ScottA
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You were not talking about Taken, but about me. Keep it straight, or we will have to assume you are not all together.
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I was asking you if you agreed with @Taken or not. You replied with a tap dance. That’s fine, but I was just looking for a simple yes or no.
Is that the royal “we” (plural of majesty) or do you have a club?
ScottA
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Yes or No.
There, you have my answer. But there is no "maybe" in that. It is one or the other, depending. Understand?
RLT63
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I think the problem comes in trying to define everything. We all agree there is a God. That's a lot better than the other forum I'm on. We all agree Jesus is the Son of God, he died for our sins and rose again on the third day, was seen by many witnesses, ascended to Heaven and is at the right hand of the Father. Do we agree on those things? Acts 7:55
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Words have meaning. Without agreed upon definition, words could mean anything, everything and virtually nothing at all.
If we agree on the definition / meaning of the words used, yes.
What if we left it at that? Could we do it? Should we do it?
RLT63
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Words have meaning. You can't define God. You can't explain God. He is not limited by our understanding of him. He is so much more, more than we can understand, more than we can explain and more than we can define.
It also says that man had become as them.
Genesis 3 (KJV)
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²² And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
²³ Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Until we strip them of customary, mutually agreed upon, definition. Once that’s destroyed, we enter into the “what in the wide, wide world of sports is a goin’ on here?” arena of our modern day culture - “What is a woman?” - a large and growing segment of our society doesn’t think it means what it customarily means. Chaos and confusion reigns in this madness.
Do you define “God” as “the Trinity”? Does anyone? Does everyone?
What does “Trinity” mean? There was a time when it was well defined. Those days are gone whenever and where ever the definition provided by historical orthodox trinitarianism is rejected.
If that’s true then why do we even talk about God?
What if God has explained himself in scripture to the extent that we presently need to know?
I’m willing to agree to never so much as mention the word “Trinity” again in our conversations - to remove it completely from our respective vocabularies - are you?
Could we still effectively communicate with one another if we did?
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RLT63
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God reveals himself. He revealed himself to Moses and revealed things to the prophets. Talking about him is not enough to win people over. You have to show people. They have to want what you have. Being able to talk about God is not enough
Yes. What is your definition of “a prophet”?
One question. What do you have to show people?
One question unrelated to this post of yours. Does this mean that we will be keeping “Trinity” in our vocabulary?
RLT63
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I don't think anyone has everything right and knows everything about God. I don't agree with everything taught at my Church. One day I think we are all going to find out we were wrong about some things.
RLT63
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You have to show people God is real in your life. How do you treat people? Do you help people? Is there any evidence that you practice what you preach? Are you any different than anyone else? Is there something about you that they would like to have? As far the Trinity look at our conversations. How many times have I used that word compared to how many times you have used it? There's nothing wrong with our conversations I just think knowing how to get saved and living your life as an example is more important than knowing every detail about something we are incapable of understanding.
Thanks.
Some of the finest people I’ve ever encountered in that regard weren’t Christian, and didn’t claim to be.
Test the spirits. A lot has to go into that.
You’re unique in my experience. It’s not an exaggeration to say that I’ve never met a trinitarian who used the word as seldom as you do.
Got it. Steady as she goes.
RLT63
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I’m certain of that.
I don’t know about that but I’ll take your word for it. I learned most of what I know about the Bible from trinitarian mentors.
There’s a very nice member of this forum who informed me this evening that I lack reading comprehension. I’m confident that reading comprehension wasn’t an issue for your mentors.
I don’t think it’s an either or situation but, rather, both; and even then it’s not enough.
From the 2022 State of Theology study, sponsored by Ligonier Ministries -
“Despite a majority of Americans affirming a Trinitarian God with three divine persons, most still aren’t sure how that applies to Jesus or the Holy Spirit. Slightly more than half (55%) believe Jesus is the first and greatest created being. Another 53% say He was a great teacher but not God. Close to 3 in 5 (59%) believe the Holy Spirit is a force but not a personal being.”
'Jesus Was Created, God Not Perfect' - Sobering New Study: Americans Hold Many More Biblically-Inaccurate Views
Correct.
I know Matthias you and I are not in agreement regarding every point.
Also Correct.
Most people are not in agreement on every fine Point.
Also Correct.
It is The Big Picture God Requires men to be in Agreement with God.
* Belief...in the Lord God Almighty IS God....= WITH God.
* Heartful Confessed Belief...= God WITH that man eternally.
Glory to God,
Taken
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