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Featured Gabriel’s message to Daniel is extremely relevant

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Enoch111, Apr 16, 2020.

  1. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    The Garden was created on an 8th day. There was a 1000 year period between the first six days. The 7th day of creation kept going on for 1000 years. Then God returned and in one day planted a Garden and placed Adam in it.

    You have proof that what is currently happening not from God?

    I know the gap of time is not up to any one. When God gives commands, they happen no matter what we believe. I am here to warn people not scare them, or even change their minds. Yes, I would love to change people's minds, but I can only change my own mind.

    The interpretation of the 7 seals deals with the Lamb, the Atonement, the end of the church age, the body of Christ, who is all in the body of Christ and even the removal of the Holy Spirit which was sent solely to the church. That is why the 5th seal points to the end of the church age and the promise of Paul, in both 1Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15. The completion of the bride is complete and both the dead in Christ and those alive in Christ get their glorified bodies at almost the same time. Paul says instantly, John says a little season. How does one interpret that? The point John makes is that God on the throne and the Lamb will be be in plain sight. Paul does not mention God on the throne. John does.

    All I can go by is what the Bible says. I am just proclaiming what the Bible says. When the whole world stops working for almost 2 months, that is not normal. Especially when God says work is over. Only 6000 years were demanded. Have we gone past, gone not far enough, who knows? All I can go by is a date in 30AD and add 2000 years.

    I do accept Daniel's last week of 7 years. I also accept it as a final week, where a deal could be broken and another 3.5 years added to the 7. Satan accepted the gamble whether it happens or not, 10 years before 2030 is this year we are in. Why postpone it? One reason is we need to repent and turn from sin. We need to humble ourselves and seek God’s face. Even the Lord's prayer is more important than ever. Thy kingdom come. Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Why not pray for our glorified bodies? Do we love this world so much that it will just go on for ever?

    The church has struggled, but when times get easy, we relax and forget. God is not willing that anyone perish. So if we want God’s Will to be done, then the lost need to be told, so they can make a choice. If everyone's mind is just made up now, it will hardly change like Pharoah's heart, but they may just get harder when actual judgment comes.
     
  2. Stranger

    Stranger Well-Known Member

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    I never said what was happening was not from God. I said we are not in any of the seals spoken of in the book of (Revelation). And I said why? Do you disagree?

    Stranger
     
  3. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    Show me in Revelation 5 and 6 where the church has been raptured, the alleged anti-christ needs to be revealed, and a temple is mentioned. In fact, point out anything in the first 4 chapters that requires any of what we are being taught today. Why have so many teachings been added that are not neccessary nor spelled out any where in the Bible? Daniel and Revelation speak of a false prophet acting against what? One sacrifices a pig on an alter. There was no Christ or Messiah to counter typify that. That was the job of a priest. A false prophet proclaims there is going to be drastic change. Antiochus fulfilled his own prophecy but change was false, against God. But Satan has already sent thousands of false christs out into the world. Some the church refuted, some they embraced with open arms. There is not going to be any time given to Satan, until the Second Coming. And only if there are any humans left to deceive. That is what Revelation claims if read in order. If we keep taking verses out of order, context, and surrounding verses, they can say anything we want then to say. The kingdom is coming.

    That is the point. You all need to stop being deceived and start looking for Christ and His kingdom. No, it was not proper to do 2100 years ago, before Christ came and while He was here. There was going to be 2000 years for the church to work. So, we need to get the "kingdom of heaven is not physical" objection out of our thoughts. God says, now is the Kingdom of heaven coming!! All ages have come to an end.

    Now it is time to pray, "Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven."
    Now it is time to humble ourselves, repent, pray and seek God's face, turn from the cares of this world. Then God promises to heal our land. The harvest is ripe, souls need to hear the Gospel. Soon this halt from covid19, will pass and some normality may return, but God says sudden destruction will happen. When is the harvest best? On a clear day, or in the middle of a hurricane?
     
  4. Stranger

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    (Daniel 9:27) is clear. The anti-christ will make a covenant for one week. That is the Tribulation week. In the middle of the week or the Tribulation, he will stop the sacrifices. There must be a temple to have the sacrifices. And (Matt. 24:15) addresses that same middle of the week where the antichrist has set up the abomination of desolation in the holy place.

    The next 3 and 1/2 years will be the destruction known as the great Tribulation. (Matt. 24:21) That is when the seals found in (Rev. 6 occur.

    Show me where the Church is in (Rev. 5-6).

    Stranger
     
  5. Timtofly

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    I agree there is a he, calling it an antichrist is my disagreement. Either it is Satan or the false prophet.

    The Atonement and the Lamb's book of life is all about the church, and unsealing the Lamb's book of life deals with the last activity of the church. The 6th seal is the end, because it is no longer the church, but God on the throne and the Lamb. The whole world can see them. The church has received their glorified bodies. That is what the seals are explaining.


    An army just went all over the entire planet as a conqueror to conquer. It stopped the world and peace was declared to combat this army. It was not to kill millions of people, but to bring the world together as one. Now we have unrest and an economy that can either tank or the best ever. Seal 4 is going to drastically change the world. Then the rapture.
     
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    The anti-christ, also known as the beast, is not satan or the false prophet. But he is certainly directed by satan. See (Rev. 19:19-20).

    I have already showed you that these seals of (Rev. 6) take place during the Tribulation period. Specifically during the middle. Thus the anti-christ must be revealed at that time. The temple must be in place with all the sacrifices and ministries functioning.

    The atonement and Lambs book of life is not all about the Church. There are many saved outside of the Church. From Adam to Moses is one group. Israelites is another group. The Church is another. The Tribulation saints are another.

    Stranger
     
  7. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    You should not be making statements that contradict Scripture. God has clearly allotted 3 1/2 years (42 months, 1260 days, time, times, and half a time) to the TOTAL control of the inhabitants of the world by Satan, the Beast (the Antichrist), and the False Prophet. And this is indeed BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ.

    So read and study Revelation 13 (as well as related passages) and correct yourself.
     
  8. Timtofly

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    Yes God allotted it, that is why the opening of the seals started in 2019. Otherwise the start would have been in 2023.

    God did not guarantee it would happen. It is the church itself, which seems, all will be OK if the antichrist and Satan get their 3.5 years.

    God's Will is all come to repentance. But it starts with the church. Jonah had to preach to Nineveh. If the church does it's job, then it depends on the world. Then the church can say, "See God, we obeyed, now the whole world repented. Now we do not get the antichrist. We told you this would happen."
     
  9. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    You are seriously mistaken about these dates.
     
  10. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    I doubt the real Enoch would say that, unless Scripture is provided.
     
  11. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    If I were to provide Scriptures to refute all your false ideas, it might need an e-book. Let's just say you need to go back to prophecy 101.
     
  12. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    So it takes miles of winding roads, to refute the straight and narrow?
     
  13. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    It would help EVERYONE if you found Jesus.


    Bobby Jo
     
  14. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    You're right. And the difference is, -- you can't stand the TRUTH of Scripture! You live in the delusion of your doctrines WHICH YOU CANNOT DEFEND.

    So go your own way and receive your own reward.
    Bobby Jo
     
  15. Randy Kluth

    Randy Kluth Well-Known Member

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    Seriously, what is wrong with you?
     
  16. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    I'm concerned that you need Jesus. Why don't you let HIM fix what's wrong with YOU?!?

    Bobby Jo
     
  17. Randy Kluth

    Randy Kluth Well-Known Member

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    This seems to be a game with you, the back and forth thing. But I've seen this kind of thing before--a deep-seated anger that shows itself by constant insults directed at others, whether deserved or not. That isn't typically what Christians do.
     
  18. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, NOT.


    To All,
    People make blanket assertions on some specifics, but can't explain ANYTHING ELSE in the context of the passages. For example, I haven't found a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL who can explain why Rev. 12 says SEVEN DIADEMS, but Rev. 13 says TEN DIADEMS.

    These ignoramuses purport all kinds of assertions when they can't even solve a BASIC PREMISE.

    Whew,
    Bobby Jo
     
  19. Bobby Jo

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    Are you lonely? Do you need attention? -- Go find it in Jesus.

    Now IGNORED!
    Bobby Jo
     
  20. Randy Kluth

    Randy Kluth Well-Known Member

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    Are you on this website just to make other believers miserable. You certainly aren't edifying!
     
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