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  1. H. Richard

    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
    2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

    Note: In the above we see Paul exhorting his followers to resist going back under the law. Since we have been set free from the law we are not to go back under the bondage of the law.

    5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. ---- Note: Not man’s love but through God’s love.

    7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
    8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.
    9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
    10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
    11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.

    Note: Paul is saying that if he is still preaching the law why does he suffer from the Judizers. The offense of the cross (verse 11) is that it does away with the Jewish law and substitutes grace. To this fact the Jews take offense.

    12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!
    13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

    Note: Paul confirms that we are under liberty. However he exhorts us to love our neighbor as ourselves.

    14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
    15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
    16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
    17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

    Note: Paul has said that they can not do the things that they wish. So then walking in the Spirit is not trying to keep the law by not sinning.

    18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

    Note: If we are placing our belief, faith, trust and confidence in Jesus’ shed blood we are not under the law. There is only two conditions that apply to man today, either he/she is under the law of sin or they have been set free.

    19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
    20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
    21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Note: this is a condemnation of the flesh and confirmation that flesh shall not enter heaven.

    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
    23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
    24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
    25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
    26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
    NKJV

    Note: If we are walking with our faith in Jesus’ work on the cross then we have crucified the flesh because we no longer place our faith in what it can do but in what God has already done.

    Many will say that verses 19-21 condemns everyone that commits those sins. But if that is true then it contradicts verses 1-18 which clearly show that the believer is not under the law of works.

    I am convinced that walking in the spirit is walking with faith in Jesus’ work on the cross.
     
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  2. Ernest T. Bass

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    So your position is that the Christian can do these works of the flesh (adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like) and still be unconditionally saved anyway??!?!?!
     
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    That's unfortunate. You are making 2 options...either we are to be Jews under the Mosaic law....or walking in the Spirit.

    1. Nobody advocates being under the law of Moses...nobody is trying to be a Jew.

    2. You vastly underestimate what walking in the Spirit really is. Nobody walks in the Spirit and continues to sin.
     
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    Hi, blessed are you!!!

    For you are on track and correct. And the proof, that you are on track and correct, is the proof the scripture puts forth;

    “Having begun in the Spirit”

    By this we see that whatever the Galatians did at first, was,

    “in the Spirit”

    So all one would have to figure out is what the Galatians did at first, and that would be what “in the Spirit” meant. And than a continuation of that would be “walking in the Spirit”

    So what did the Galatians do at first?

    They simply believed, they had faith.

    So yes my fellow laborer in Christ you are learning well and your relationship with Christ is teaching you these things.

    Blessed are you for the increase.

    Much love in Christ, Not me
     
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    1 Cor 1:27-31
    27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
    28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
    29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
    30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God — and righteousness and sanctification and redemption —
    31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."
    NKJV
     
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    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    Since, according to scriptures, all men/women sin in the flesh then you are telling everyone that God is a liar. Make no mistake. You sin just like everyone else.
     
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    I have sinned...yes. All have sinned. But the gospel is the liberation from sin...and a reconciliation with a holy God.

    But you are speaking of a worldview that doesn't include Christ. You only see Him as your own holy Victim for your sins.

    But the good news is that He is RISEN! And He gives us His resurrection life so we can walk in the same way that He did....so we can put on Christ and be as He is in this world.

    But one needs to believe that Jesus is both alive AND available to be entered into. Not just in a religious way...but in a real way.

    So you are always leaving Jesus out of your equation. You make it so that it's always about what you can do without God. A constant defeat. But you won't listen to what brings victory. You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.

    I can do ALL things through Christ who empowers me by His resurrection grace and life. Through Him I have the same victory He did.

    1 John 2:14 "I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one."

    So then my testimony is true and biblical. You are trying to divorce Jesus Christ from the victory He died and was resurrected to bring His people so that they might overcome as He overcame.

    Turn your heart and mind to the Lord.

    Jesus is more than a holy victim...He is alive. Seek Him and live.
     
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    Good to be reminded not to go back into legal bondage. Galatians is a very helpful and clarifying Epistle in this respect.
     
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    Yes it is. Continue to read, study, whatsoever your relationship with Christ is drawing you to.

    For you have the witness of the Spirit in you. For that It is your faith and your desire towards God that is your life before Him. Keep feeding your one and one relationship with Him and that relationship will bring you into such a joy and such a knowledge of the Holy One your heart will be in a state of continual joy over the Salvation we have in Christ.

    Many Blessings,

    Much love in Christ, Not me
     
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    I see nothing in 1 Cor 1:27-31 that gives the Christian a license to sin making God's grace cheap.
     
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    What Episkopos said that you're underestimating what walking in The Spirit is, is very true.

    Apostle Paul in Gal.5 presented a condition between doing the works of the flesh vs. works of The Spirit. It is IF... we walk by The Spirit then we are dead to the law. Paul didn't say if... we believe on Jesus only, then we are dead to the law.

    Gal 5:16-18
    16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulful the lust of the flesh.


    17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

    18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

    KJV


    Paul didn't say there to just 'believe on Jesus', and then you are not under the law.
     
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    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    Neither have I. It seems that what is misunderstood is that a child of God does not "believe ON Jesus'. They believe "IN" His work on the cross where He paid for all the sins of the world. If a person does not believe in His work on the cross then they are not saved

    The gospel of grace is very simple. Jesus did what mankind could not do. He (GOD) paid for the sins of everyone. Those that do not believe this will die in un-belief. They refuse to believe IN what Jesus did on the cross.

    But this is foolishness to the un-believer. I believe what I wrote in the OP. Sorry some do not.
     
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    Let's look back at something you said about Paul's teaching in Gal.5 ...

    Richard said:
    "I am convinced that walking in the spirit is walking with faith in Jesus’ work on the cross."


    Apostle Paul was more specific as to how he meant 'walking in the Spirit'. He linked it with doing the good fruits list of Galatians 5:22-24 in contrast with the fruits of the flesh in Galatians 5:19-21.

    He didn't assign it to a philosophy of faith like you did. What exactly is that anyway, "walking with faith in Jesus"? Did Paul anywhere teach that as long as we have faith in Jesus, then future sin doesn't matter? No, Paul didn't teach that. Your philosophy has instead laid the latter part of Paul's Message in Galatians 5 to waste.
     
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    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    REALLY ????!!!!
     
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    Davy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, really.

    Apostle Paul's teaching in Galatians 5 about walking in The Spirit is about our deeds, i.e., what we do in following Christ. It is not just about our faith in Jesus.
     
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    But that is not what Paul was saying in Galatians 5. He clearly distinguished between what it is to walk in the flesh and walk in the Spirit. Which is A RESULT of believing in the finished work of Christ. So you are confusing the cause with the result.

    WALKING IN THE FLESH = SINNING
    1. Adultery
    2. fornication
    3. uncleanness
    4. lasciviousness
    5. Idolatry
    6. witchcraft
    7. hatred
    8. variance
    9. emulations
    10. wrath
    11. strife
    12. seditions
    13. heresies
    14. Envyings
    15. murders
    16. drunkenness
    17. revellings
    18. and such like
    WALKING IN THE SPIRIT = DISPLAYING THE CHARACTER OF CHRIST
    1. love
    2. joy
    3. peace
    4. longsuffering
    5. gentleness
    6. goodness
    7. faith
    8. meekness
    9. temperance
     
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    No where in my writings have I condoned sin. Just because I believe the gospel of God's grace does not mean I love to sin or that I am making excuses to sin. The religious just want to find something to accuse me of.

    What I see is that in my flesh there is sinfulness. I need for God to save me from this body of sin and He has done that by paying for all of it's sins.

    If a person thinks they no longer sin in the flesh then that person will no longer feel the need for what Jesus did on the cross. This is the condition of those that think they no longer sin in the flesh.
     
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    yes, youre such a victim huh HR, everyone is out to get you, right. So keep your warped version of salvation, and your sacrifice to appease an Angry God, bro, bc that is what you want, youve been a bad boy huh.

    when you are accused of something--not you HR, not that youre reading anyway i guess--you better be prepared to give a reason for the hope that is in you, unlike that hypocrite, ok, who will boldly profess that he can teach whatever he wants and does not owe anyone any explanations, which is btw right out of Alister Crowley, ok, i should prolly go dig it up and quote it, its in The Prince too yall
     
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    I got this far and I see the word "YOU". So here goes, " you are confusing Gal. 5 with your interpretations of Gal. 5
     
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    Aleister Crowley?
     
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