gay christians?

[Dan Clarkston]

Define homosexuality. What do you mean?

That would be people that like to bonk others of the same sex they are.

Surely this was not a serious question was it?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So, the heresy of "universal" salvation (everyone is already saved). is just one more lie of the Devil, taught by people who are led of Him.

I never said or implied everyone was saved.

Just the ones that accept what Jesus did and pray the sinners prayer in faith

So much for forgiveness...

If he is a Christian, isn't all his future sins forgiven too?

Or is this only for some people?

Sometimes it sounds like some Christians think they are forgiven but other Christians are not if of course they disagree with them

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

No one is born with same sex attraction. That's a repeated lie by the homosexual activists...one science has NEVER confirmed....because it is simply not possible.

True.
My wife works with a man who has told her he is gay by choice. He'd been sexually abused by female family members as a child and into his early teens.

Keeping this G rated, the reason he chose to be gay is because he cannot engage with women sexually do to his rape PTSD.

High testosterone levels for women or high estrogen levels for men are a result of an endocrine disorder. It's called PCOS in women....I can't remember the name for the men's endocrine disorder. But diabetes and thyroid problems are also customary for these people.

AES aromatase excess syndrome?

Gender dysphoria is usually the result of some sort of trauma as a child or young adult but can be as an older adult also experiencing trauma. Which brings up the point of several highly intelligent psychologists that have repeatedly demonstrated and explained ad-nauseum how feeding into a person's trauma by endorsing their mental illness is the worst thing the psychiatric community can do. And that its only happening because its just because it's politically popular at the moment. Some people with a sexual fetish have been labeled with gender dysphoria...it's out of control in the mental health community. Along the lines of creating an opiate addiction for someone with a broken leg so they stop feeling the pain.

I think homosexuality is linked to an overabundance of estrogen or testosterone hormones in lesbians and gay males respectively.

 

[PossibleThrowawayAccount]

Since all sins are already forgiven past present and future, why do so many Christians say people that are gay cannot be saved?

Gay Christians are saved just like everyone else who believes in Jesus. I think a lot of Christians choose to target gays and lesbians because they too afraid to go after people who are actually sinful such as atheists, murderers, and evil priests. They see gays as weaker so they choose to pick on them.

A lot pick and choose parts of the Bible to believe in because it fits their opinions, others read mistranslations which say gays go to Hell (the New King James Version for example, which in doing so breaks the rule of altering the book of Revelations). People incorrectly think that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexuality because they wanted to lie with the angels, but it was more likely that their sin was rape. Would the angels have willingly slept with Sodom and Gomorrah's men had Lot not intervened?

There are a lot of Christians in the world who like to believe they are the only ones holy enough to go to Heaven so they like to make everyone else out to be evil and make sin more serious than it actually is.

There is a huge chance that the pais (servant) Jesus healed was in a gay relationship with the centurion, yet did the Lord say "lol no u r a homo"? No, instead he blessed them. A lot of Christians either do not know or outright refuse to acknowledge that the early church, likely including those who personally knew Jesus while he was on earth, performed binding ceremonies (though not as legally binding as traditional marriage) for male couples.

There was the saints Sergius and Bacchus who were gay martyrs though homophobes like to say they were just close friends.

Christianity mainly became homophobic by rulers who made it a state religion.

 

[JBO]

Since all sins are already forgiven past present and future, why do so many Christians say people that are gay cannot be saved?

I went to school with a few people that were gay and they said they were Christians.

What you are is not a sin. What you do may well be. To be a homosexual, i.e., sexually attracted to the same sex, is not a sin. Engaging in homosexual activities is.

To be sexually attracted to someone other than your spouse is not a sin. To engage in sexual activity with someone other than your spouse is.

 

[Ziggy]

1Co 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Isa 55:7
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Rom 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Gal 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Gal 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Jas 5:20
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

 

[St. SteVen]

I really don't care what anyone says other than God. Man's word is cheap. Jesus is the living word of God. It's not hiding my head in the sand...I simply believe God over and above anyone else.
Just saying....

Have you seen this topic?

Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Define homosexuality. What do you mean?

That would be people that like to bonk others of the same sex they are.

Surely this was not a serious question was it?

Yes, very serious.
Oftentimes Christians are in error about even defining the term.
They consider every aspect of LGBTQ+ to be homosexuality.

WWJD with LGBTQ?

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[Ezra]

Since all sins are already forgiven past present and future, why do so many Christians say people that are gay cannot be saved?

I went to school with a few people that were gay and they said they were Christians.

they CAN be saved and there are many who use to be gay who are now saved anyone can be saved there has to be a change.. see there is no such thing as a gay Christian , that is not repentance

 

[JohnDB]

Have you seen this topic?

Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

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Yes and that's not what is going on here.

I use God's words to answer questions. I know what God has said because it's important....the Bible may be a modern day miracle but that in no way means I worship the book over and above the Author. I hang on every word God says because He said it for our benefit...not His.
Just like Jesus was Crucified for our benefit. I value every little thing God has done for us.
I happen to love God with everything within me. YMMV

You might not like everything God has said and done...and that's on you. You are the one who will have to explain yourself to God later. I already have plenty to answer for without telling God that I doubted and disregarded what He has said because I didn't like it. (Adam and Eve's sin)

I've also matured enough to know that kids make excuses and blame shift and try to poke holes in commands...adults find solutions and simply follow orders...agaIn YMMV .

 

[JohnDB]

True.
My wife works with a man who has told her he is gay by choice. He'd been sexually abused by female family members as a child and into his early teens.

Keeping this G rated, the reason he chose to be gay is because he cannot engage with women sexually do to his rape PTSD.

AES aromatase excess syndrome?

I think homosexuality is linked to an overabundance of estrogen or testosterone hormones in lesbians and gay males respectively.

Most studies done have suggested that the increases in gender swapping hormones is due to behavior and not so much naturally occurring disease. IOW your body reacts AFTER your behavior induces a change.

No proof yet but with Covid being an endocrine disease the answers are coming. Just not completed yet. The endocrine system is being studied a LOT lately....many studies being performed as we speak.

 

[Behold]

What you are is not a sin. What you do may well be. To be a homosexual, i.e., sexually attracted to the same sex, is not a sin. Engaging in homosexual activities is.

As usual, ive noticed that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Listen, the desire in the heart to commit a carnal deed, is the DEED committed.

You commit this in your heart, before you do it with your body.

So, for example, an unbeliever who is paralyzed from the NECK DOWN... .can't move their body...
They can lay in bed all day and night sinning , because they are doing the deed in their head.

Jesus said if you "LOOK upon the thing with LUST, you have committed it"...


Its the LUST that is the deed done, before your body is USED to do it.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes and that's not what is going on here.

I use God's words to answer questions. I know what God has said because it's important....the Bible may be a modern day miracle but that in no way means I worship the book over and above the Author. I hang on every word God says because He said it for our benefit...not His.
Just like Jesus was Crucified for our benefit. I value every little thing God has done for us.
I happen to love God with everything within me. YMMV

That's a relief, thanks.
What does "YMMV" stand for?

You might not like everything God has said and done...and that's on you. You are the one who will have to explain yourself to God later. I already have plenty to answer for without telling God that I doubted and disregarded what He has said because I didn't like it. (Adam and Eve's sin)

Fair enough.
If I'm wrong I will have to apologize for having such high regard for his character.
For defending his good name against what I consider to be slander against him.
Good parents don't incinerate their children as a correction for misbehaving.

Even the biblical prescriptive of beating your children to near death is understood as child abuse today.
Who do you choose to believe in that case? The Bible, or the Child Protection Agency?

Proverbs 23:13 KJV
Withhold not correction from the child:
for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

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[JBO]

As usual, ive noticed that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Says the pot calling the kettle black....

 

[Shittim]

Are you a sodomite?

Who would have ever thought it?

Sodomite Christians.

sounds similar to "Unrepentant Christians", an oxymoron

 

[Behold]

Says the pot calling the kettle black....

This is you trying to be clever?

Failed again.
And will fail the next time, as that is always the fate of Religious Forum Trolls.

 

[JBO]

This is you trying to be clever?

No, just telling it like I see it.

 

[JohnDB]

That's a relief, thanks.
What does "YMMV" stand for?


Fair enough.
If I'm wrong I will have to apologize for having such high regard for his character.
For defending his good name against what I consider to be slander against him.
Good parents don't incinerate their children as a correction for misbehaving.

Even the biblical prescriptive of beating your children to near death is understood as child abuse today.
Who do you choose to believe in that case? The Bible, or the Child Protection Agency?

Proverbs 23:13 KJV
Withhold not correction from the child:
for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

/

Violence is what got the world flooded...Noah and his ark. (I currently have no boat)

Discipline is not just about negative consequences for negative behaviors....it's a complete system of encouraging positive behaviors and of course rewards for doing them. That includes words of encouragement and affirmation. If you only beat your kids when they do wrong but otherwise ignore them....that's going to create problem children who are mostly miserable people in EVERY aspect of life.

YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary.

 

[Behold]

No, just telling it like I see it.

We dont really appreciate your opinions as your water cult religion..
Can't say the same for you.

 

[JBO]

We dont really appreciate your opinions as your water cult religion..
Can't say the same for you.

You think this entire forum is "we"? That is either stupid, narcissistic, egocentric, or all three.