God commands disobedience to his word

[BreadOfLife]

From Catholic Answers, April 1,2000, by Jimmy Akin:

"Over time, a distinction came to be made between excommunication and anathema. The precise nature of the distinction varied but eventually became fixed. By the time of Gregory IX (1370–1378), the term anathema was used to describe a major excommunication that was performed with a solemn pontifical ceremony. This customarily involved the ringing of a bell, the closing of a book, and the snuffing out of candles, collectively signifying that the highest ecclesiastical court had spoken and would not reconsider the matter until the individual gave evidence of repentance.

Such solemnities have been rare in Church history. They remained on the books, however, as late as the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which provided that, "Excommunication . . . is called anathema especially when it is imposed with the solemnities that are described in the Roman Pontifical" (CIC [1917] 2257 §§ 1–2).

Yet the penalty was used so seldom that it was removed from the 1983 Code of Canon Law. This means that today the penalty of anathema does not exist in Church law. The new Code provided that, "When this Code goes into effect, the following are abrogated: 1º the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917 . . . 3º any universal or particular penal laws whatsoever issued by the Apostolic See, unless they are contained in this Code" (CIC [1983] 6 §1). The penalty of anathema was not renewed in the new Code, and thus it was abrogated when the Code went into effect on January 1, 1983."

I stand corrected. I was speaking of formal excommunication and conflated the penalty of anathema with it - although excommunication and anathema are similar. Like excommunication, anathemas could on;ly be incurred by Catholics.

 

[DPMartin]

I chronically hear Christians say that God would never command people to go against his word... I really can't believe people that know scripture hold on to that belief... it's easily proven False yet the myth remains strangely prevalent.

God says thou shall not kill and then orders the Israelites to kill many people including women, children, and babies that were without sin.

Here is an example:
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

Numbers 21:9 ►
So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

God commanded Moses to do the exact opposite of what he formerly commanded.
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Not to mention, it looks a bit satanic.

God can do whatever he wants to.

God can and has had people do the opposite of what scripture says. The first Christians did the opposite of what the Mosaic law commands. Yet Jesus said he came not to abolish the law or remove one word from the law. God changes his mind a lot

So, if the a church does something that the Bible says not to do, who knows if it was actually inspired by God? Since God has a reputation for commanding people to go against his word, I wouldn't put it past him to be responsible for the decisions of church councils

The Bible alone Doctrine is built on a premise that blows itself up! The Bible alone is all that is needed to prove that the Bible alone is not the sole rule of sacred theology! Ouch!

I love you all it's just I constantly hear Christians calling other Christians pagan based on a "Bible alone" premise, and I seek unity and tolerance among Christians. That's all!

nope, sorry, your off base on this one, for example your example the Lord gives a law a covenant (a agreement) to establish, not a religion, but a nation.



Gen 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. 11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;


Exo_19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

so seeing you don't understand kingdoms nations and kings of which the Lord is King of Israel, you don't seem to get the simple principal that the King has the right to supersede the law. no one in the US you are from is allowed to kill unless they are ordered to by their appropriate commander to do so. hence the government has the right to supersede another law given.

ten commandments in this case, is standing orders or law in general unless told by the Lord King to do otherwise. religion and religious concepts have absolutely nothing to do with it. so your wrong, incorrect. because they did do as God commands. simple, do this unless told to do otherwise, and then return to doing this when done with that.

there is absolutely no disobedience in that.

 

[michaelvpardo]

How old are you, MP??
Just curious.

61 an about 11 more than I ever imagined I would be. I know things are changing in the Roman Catholic church and many things for the better, but I don't believe unity in the body of Christ is served by dogma or by "traditions" contrary to the teaching of Jesus Christ and never will.