God does not have a timeline.

[Ronald D Milam]

Yes, so... And I am speaking of the FALL feasts.... Like I said we are the wheat, not the figs. What comes immediately after summer? Fall. When Did Israel become a nation again..... We are living in the fig tree generation of 70-80 years.

The fig tree parable is not about Israel, its about the Rapture or Second Coming, I think it is the Second Coming and for the Jews only, we see the Rapture later in verses 36-51. Lets go over this carefully, Jesus says that the SIGNS point unto this, WHAT SIGNS? Well, the signs he just gave us in Matt. 24:4-31. I will just paraphrase those 10-12 signs.

1.) The Temples destruction.
2.) False christs
3.) Wars & rumors of wars via 70 AD
4.) The Church Age Birth pangs, ethos against ethos, kingdom vs. kingdom, Pestilences and Earthquakes which get worse and worse and more frequent (like child birth pangs do) until the 70th week comes.
5.) The Disciples were delivered up to be killed or Martyred.
6.) false prophets of Zeus, Jupiter etc. etc. arose making this come to pass because the Gospel was taking their patrons away. Thus they got Rome to kill these great men of God(Disciples), as Jesus foretold them.
7.) The Gospel of the kingdom would be preached into all he world THEN the End (70th week) comes.
8.) The AoD happens and the Jews flee Judea in verse 15.
9.) The Jews flee Judea in verse 17-20.
10.) In verses 21 & 22 we see great tribulation like never before.
11.) We see THE Anti-Christ and THE False Prophet in verse 24.
12.) We see the Sun & Moon go dark.

Now, seeing these signs lets look at what the parable of the fig tree really means. SEE IT NOW?

Matt. 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

How can we miss what this means, its simplicity at its finest. Jesus gives us 10-12 signs, THEN he says to them, listen guys, learn the parable of the fig tree, when the branches shoot forth their leaves you know that summer is near [right}? So......LIKEWISE......meaning he is comparing the fig tree to the SIGNS he just gave them !! He's saying, hey, everyone understands this, when a fig trees shoots forth its leaves/buds, we all know summer is near so LIKEWISE......when you see ALL OF THESE THINGS, you know it is near. What is near? Well, what question did they ask in verse 3? When will these things happen (temples destruction) and what are the SIGNS of your coming AND the End of the World !!

In verse 34 Jesus says, Truly I tell you, this Generation (who sees all of these things) will not pass till these things be fulfilled. So, in essence Jesus just showed us about 12 signs and THE GENERATION who sees all of these things must see the Sun & Moon go dark(its the last sign) because of this Asteroid Impact. That generation living at that time will see Jesus' return, you know why, because that happens in the exact middle of the week meaning Jesus will return1260 days later !! Amen.

So, basically, anyone saying this fig tree parable is all about Israel's rebirth as a nation, can not comprehend this passage very well. Its a juxtaposition to the Second Coming of Jesus for the Jews living during the 70th week. He gives them all of the signs that MUST PASS before he returns, then in verse 31 he returns !! Bada Bing.

 

[The Light]

The fig tree parable is not about Israel, its about the Rapture or Second Coming, I think it is the Second Coming and for the Jews only, we see the Rapture later in verses 36-51. Lets go over this carefully, Jesus says that the SIGNS point unto this, WHAT SIGNS? Well, the signs he just gave us in Matt. 24:4-31. I will just paraphrase those 10-12 signs.

1.) The Temples destruction.
2.) False christs
3.) Wars & rumors of wars via 70 AD
4.) The Church Age Birth pangs, ethos against ethos, kingdom vs. kingdom, Pestilences and Earthquakes which get worse and worse and more frequent (like child birth pangs do) until the 70th week comes.
5.) The Disciples were delivered up to be killed or Martyred.
6.) false prophets of Zeus, Jupiter etc. etc. arose making this come to pass because the Gospel was taking their patrons away. Thus they got Rome to kill these great men of God(Disciples), as Jesus foretold them.
7.) The Gospel of the kingdom would be preached into all he world THEN the End (70th week) comes.
8.) The AoD happens and the Jews flee Judea in verse 15.
9.) The Jews flee Judea in verse 17-20.
10.) In verses 21 & 22 we see great tribulation like never before.
11.) We see THE Anti-Christ and THE False Prophet in verse 24.
12.) We see the Sun & Moon go dark.

Now, seeing these signs lets look at what the parable of the fig tree really means. SEE IT NOW?

Matt. 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

How can we miss what this means, its simplicity at its finest. Jesus gives us 10-12 signs, THEN he says to them, listen guys, learn the parable of the fig tree, when the branches shoot forth their leaves you know that summer is near [right}? So......LIKEWISE......meaning he is comparing the fig tree to the SIGNS he just gave them !! He's saying, hey, everyone understands this, when a fig trees shoots forth its leaves/buds, we all know summer is near so LIKEWISE......when you see ALL OF THESE THINGS, you know it is near. What is near? Well, what question did they ask in verse 3? When will these things happen (temples destruction) and what are the SIGNS of your coming AND the End of the World !!

In verse 34 Jesus says, Truly I tell you, this Generation (who sees all of these things) will not pass till these things be fulfilled. So, in essence Jesus just showed us about 12 signs and THE GENERATION who sees all of these things must see the Sun & Moon go dark(its the last sign) because of this Asteroid Impact. That generation living at that time will see Jesus' return, you know why, because that happens in the exact middle of the week meaning Jesus will return1260 days later !! Amen.

So, basically, anyone saying this fig tree parable is all about Israel's rebirth as a nation, can not comprehend this passage very well. Its a juxtaposition to the Second Coming of Jesus for the Jews living during the 70th week. He gives them all of the signs that MUST PASS before he returns, then in verse 31 he returns !! Bada Bing.

1.) The Temples destruction. (HAS NOT OCCURRED YET)
2.) False christs (HAS NOT OCCURRED YET)
3.) Wars & rumors of wars via 70 AD (HAS NOT OCCURRED YET)
4.) The Church Age Birth pangs, ethos against ethos, kingdom vs. kingdom, Pestilences and Earthquakes which get worse and worse and more frequent (like child birth pangs do) until the 70th week comes. (IS NOT THE CHURCH AGE, SO THIS HAS NOT OCCURRED)
5.) The Disciples were delivered up to be killed or Martyred. (THIS IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DISCIPLES
6.) false prophets of Zeus, Jupiter etc. etc. arose making this come to pass because the Gospel was taking their patrons away. Thus they got Rome to kill these great men of God(Disciples), as Jesus foretold them. (HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZEUS)
7.) The Gospel of the kingdom would be preached into all he world THEN the End (70th week) comes. (70TH WEEK BEGINS WHEN THE SEALS ARE OPENED)
8.) The AoD happens and the Jews flee Judea in verse 15. (FUTURE EVENT. MAYBE YOU GOT ONE)
9.) The Jews flee Judea in verse 17-20. (BINGO)
10.) In verses 21 & 22 we see great tribulation like never before. (BINGO)

 

[Ronald D Milam]

1.) The Temples destruction. (HAS NOT OCCURRED YET)

You are like a bad dream, you keep showing up with bad info.

The Temple is destroyed, everyone but you and a few understands the Temple IS NOT the Gentiles Outer Court. And I will not even debate it any further, because it is nonsensical.

2.) False christs (HAS NOT OCCURRED YET)

Verses 4-6 was about 70 AD. Of course you can't understand that, because you really have no clue about prophetic things. In John 5:43 Jesus was speaking to who? The Pharisees, do they still live? LOL No.

Now, since you wanted to get into my convo with someone else, why not answer the point the reply was about. You accidently got the Pre Trib Rapture right, but a clock is right twice a day.

 

[Timtofly]

You are like a bad dream, you keep showing up with bad info.

The Temple is destroyed, everyone but you and a few understands the Temple IS NOT the Gentiles Outer Court. And I will not even debate it any further, because it is nonsensical.

Verses 4-6 was about 70 AD. Of course you can't understand that, because you really have no clue about prophetic things. In John 5:43 Jesus was speaking to who? The Pharisees, do they still live? LOL No.

Now, since you wanted to get into my convo with someone else, why not answer the point the reply was about. You accidently got the Pre Trib Rapture right, but a clock is right twice a day.

You miss the whole point Paul gives why the resurrection was not missed by those still alive after the Cross. For one thing, they had to still die physically to even be physically resurrected, duh.

The Second Coming is for Israel, duh.

The church just gets taken out of the way, so that Jesus can do His job as King of Israel, and the angels can do their job, ripping souls out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

So those first century readers concerned about being left behind, are as foolish as all those post trib people feeling left behind, and then declaring they don't mind as they will just endure and wait in caves for it to be over.

Blindness was given to Israel, not deception. It would be harder for them to repent by faith, instead of keeping the law, which no one could do anyways. But that blindness will be removed at the Second Coming and they will see their pierced Messiah as King.

It will then be the apostate church who will continue to claim their Jesus and their salvation that Israel is warned about. They now have their King, don't fall for apostate theology claiming false Messiahs. Now what about those post Christians who peddle their human theology? They will read about those 7 Thunders in the newspaper headlines, if Satan can get any presses up and running. The house of Jacob are told to avoid all those post trib Christians. When one has the real thing, why settle for fake?

Now I don't think God is going to leave any one currently saved behind, who claim we have to go through this trouble with Israel, solely on the fact they are post trib. But the difference in audience between Jesus and Paul, should explain why the church is not here after the 6th Seal. The Olivet Discourse was not given to the church, but to Israel. Paul's account was given to the church, and Paul made a distinction between Israel and the church. Paul said that Israel would be blind in part until the Second Coming. In part because Israel could freely partake in the church and body of Christ, not that the church replaced Israel. Since the Second Coming is for Israel, not the church, many get confused on this point. Once Jesus is on earth, the church will not be. Jesus is not coming to help out the church. Jesus is coming to remove the blindness of Israel.

So yes, the fig tree is about Israel, not the church. The church blooms in Paradise in heaven, that city of faith in Hebrews 11. Israel is a peculiar people out of those who are alive on the earth. The fig tree blooms on the earth.

There will only be righteous people without sin during the Millennium. The church is redundant. The Millennium is not about Salvation by faith. It is about obedience under the rule of Christ. The final harvest is the firstfruits of the Millennium, the sheep and the wheat is this final harvest along with the 144k disciples of King Jesus.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

You miss the whole point Paul gives why the resurrection was not missed by those still alive after the Cross. For one thing, they had to still die physically to even be physically resurrected, duh.

Might help if you point to the passage you are citing, there are a few where he speaks of the pre trib rapture. And, no, they do not have to all physically die, before the Rapture because some are changed at the Rapture, which indeed means they change from flesh body to a spirit man to go be with the Lord, so they die after they are called, or CHANGE.

The Second Coming is for Israel, duh.

No kidding, BUT............AND for those Gentiles who came to Christ during the 70th week and somehow dodged the Beasts Martyrdom of all Christians, who are not protected by God like the Jews are in the Petra/Bozrah area. Only the Pre Trib Raptured Church does not go through the 70th week troubles.

The church just gets taken out of the way, so that Jesus can do His job as King of Israel, and the angels can do their job, ripping souls out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

The Church is going to Heaven Pre Trib to Marry Jesus, of course, those who rule with Jesus in Rev. 20:4 by not taking the Mark of the Beast are the Gentile Remnant Church spoken about in Rev. 12:17, they get Martyred, the Jews get PROTECTED and go into the New Millineum as Human Beings in order to repopulate the Kingdom Age. The Martyrs or Gentiles who refused the Mark of the Beast rule with Christ for 1000 years but they have Glorious Bodies, those Pre Trib Raptured Church never get tempted with the Mark of the Beast nor did those who died in Christ up until now, so, by READING CAREFULLY, we can see that we (Pre Trib Raptured Church) must go back to Heaven, Jesus doesn't need billions down here with Glorious Bodies to help keep order !! So, the Martyrs (Gentile Remnant Church who comes to Christ during the 70th week) are on earth during the 1000 years, not taken out of the way.

So those first century readers concerned about being left behind, are as foolish as all those post trib people feeling left behind, and then declaring they don't mind as they will just endure and wait in caves for it to be over.

I do not see any post trib people in the bible saying this, if you mean post tribbers in general today, they just do not understand scriptures, sadly.

Blindness was given to Israel, not deception. It would be harder for them to repent by faith, instead of keeping the law, which no one could do anyways. But that blindness will be removed at the Second Coming and they will see their pierced Messiah as King.

It doesn't even really mean that, God does not blind people per se, they blind themselves by serving false gods or serving their own self interests over God. An example would be the USA, we have many, many Christians, but we recently have moved passed the lexicon, we are now a BLINDED NATION, that is why grown men dress like women and society pushes it, pushes homosexual marriage, abortion on demand, ewe are BLINDED just like Israel, fir God not to punish us we would have to repent as a Nation, like Nineveh did, we wont, so the Pre Trib Rapture will take us home soon instead, remember, God told Abraham if there was just 5 righteous people in Sodom He would not destroy it, there are a lot of righteous people in the USA, so God will have to take us out to destroy the USA/North America and South America with Apophis. I said all this to get you to see what Israel's BLINDNESS really is.

God blinded Israel as a Nation (they were already blind, they rejected their Messiah who was the essence of God) by refusing to call them unto REPENTANCE ANYMORE (God just gave me this in full) until the very end times, and instead gave their portion, for 2000 some odd years, unto the Gentiles, but when the time of the Gentiles is come full, then and only then will God call ALL Israel to repentance via Elijah and Moses at the 1335, which is after the Pre Trib Rapture and JUST BEFORE the 1260 Anti-Christ and 1290 False Prophet, (the F.P. comes 30 days before the A.C.). God never blinded individual Jews, of course, but He blinded Israel as a nation by leaving them in the condition there were in in 33 AD and in 70 AD until 1948, where he brought them back to life as a nation, but not as a Spiritual Israel, that only comes at the 1335 when Elijah and Moses show up.

P.S. that Blindness is removed at the 1335, NO ONE can come unto God except by FAOTH ALONE, why do 2/3 die in Zech. 13:8-9 but only 1/3 live? Because the 2/3 refuse to repent, then the very next verse is Zech 14:1 and says the DOTL has arrived (1260) and thus Jerusalem gets Conquered in verses 1 and 2 BUT..............then we see Jesus shows up in Zech. 14:3.

CONTINUED LATER..........

 

[Timtofly]

Might help if you point to the passage you are citing, there are a few where he speaks of the pre trib rapture. And, no, they do not have to all physically die, before the Rapture because some are changed at the Rapture, which indeed means they change from flesh body to a spirit man to go be with the Lord, so they die after they are called, or CHANGE.


No kidding, BUT............AND for those Gentiles who came to Christ during the 70th week and somehow dodged the Beasts Martyrdom of all Christians, who are not protected by God like the Jews are in the Petra/Bozrah area. Only the Pre Trib Raptured Church does not go through the 70th week troubles.


The Church is going to Heaven Pre Trib to Marry Jesus, of course, those who rule with Jesus in Rev. 20:4 by not taking the Mark of the Beast are the Gentile Remnant Church spoken about in Rev. 12:17, they get Martyred, the Jews get PROTECTED and go into the New Millineum as Human Beings in order to repopulate the Kingdom Age. The Martyrs or Gentiles who refused the Mark of the Beast rule with Christ for 1000 years but they have Glorious Bodies, those Pre Trib Raptured Church never get tempted with the Mark of the Beast nor did those who died in Christ up until now, so, by READING CAREFULLY, we can see that we (Pre Trib Raptured Church) must go back to Heaven, Jesus doesn't need billions down here with Glorious Bodies to help keep order !! So, the Martyrs (Gentile Remnant Church who comes to Christ during the 70th week) are on earth during the 1000 years, not taken out of the way.



I do not see any post trib people in the bible saying this, if you mean post tribbers in general today, they just do not understand scriptures, sadly.



It doesn't even really mean that, God does not blind people per se, they blind themselves by serving false gods or serving their own self interests over God. An example would be the USA, we have many, many Christians, but we recently have moved passed the lexicon, we are now a BLINDED NATION, that is why grown men dress like women and society pushes it, pushes homosexual marriage, abortion on demand, ewe are BLINDED just like Israel, fir God not to punish us we would have to repent as a Nation, like Nineveh did, we wont, so the Pre Trib Rapture will take us home soon instead, remember, God told Abraham if there was just 5 righteous people in Sodom He would not destroy it, there are a lot of righteous people in the USA, so God will have to take us out to destroy the USA/North America and South America with Apophis. I said all this to get you to see what Israel's BLINDNESS really is.

God blinded Israel as a Nation (they were already blind, they rejected their Messiah who was the essence of God) by refusing to call them unto REPENTANCE ANYMORE (God just gave me this in full) until the very end times, and instead gave their portion, for 2000 some odd years, unto the Gentiles, but when the time of the Gentiles is come full, then and only then will God call ALL Israel to repentance via Elijah and Moses at the 1335, which is after the Pre Trib Rapture and JUST BEFORE the 1260 Anti-Christ and 1290 False Prophet, (the F.P. comes 30 days before the A.C.). God never blinded individual Jews, of course, but He blinded Israel as a nation by leaving them in the condition there were in in 33 AD and in 70 AD until 1948, where he brought them back to life as a nation, but not as a Spiritual Israel, that only comes at the 1335 when Elijah and Moses show up.

P.S. that Blindness is removed at the 1335, NO ONE can come unto God except by FAOTH ALONE, why do 2/3 die in Zech. 13:8-9 but only 1/3 live? Because the 2/3 refuse to repent, then the very next verse is Zech 14:1 and says the DOTL has arrived (1260) and thus Jerusalem gets Conquered in verses 1 and 2 BUT..............then we see Jesus shows up in Zech. 14:3.

CONTINUED LATER..........

The 6th Seal is when all spiritual blindness is removed, and there is no set date for that event.

God had to blind Israel. They would have never placed Jesus on the Cross otherwise.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

It will then be the apostate church who will continue to claim their Jesus and their salvation that Israel is warned about. They now have their King, don't fall for apostate theology claiming false Messiahs. Now what about those post Christians who peddle their human theology? They will read about those 7 Thunders in the newspaper headlines, if Satan can get any presses up and running. The house of Jacob are told to avoid all those post trib Christians. When one has the real thing, why settle for fake?

The Pre Trib Rapture happens pre trib, how are you going to have a FAKE CHURCH at that time? Not understanding the TIMELINE in full will hinder our understanding of the end times brother. God got me to get all the TIMLINES PERFECT before my endeavor to understand the Book of Revelation and end times. The Anti-Christ never tries to be a fake christ to those not in the Petra/Bozrah area, why does he need to? He DEMANDS to be worshiped as god, not Jesus Christ, but as god himself. He says I (fill in his name) am god.

The only ones he and the False Prophet tries to deceive with miracles is the ones he can not get at !! The Jews being protected by God the Father in the Petra/Bozrah area. All of this theory that he tries to be a fake Christ/Messiah is just not reality, John 5:43 is not even about the END TIMES, it was about the Pharisees of Jesus' time who refused to accept him who came from God the Father, but as Jesus stated, THEY (Pharisees) would accept ANOTHER who came in his own name (in the 66-70 AD events). Think rationally here, the Pharisees were learned me, they knew Rome was the Fourth Kingdom/Beast, thus they expected a Messianic "political figure" to save them, thus when the wars/rumors of war in 66-70 AD got going, its a historic fact that the Pharisees/Jewish leaders put forth a couple of Messianic figures at that time, they just knew 70 AD was going to usher in the Kingdom Age, they had no idea God had put off the 70th week for 2000 some odd years, some people today still can't see that, lol.

Jesus will only show up after Israel repents and is protected for 1260 days. Those Gentiles who come to Christ will mostly be Martyred for their faith. The Anti-Christ never tries to say I am the Jewish Messiah, that's a misnomer, a bad understanding, he only does this to the 1/3 who flee unto Judea, now watch why Jesus says they CAN NOT BE DECIEVED in Matt. 24:23-27. Jesus is speaking only to END TIME Jews here, nit Christians who repent after the Pre Trib Rapture.

So, after the Jews see the AoD and flee into Judea in verses 15-22 we get this instruction from Jesus:

Matt. 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not {{why? We see later on}}. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets(The Anti-Christ and False Prophet), and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible,{{Its NOT I will show why later}} they shall deceive the very elect.{{The Jews who repented}}

25 Behold, I have told you before[hand]. {{VERY KEY POINT HERE, Jesus is saying they CAN NOT be deceived because he shows them BEFOREHAND what is going to happen, SEE BELOW:}}

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. {{ So, Jesus says, look, I will not be in the Desert, nor in a Secret Storeroom (Grain storage room) somewhere, BUT..........Here is where I will come from, SEE BELOW: }}

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So, Jesus warns the end time Jews, not to buy into the chatter that the Messiah has shown up and is in the Desert, or in a Storeroom, or in other words that he is ANYWHERE in Israel, he will only be coming from the Eastern Skies for all men to see. Thus as Jesus says, if it were possible, meaning it is not possible for the Jewish Elect (1/3) to be deceived, because Jesus has explained everything in DETAIL, this they can not be deceived. They will stay in the protected zone of the Petra/Bozrah area until they see Messiah Jesus coming in the Eastern Skies.

There is no Apostate Church in the very end, those types of cowards will be Beast Worshipers. The 7 Thunders are simply the 7 Trumps (God's Wrath).

Now I don't think God is going to leave any one currently saved behind, who claim we have to go through this trouble with Israel, solely on the fact they are post trib. But the difference in audience between Jesus and Paul, should explain why the church is not here after the 6th Seal. The Olivet Discourse was not given to the church, but to Israel. Paul's account was given to the church, and Paul made a distinction between Israel and the church. Paul said that Israel would be blind in part until the Second Coming. In part because Israel could freely partake in the church and body of Christ, not that the church replaced Israel. Since the Second Coming is for Israel, not the church, many get confused on this point. Once Jesus is on earth, the church will not be. Jesus is not coming to help out the church. Jesus is coming to remove the blindness of Israel.

Its true we are not here after the 6th Seal because we are Raptured Pre 70th week. Yes, we agree, the Olivet Discourse is all about the end tine Jews save verses 36-51 which is about the Rapture. I do not even know for sure that is part of the Olivet Discourse however. It could go with Matt. 25. They divided all of thee things in 1611. There were no chapters and verses.

Paul did not say Israel would be blind until the Second Coming, he said until the Time of the Gentiles had been fulfilled, he's not speaking of the Anti-Christs 42 month rule, he's speaking of the Gentile Church taking over the mantle from the Jews to take the Gospel unto the whole world, just as Jacob was given the "Mantle" over Esau, he even mentions the Esau and Jacob events in Romans chapters 9-11. Israel is not ruled by Gentiles now? That is not the time of the Gentiles, its the fact that God took the Mantle away from Israel and gave it to the Gentiles. When we are Raptured Pre Trib the 70th week starts, the Time of the Gentles will have been fulfilled. Amen.

Israel comes with the Church, but he rules with the Martyred Gentiles, who gain glorious bodies. We the Church return to heaven, my guess is we help finish off the New Jerusalem, thus as it descends it is called the Bride of Christ because we are all inside !!

So yes, the fig tree is about Israel, not the church. The church blooms in Paradise in heaven, that city of faith in Hebrews 11. Israel is a peculiar people out of those who are alive on the earth. The fig tree blooms on the earth.

The Fig Tree in other places is about Israel, not in Matt. 24:32-35, its a JUXTAPOSITION between the SIGNS Jesus just gave them and SUMMER being near, its that simple. God/Jesus can use things in more ways than one.

There will only be righteous people without sin during the Millennium. The church is redundant. The Millennium is not about Salvation by faith. It is about obedience under the rule of Christ. The final harvest is the firstfruits of the Millennium, the sheep and the wheat is this final harvest along with the 144k disciples of King Jesus.

The Millennium is actually about proving Satan guilty, tat is why he is not cast into hell when the False Prophet and Anti-Christ are, but only 1000 years later as he and all the wicked gets judged. You see, what makes him guilty is his rule can be proven as his doing, and not man's doings, because without the tempter to tempt them, and under Jesus, mankind are not wicked. The 144,000 are simply the 5 million or so Jews who repent (the 1/3) at the 1335.

God Bless

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The 6th Seal is when all spiritual blindness is removed, and there is no set date for that event.

God had to blind Israel. They would have never placed Jesus on the Cross otherwise.

No, they worshiped false gods.

The Seals DO NOTHING, they are Prophesies by Jesus as per to what the Trumpets will bring, after the 7th Seal is loosed off of the Seale Scroll of Judgments, that is why Seal #7 is over in Rev. 8.

 

[The Light]

The Temple is destroyed, everyone but you and a few understands the Temple IS NOT the Gentiles Outer Court. And I will not even debate it any further, because it is nonsensical.

You don't understand that the buildings of the Temple destruction is talking about the future Temple that is not even built yet. This Temple will be destroyed by the people of the prince that shall come. That prince is a king of the North.

Verses 4-6 was about 70 AD. Of course you can't understand that, because you really have no clue about prophetic things. In John 5:43 Jesus was speaking to who? The Pharisees, do they still live? LOL No.

Here are verses 4-6. There is absolutely nothing about 70 AD in these verses. The wars and rumors of wars being talked about are the wars and rumors of wars that occur after the seals are opened. That won't happen until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. After the seals are opened the covenant is confirmed for 7 years by the rider on the white horse who carries a bow. This is Apollo, or Horus, or Tammuz, all the same false savior that the world is looking for.

Matthew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Now, since you wanted to get into my convo with someone else, why not answer the point the reply was about. You accidently got the Pre Trib Rapture right, but a clock is right twice a day.

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jesus is talking to the Jews. He tells them that when the fig puts on its tender leaves summer is near. That means the first harvest will happen as the fig tree has two harvests.

Then He is saying likewise, those that see all the things that come to pass will see the second harvest which is why the word doors is used and not just door. The second harvest will happen at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal as marked by the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars.

It seems like it never occurs to you that you have the Church going through the wrath of God even though we are not appointed to wrath. Makes no sense. The harvest happens before the seals are open and then God turns His attention to His chosen and the seed of the woman is raptured at the second harvest at the 6th seal. They don't go through wrath either.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

You don't understand that the buildings of the Temple destruction is talking about the future Temple that is not even built yet. This Temple will be destroyed by the people of the prince that shall come. That prince is a king of the North.

No

Here are verses 4-6. There is absolutely nothing about 70 AD in these verses. The wars and rumors of wars being talked about are the wars and rumors of wars that occur after the seals are opened. That won't happen until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. After the seals are opened the covenant is confirmed for 7 years by the rider on the white horse who carries a bow. This is Apollo, or Horus, or Tammuz, all the same false savior that the world is looking for.

Matthew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

It IS about 70 AD brother, it doesn't matter if you can see that or not. Men's traditions are dangerous, especially when they are in error. I was taught the same bogus stuff long ago. But my job is to search out the truths.

The Seals DO NOTHING, and NOTHING in Matt. 24 until we get to verse 15 is about te 70th week. You say you believe in the Pre Trib Rapture but you can't see THE END (70th week) only comes after the Gospel has been preached unto the whole world in verse 14.

I am right, you are wrong. That's a fact brother. you are still believing as you were taught, I am not hemmed up by those teachings. Verse 3 WHEN will these things be (temples destruction) AND what is the SIGN of your coming and the END OF THE WORLD? So, Jesus starts of with the 70 AD events that is why he tells them when YE (as in you my disciples) hear of wars and rumors of wars. Now what wars could it be as Imperial Roman Subjects? Well, during their lifetimes it was only Jerusalem. The Romans tore down the temple, denying this is incredulous tbh. But Jesus says THE END IS NOT YET......Why? He did not want the Disciples rushing back to fight, thinking he had returned, hence in verse 14 Jesus gives them a QUALIFIER that proves 70 AD can not be THE END !! He say the Gospel has to be taken unto ALL THE WORLD, then the end (70th week) will come. So, verses 4-6 are about the 70 AD Events, and t is a fact the Pharisees and Israeli leaders put firth 2 or 3 Messianic figures, fulfilling John 5:43. You problem is you actually were taught Matt. 4-14 is the 70th week Seals, but it is not nor can it be because of the verse 14 QUALIFIER !! But its in your head, and some people can never unlearn things it seems. You can't even grasp that a Sealed Book/Scroll only BINDS it, and that the scroll can not e opened until the 7th Seal is taken off, you have the Seals as Judgments, which makes no sense. They are only 7 Judgments, they all come forth from the 7 Trumps. One Asteroid is Four Trumps, and then the Three Woes, the last woe is 7 Vials.

After Jesus says the end is NOT YET (70th week) he lays out how the Disciples lives will play out, but he wants to reassure them that the 70 AD events is nit the end, so he goes into the Birth Pangs to come, showing them that many, many, many more wars, famines and earthquakes will come before the end, so they will be SURE that the 70 AD events is not the end or 70th week when Jesus returns, in the 7th year of the 70th week. So, he's like, hey, its going to be like a woman giving birth, it will get worse and worse, wars, famines, pestilences (black plague/COVID 19), earthquakes etc. Then he shifts back after letting them know the wars and rumors of wars via 70 AD would net be the end, he does so by piling up a list of more wars to come, more famines, earthquakes and pestilences, all this was a ROAD MAP for the Disciples, that all it was !! Then he goes into how they will all die, he tells them, false prophets will arise (not Christian False Prophets types as we think but the Zeus, Jupiter types who were losing patrons to Paul, Peter and all the Christians). So, yes, they cried to Rome, and Greece and thus they rallied these nations against the Christians, they started Martyring Christians, they started with the 11 Disciples, they could not kill John try as they might so the placed him on Patmos. Here is where Jesus' warning to his Disciples about ENDURING TO THE END [of ones life] comes in, it not about the END TIMES, its about his disciples, whom he explicitly says will be KILLED !! He warn them do not be like unto Judas, ENDURE !! Then in verse 14 he tells them when THIS 70TH WEEK END will finally come, in a way they CAN NOT BE DECEIVED !! Jesus says when the Gospel has been preached unto ALL THE WORLD, then the end will come, they they knew if China, India and the Scythians (Russians) had not heard the Gospel, the 70th week end was mot upon them yet, thus they could not be DECEIVED by the 70 AD wars !!

Everything in Matt. 24:4-14 is Jesus giving his 12 disciples (counting Paul to come) how to survive as long as they could, if the had all went rushing back to defend Jerusalem in 66-70 AD, they would have been killed, and if they thought Jesus was coming, they would have led their brothers in Christ back to Jerusalem with them, killing off the Church before it got off the ground. So, this was MASSIVELY IMPORTANT, you not understanding this was a survival guide to the Church all because you somehow came to believe it was the Seals is on you sir. I seek God's understandings, not men's traditions passed down, and if they were passed unto me, I overcome the untruths by prayer and study.

 

[The Light]

No

Uhhhh, yeah. it is the Temple that is not yet built that will be destroyed by the people of the prince that shall come.

It IS about 70 AD brother, it doesn't matter if you can see that or not. Men's traditions are dangerous, especially when they are in error. I was taught the same bogus stuff long ago. But my job is to search out the truths.

LOL STOP. What men teach that it is a future Temple that is destroyed? I've never seen anyone teach that.

The Seals DO NOTHING, and NOTHING in Matt. 24 until we get to verse 15 is about te 70th week.

The seals line up EXACTLY with what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24. It boggles my mind that you don't understand that.

You say you believe in the Pre Trib Rapture but you can't see THE END (70th week) only comes after the Gospel has been preached unto the whole world in verse 14.

The end of the 70th week does not happen when the Gospel is preached to the world. The end of the age happens which is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened. The coming of Jesus at the 6th seal is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The fact that you can't tell these verses are talking about the event is beyond boggling Gump. Read it slowly and pay attention Forest. It's the same event. It marks the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal.

I am right, you are wrong. That's a fact brother. you are still believing as you were taught, I am not hemmed up by those teachings.

LOL. Why do you say things like this? Do you know anyone teaching there are two raptures? Do you know anyone teaching that Jesus comes for the seed of the woman at the 6th seal? Do you know anyone teaching that both brides are at the marriage supper?

Verse 3 WHEN will these things be (temples destruction) AND what is the SIGN of your coming and the END OF THE WORLD? So, Jesus starts of with the 70 AD events that is why he tells them when YE (as in you my disciples) hear of wars and rumors of wars. Now what wars could it be as Imperial Roman Subjects? Well, during their lifetimes it was only Jerusalem. The Romans tore down the temple, denying this is incredulous tbh. But Jesus says THE END IS NOT YET......Why? He did not want the Disciples rushing back to fight, thinking he had returned, hence in verse 14 Jesus gives them a QUALIFIER that proves 70 AD can not be THE END !! He say the Gospel has to be taken unto ALL THE WORLD, then the end (70th week) will come. So, verses 4-6 are about the 70 AD Events, and t is a fact the Pharisees and Israeli leaders put firth 2 or 3 Messianic figures, fulfilling John 5:43.

None of Matthew 24 is about 70 AD. The disciples ask when will the buildings of the Temple be destroyed and what sign will there be when these things happen.
Does Jesus answer the question, or does He say, No, I'm not going to answer your question, let Me give you the history of the world instead? Jesus talks end times, not 70 AD. Not the history of the world.

You problem is you actually were taught Matt. 4-14 is the 70th week Seals, but it is not nor can it be because of the verse 14 QUALIFIER !! But its in your head, and some people can never unlearn things it seems.

Oh boy. Here it is again. No one taught me the truth, I read it for myself. All you need is common sense. Read what it says, we don't need any made-up spiritual revelation.

I saw the signs of the sun, moon and stars in Matthew 24 at the coming of Jesus. Made note that those are the exact same signs of the sun, moon and stars at the 6th seal. Then I noted that the Great Tribulation happens at the 5th seal which is further proven by Revelation 7 which shows people coming out of great tribulation. Then I noted the beginning of sorrows is the same as the 1st four seals. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ IT, and use common sense. Jesus tells about the end times. John gets a Revelation and tells us the exact same thing. But no, you can't believe the obvious and start off in the wrong direction which is exactly what I was taught and believed before the obvious occurred to me.

 

[The Light]

You can't even grasp that a Sealed Book/Scroll only BINDS it, and that the scroll can not e opened until the 7th Seal is taken off, you have the Seals as Judgments, which makes no sense.

What makes no sense at all is why you have concluded that all 7 seals need to be opened before anything happens. We are clearly told that one seal is opened and the rider on the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquering and to conquer. All the seals do not have to be open. Just another wrong conclusion that has completely you end times perspective. Error upon error leads to more error.

They are only 7 Judgments, they all come forth from the 7 Trumps. One Asteroid is Four Trumps, and then the Three Woes, the last woe is 7 Vials.

This is Gods wrath. Gods people are not appointed to wrath which is why there is a rapture before the seals for the Church and a rapture at the 6th seal for the seed of the woman.

After Jesus says the end is NOT YET (70th week) he lays out how the Disciples lives will play out, but he wants to reassure them that the 70 AD events is nit the end, so he goes into the Birth Pangs to come, showing them that many, many, many more wars, famines and earthquakes will come before the end, so they will be SURE that the 70 AD events is not the end or 70th week when Jesus returns, in the 7th year of the 70th week. So, he's like, hey, its going to be like a woman giving birth, it will get worse and worse, wars, famines, pestilences (black plague/COVID 19), earthquakes etc. Then he shifts back after letting them know the wars and rumors of wars via 70 AD would net be the end, he does so by piling up a list of more wars to come, more famines, earthquakes and pestilences, all this was a ROAD MAP for the Disciples, that all it was !! Then he goes into how they will all die, he tells them, false prophets will arise (not Christian False Prophets types as we think but the Zeus, Jupiter types who were losing patrons to Paul, Peter and all the Christians). So, yes, they cried to Rome, and Greece and thus they rallied these nations against the Christians, they started Martyring Christians, they started with the 11 Disciples, they could not kill John try as they might so the placed him on Patmos. Here is where Jesus' warning to his Disciples about ENDURING TO THE END [of ones life] comes in, it not about the END TIMES, its about his disciples, whom he explicitly says will be KILLED !! He warn them do not be like unto Judas, ENDURE !! Then in verse 14 he tells them when THIS 70TH WEEK END will finally come, in a way they CAN NOT BE DECEIVED !! Jesus says when the Gospel has been preached unto ALL THE WORLD, then the end will come, they they knew if China, India and the Scythians (Russians) had not heard the Gospel, the 70th week end was mot upon them yet, thus they could not be DECEIVED by the 70 AD wars !!

There is no 70 AD in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 is about end times.

Everything in Matt. 24:4-14 is Jesus giving his 12 disciples (counting Paul to come) how to survive as long as they could, if the had all went rushing back to defend Jerusalem in 66-70 AD, they would have been killed, and if they thought Jesus was coming, they would have led their brothers in Christ back to Jerusalem with them, killing off the Church before it got off the ground.

Ditto There is no 70 AD in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 is about end times.

So, this was MASSIVELY IMPORTANT, you not understanding this was a survival guide to the Church all because you somehow came to believe it was the Seals is on you sir. I seek God's understandings, not men's traditions passed down, and if they were passed unto me, I overcome the untruths by prayer and study.

Again. What men's traditions are you talking about? Sounds like you are using that as a crutch because you really have no answer because I just read what the Word says. as in we don't need all 7 seals open before the 1st seal event happens. The 144,000 are 12,000 from each tribe not all of Israel. Start over, forget what you have made up and read what it says. It's that simple. Errors create errors.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

LOL STOP. What men teach that it is a future Temple that is destroyed? I've never seen anyone teach that.

Look, you are not called unto Prophecy, you are very, very bad at it. You get nothing right brother. Its sad really. You somehow understand the Rapture is Pre Trib, but can't get the Seals are middle of the 70th week where Jesus opens the Trumpet Judgments.

The seals line up EXACTLY with what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24. It boggles my mind that you don't understand that.

The Seals have NOTHING to do with Matt. 24:4-14 except in your mind. You somehow can not understand that verse 14 is where the Church leaves, SMH.

The end of the 70th week does not happen when the Gospel is preached to the world. The end of the age happens which is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened. The coming of Jesus at the 6th seal is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

You are off in the ditch with this. As I explained last week, the Sun and Moon goes dark at the 1260, Jesus returns at the 7th Vial, 1260 days later. You somehow MANGLED the scriptures,

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Let me show you again how this matches Zechariah 14:1-2.......we get 1260 days and then....THEN....we see Jesus return in Zech. 14:3-4. Likewise above you miss it, as usual.

The Sun and Moon give not their light, the stars are SHAKEN is Satan cast down, both happen at the 1260 middle of the week. The POWERS of heaven are SHAKEN, Satan is cast down to earth.

Then in verse 30.....AND THEN............THEN............THEN..........1260 days later !! Good grief man. Then Immediately AFTER is the Sun and Moon going dark. It says so right there, you are the one that adds in Jesus is returning IMMEDIATLY AFTER, not the verses !! It says THEN.......Referring to when he returns 1260 days later, or THEN.............THEN...............THEN.

Now, again, lets see Zech. 14..........it shows the exact same thing, if you do not understand what the TIMELINES are why are you even trying to teach this? You are wasting your time brother. If you can't even get the timelines right, this is not your calling !! What's sad is even when a guy called to do this for over 37 years explains it to you, you still can't see it because you know it all already, even though you don 't. Remember how the Pharisees knew it all already ? Take a cue man.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh(Sun and Moon goes dark, just like Joel 2:31 SAME THING as Matt. 24:29), and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

{{{ The Anti-Christ and the E.U. conquers Israel and THE MANY, just like Dan. 11:40-43 shows us. But just below, just like in Matt. 24:30, we get a 1260 day JUMP IN TIME, to when Jesus returns !! Same Thing }}}

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, (Second Coming, 1260 days later) and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

You are the one who conflates the verse brother, IMMEDIATELY AFTER is referring to the Sun and Moon going Dark, just like in Trump #4 IMMEDIATLY AFTER the Trump #2 Asteroid Impact. THEN..........in both Zech. 14:3 and Matt. 24:30 it says THEN............or AFTER the Sun and Moon event in Matt. 24:29 or AFTER the Day of the Lord arrives in Zech. 14:1-2. You read it with no vision. You think a Prophetic uttering from 2000 -2500 years ago should spend 50 chapters going into minute details, that is not how prophecy works, we have HUGE LEAPS in time all the time. If you were called unto Prophecy, and studied it like I have you would know this.

For instance, some people get confused by the End Time Prophecy of Zech. 13:1-9, they swear its about Jesus' time because of verses 6 and 7. But they do not understand prophecy, we get the END TIME Repentance of Israel in verses 1-5 and 8-9 tells us 1/3 (5 million) will repent, but in verses 6-7 we are showed Jesus PAYING THE PRICE, for their sins, in the exact same prophecy, which makes it a more authentic prophesy, Jesus died 500 or so years after Zechariah, so he got that in, PLUS he shows Israel repenting 2000 years after Jesus' death !! He intermingles Israel's repentance with their Messianic Saviors Death !! Which happened 2000 years before they repented as a nation !!

So, you fundamentally conflate the passages.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The fact that you can't tell these verses are talking about the event is beyond boggling Gump. Read it slowly and pay attention Forest. It's the same event. It marks the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal.

The fact that you do not understand Matt. 24:4-14 is BEFORE the 70th week is on you. I do understand Matt. 24:15-30 is the 70th week.

So, yes the Seals are opened during the 70th week, mere weeks or days before they actually come to pass via the Trumpet Judgments in Rev. 8, but that is not the issue, the issue is YOU trying to say the 70th week is seen in Matt. 24:4-14, IT IS NOT !! It never will be, no matter how many times you say it is !!

LOL. Why do you say things like this? Do you know anyone teaching there are two raptures? Do you know anyone teaching that Jesus comes for the seed of the woman at the 6th seal? Do you know anyone teaching that both brides are at the marriage supper?

I know MANY PEOPLE who confuse Matt. 24:4-14 as the 70th week Seal Events. They are wrong also. Whatever your small tweaks are I do not care, tbh. Its in error.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

None of Matthew 24 is about 70 AD. The disciples ask when will the buildings of the Temple be destroyed and what sign will there be when these things happen.
Does Jesus answer the question, or does He say, No, I'm not going to answer your question, let Me give you the history of the world instead? Jesus talks end times, not 70 AD. Not the history of the world.

They were DESTROYED in 70 AD. And yes, Jesus did answer the question, the question was WHEN WILL THESE THINGS BE................Then they asked about his COMING and the END OF THE WORLD. Keep up man. so 1.) Temples Destruction 2.) Jesus' coming 3.) The end of the world as we know it/End of the age.

The temples Destruction or the 70 AD events are told about in verses 4-6. THE END IS NOT YET !! Everyone knows that 70 AD would have brought in the Kingdom Age if Israel had repented, everyone it seems but you. Jesus at the end of Matt. 23 says so, he wanted to gather them to himself many times, but they would not, thus he says the next time you see me you will say Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Oh boy. Here it is again. No one taught me the truth, I read it for myself. All you need is common sense. Read what it says, we don't need any made-up spiritual revelation.

I saw the signs of the sun, moon and stars in Matthew 24 at the coming of Jesus. Made note that those are the exact same signs of the sun, moon and stars at the 6th seal. Then I noted that the Great Tribulation happens at the 5th seal which is further proven by Revelation 7 which shows people coming out of great tribulation. Then I noted the beginning of sorrows is the same as the 1st four seals. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ IT, and use common sense. Jesus tells about the end times. John gets a Revelation and tells us the exact same thing. But no, you can't believe the obvious and start off in the wrong direction which is exactly what I was taught and believed before the obvious occurred to me.

You did not read it in the bible that is for sure, because its NOT THERE, and I heard this stuff 30 years ago, so it came from men. The Bible does not say anything about the coming of Jesus via the Sun, Moon and Stars, it says that they will GO DARK...............THEN Jesus will come, but its 1260 days later, you somehow can not understand the Sun and Moon go dark in the exact middle of the week. Then 1260 days later Jesus shows up. So, the Anti-Christ conquers the holy peoples in Dan. 12:7, then ALL THESE WONDERS END, 1260 days later. Its too easy, its not your calling brother. If you can not understand the basic tenets of Prophecy you need to stop trying to teach it at all.

No one is coming out of the 70th week once it starts, they came out of the Church Age Tribulation, or the Pre Trib Rapture !! Again, you get confused by the words Great Tribulation it seems, the Church age can't be great tribulation according to you, even though it was and still is, many millions of our brothers have died, but you are LOCKED IN, it can only mean the Greatest Ever Troubles in your mind, even though it is not called the Greatest Ever Troubles in Revelation chapter 7, just Great Tribulation. Do you think the early Church had GREAT TRIBULATION in order to spread the Gospel? The 11 Disciples were Martyred !! Many Millions were Martyred !! Those came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, not the Greatest Ever Tribulation. (Psstt, those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are the Pre Trib Raptured Church).

The Beginning of sorrows or Birth Pangs started in the Disciples time.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

What makes no sense at all is why you have concluded that all 7 seals need to be opened before anything happens. We are clearly told that one seal is opened and the rider on the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquering and to conquer. All the seals do not have to be open. Just another wrong conclusion that has completely you end times perspective. Error upon error leads to more error.

No we are not, Jesus is PROPHESYING what will come when God's Wrath finally falls (Seal #6) and how the Anti-Christs rule will look over the same 42 month period of time, as seen in Seals 1-5. BUT BOTH can only happen when the 7th Seal is opened. It amazes me that you refuse to admit that a Sealed Letter/Message from a king can not be read from until all the Seals are off !! Seven (7) just means Divine Completion. This means God has these events SEALED UP, until He allows them to come to pass on His God time. Thus when the 7th Seal is loosed we see the Asteroid coming in, in Rev. 8. We see the 5 Million Jews in Rev. 7 fleeing to Judea and God saying HOLD UP the Four Winds (Judgments in Rev. 8) until they have been sealed in the head (Israel Repents). And HURT NOT the Trees, Seas nor the Earth until I have sealed them !! It is TOO EASY to interpret, just turn the page to Rev. 8, what HURTS the Earth, Sea and Trees? The incoming Asteroid !! Tie it all together man, don't stay stuck in the mud !! Seals 1-5 are ALL the Anti-Christs COMING 42 month rule. You will never get it because pride keeps a man from saying I am wrong. The same thing kept the Pharisees from understanding Jesus' teachings. They already knew it all. When you get to heaven, you will say "that man Ron" knew more about the End Times than anyone I ever knew. BANK IT.

This is Gods wrath. Gods people are not appointed to wrath which is why there is a rapture before the seals for the Church and a rapture at the 6th seal for the seed of the woman.

The Rapture is pre 70th week, not during the 70th week. You are confused my friend.

There is no 70 AD in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 is about end times.

WRONG, verses 4-6 is about 70 AD and verses 6-14 is mostly about the first century, because its all about the disciples lives, the only reason we even get the "birth pangs" explanation is so they will understand the 70 AD events are NOT the end, therefore Jesus can say, do not come back in 70, its not the Second Coming or THE END, we have, this, this, this, and this coming and it will get progressively worse and worse like birth pangs, so 70 AD is not the end!! GET IT NOW MY DISCIPLES ? Stay Away !!

Ditto There is no 70 AD in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 is about end times.

You need to teach Sunday School lessons brother, not Prophecy.

Again. What men's traditions are you talking about? Sounds like you are using that as a crutch because you really have no answer because I just read what the Word says. as in we don't need all 7 seals open before the 1st seal event happens. The 144,000 are 12,000 from each tribe not all of Israel. Start over, forget what you have made up and read what it says. It's that simple. Errors create errors.

The 144,000 is a CODE, just like the 7000, it looks like you would be smart enough to know God does not choose PERFECT NUMBERS. God uses these Numbers like 144,000 and 7000 to give us understandings like Fulness x Completeness or Divine Completeness x Completeness. Oh, you can get that the 10 Virgin Brides is the COMPLETE Church or 2 billion people, but you can't get that the 144,000 are 5 Million Jews. It is called TUNNEL VISION brother.

 

[The Light]

Look, you are not called unto Prophecy, you are very, very bad at it. You get nothing right brother.

It strange that I take the Word for what it says, and you make a bunch of stuff up and think you have understanding. Have you ever thought about just accepting what is written and not making anything up. In other words, the 144,000 that we are told are 12,000 from each tribe are just that. We don't need to dream anything up and get off the path.

The Seals have NOTHING to do with Matt. 24:4-14 except in your mind. You somehow can not understand that verse 14 is where the Church leaves, SMH.

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened. Try accepting what is written, it's right there to read. Just like all seven seals do not have to be opened for the 1st seal to happen. This is just another thing that you have made up that does not agree with the written Word.

You are off in the ditch with this. As I explained last week, the Sun and Moon goes dark at the 1260, Jesus returns at the 7th Vial, 1260 days later. You somehow MANGLED the scriptures,

Let me show you again how this matches Zechariah 14:1-2.......we get 1260 days and then....THEN....we see Jesus return in Zech. 14:3-4. Likewise above you miss it, as usual.

The Sun and Moon give not their light, the stars are SHAKEN is Satan cast down, both happen at the 1260 middle of the week. The POWERS of heaven are SHAKEN, Satan is cast down to earth.

Then in verse 30.....AND THEN............THEN............THEN..........1260 days later !! Good grief man. Then Immediately AFTER is the Sun and Moon going dark. It says so right there, you are the one that adds in Jesus is returning IMMEDIATLY AFTER, not the verses !! It says THEN.......Referring to when he returns 1260 days later, or THEN.............THEN...............THEN.

Now, again, lets see Zech. 14..........it shows the exact same thing, if you do not understand what the TIMELINES are why are you even trying to teach this? You are wasting your time brother. If you can't even get the timelines right, this is not your calling !! What's sad is even when a guy called to do this for over 37 years explains it to you, you still can't see it because you know it all already, even though you don 't. Remember how the Pharisees knew it all already ? Take a cue man.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh(Sun and Moon goes dark, just like Joel 2:31 SAME THING as Matt. 24:29), and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

{{{ The Anti-Christ and the E.U. conquers Israel and THE MANY, just like Dan. 11:40-43 shows us. But just below, just like in Matt. 24:30, we get a 1260 day JUMP IN TIME, to when Jesus returns !! Same Thing }}}

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, (Second Coming, 1260 days later) and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

You are the one who conflates the verse brother, IMMEDIATELY AFTER is referring to the Sun and Moon going Dark, just like in Trump #4 IMMEDIATLY AFTER the Trump #2 Asteroid Impact. THEN..........in both Zech. 14:3 and Matt. 24:30 it says THEN............or AFTER the Sun and Moon event in Matt. 24:29 or AFTER the Day of the Lord arrives in Zech. 14:1-2. You read it with no vision. You think a Prophetic uttering from 2000 -2500 years ago should spend 50 chapters going into minute details, that is not how prophecy works, we have HUGE LEAPS in time all the time. If you were called unto Prophecy, and studied it like I have you would know this.

For instance, some people get confused by the End Time Prophecy of Zech. 13:1-9, they swear its about Jesus' time because of verses 6 and 7. But they do not understand prophecy, we get the END TIME Repentance of Israel in verses 1-5 and 8-9 tells us 1/3 (5 million) will repent, but in verses 6-7 we are showed Jesus PAYING THE PRICE, for their sins, in the exact same prophecy, which makes it a more authentic prophesy, Jesus died 500 or so years after Zechariah, so he got that in, PLUS he shows Israel repenting 2000 years after Jesus' death !! He intermingles Israel's repentance with their Messianic Saviors Death !! Which happened 2000 years before they repented as a nation !!

So, you fundamentally conflate the passages.


The fact that you do not understand Matt. 24:4-14 is BEFORE the 70th week is on you. I do understand Matt. 24:15-30 is the 70th week.

So, yes the Seals are opened during the 70th week, mere weeks or days before they actually come to pass via the Trumpet Judgments in Rev. 8, but that is not the issue, the issue is YOU trying to say the 70th week is seen in Matt. 24:4-14, IT IS NOT !! It never will be, no matter how many times you say it is !!



I know MANY PEOPLE who confuse Matt. 24:4-14 as the 70th week Seal Events. They are wrong also. Whatever your small tweaks are I do not care, tbh. Its in error.

And yet it never occurs to you that the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24. The fifth seal is the great tribulation. Then the 6th seal is the coming of Jesus AFTER the tribulation and BEFORE the wrath of God. Its right there, step by step and you can't see it. Totally puzzling. So simple and yet you can't see it.

 

[The Light]

They were DESTROYED in 70 AD. And yes, Jesus did answer the question, the question was WHEN WILL THESE THINGS BE................Then they asked about his COMING and the END OF THE WORLD. Keep up man. so 1.) Temples Destruction 2.) Jesus' coming 3.) The end of the world as we know it.

Temples Destruction or the 70 AD events told about in verses 4-6. THE END IS NOT YET !! Everyone knows that 70 AD would have brought in the Kingdom Age if Israel had repented, everyone it seems but you. Jesus at the end of Matt. 23 says so, he wanted to gather them to himself many times, but they would not, thus he says the next time you see me you will say Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Here read this

Luke 21
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

They asked Jesus what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass. So, what sign was there when the Temple was destroyed?

You did not read it in the bible that is for sure, because its NOT THERE, and I heard this stuff 30 years ago, so it came from men. The Bible does not say anything about the coming of Jesus via the Sun moon and Stars, it says that they will GO DARK...............THEN Jesus will come, but its 1260 days later, you somehow can not understand the Sun and Moon go dark in the exact middle of the week. Then 1260 days later Jesus shows up.

You are so confused about those 1260 days. You are trying to run those 1260 days after the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars. The sacrifice taken away happens in the midst of the week as does the AOD. Those that flee to a place of protection for 42 months do so way before the signs of the sun, moon and stars. I think Daniel 12 has confused you.

So, the Anti-Christ conquers the holy peoples in Dan. 12:7, then ALL THESE WONDERS END, 1260 days later. Its too easy, its not your calling brother. If you can not understand the basic tenets of Prophecy you need to stop trying to teach it at all.

LOL. I guess I should have kept reading. I knew Daniel 12 had confused you.

No one is coming out of the 70th week once it starts, they came out of the Church Age Tribulation, or the Pre Trib Rapture !!

The Church is raptured before the tribulation. The tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble. That's Israel.

Again, you get confused by the words Great Tribulation words it seems, the Church age can't be great tribulation according to you, even though it was, many millions of our brothers died, but you are LOCKED IN, it can mean the Greatest Ever Troubles in your mind, even though it is not called the Greatest Ever Troubles in Revelation chapter7, just Great Tribulation. Do you think the early Church had GREAT TRIBULATION in order to spread the Gospel? 11 Disciples were Martyred !! Many Millions were Martyred !! Those came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, not the Greatest Ever Tribulation. (Psstt, they are the Pre Trib Raptured Church).

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened. That's why you see them in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 and seals are opened in Rev 6.
Certainly that will be many foolish virgins that will be in the time of testing. Those not watching and ready.

The Beginning of sorrows or Birth Pangs started in the Disciples time.

Mmmm. And you have been doing this 37 years? Mmmm.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

It strange that I take the Word for what it says, and you make a bunch of stuff up and think you have understanding. Have you ever thought about just accepting what is written and not making anything up. In other words, the 144,000 that we are told are 12,000 from each tribe are just that. We don't need to dream anything up and get off the path.

Have you ever thought about what Jesus said and what I have repeated unto you countless times? Jesus told his Disciples that he spoke unto them in Parables so hearing they would hear and seeing they would see, but THE WORLD hearing would not hear and seeing would not see !! And somehow this goes right over your head brother. Yo also PICK & CHOSE, its OK for the 10 Virgin Brides not to really be Virgins, or Women, but stand for the COMPLETE CHURCH, buts its not OK for the 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 or 144,000 to be COMPLETE Israel who repents, or 5Million Jews who repent, just as Zech. 13:8-9 tells us, we see 1/3 repenting, you just do not want to accept these facts. You do not want to see that the book of Revelation is a giant code book, because you already built "YOUR UNDERSTANDINGS" around other things.

Psstt, WHO CARES, as long as we receive truth. The only difference between you and I is after 30 years I was able to say, Lord, I am WRONG on many, many things, show me YOUR TRUTHS, and it seems that you can not ever say, I am wrong, so God can not show you these things that He has shown me, you have too much invested in YOUR UNDERSTANDINGS. If you can not understand God doesn't chose those that get saved, but receives them by FAITH ALONE, then you may think that the 144,000 is an ACTUAL NUMBER, I guess, even though you have enough horse sense to understand the 10 Virgin Brides are not really 10 Virgin Women !! God doesn't chose PERFECT NUMBERS, He accepts ALL who come unto Him, thus the 10 Virgin Brides = 2 Billion people AND the 144,000 = 5 Million or so Jews because 1/3 repent in the very end times, as Zech. 13:8-9 shows us. The reason ALL Male Virgins are used is because God chose Israel first. God married Israel, Jesus will soon marry his bride the Church. So, its only DREAMING THINGS UP when you can't grasp it, the 10 Virgin Brides which = ALL Christendom, or 2 Billion is OK right? Wrong, both are FACTS. Just because you want to pick and choose, that is not how God works. You have and never will answer my point on the 10 Virgin Brides because you know it throws SHADE on your answer via the 144,000 it makes you look dodgy. Which is why I HAMMER you with it time and again. BOOM ###.

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened. Try accepting what is written, it's right there to read. Just like all seven seals do not have to be opened for the 1st seal to happen. This is just another thing that you have made up that does not agree with the written Word.

YET............Jesus says this in verse 14, it evades all of your senses it seems.

Matt. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. {{ 70th Week, this fulfills the Time of the Gentiles calling }}

I know the Church is in Heaven, the 24 Elders are a STAND IN for the Church, they have on Crowns as promised in Rev. 2:10, White Robes as promised in Rev. 3:5 and sit amidst God's Throne as promised in Rev. 3:21. But it only happens AFTER Matt. 24:14 because WE THE CHURCH take the Gospel unto all the Nations, that is the Mantel God has given unto the Gentiles !! Or the Time of the Gentiles.

All 7 Seals must be opened before the Trumpet Judgments Fall (God's Wrath) It is on you that you can't understand Jesus is Prophesying what is about to come when he opens the Seals in Rev. 6. But you do understand Joel 2:31 is a Prophesy don't you? But Jesus can not Prophesy via the 6th Seal !! It should dawn on you that Rev. 8 is the Asteroid Impact that brings all this to pass, but alas, no, you already had an IDEA so this real truth can't be truth because it doesn't match "YOUR IDEAS" or what you learned from "OTHER MEN" and even via your protests, you know why I understand this all came from other men? Because I heard all of this stuff long before you did brother !! The fact you can't MATCH Joel 2:31 AND Seal #6 up to the Fourth Trump is utterly amazing.

Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call. {{ In Zech. 13:8-9 its 1/3 or 5 Million Jews/Israelites }}

Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake(Asteroid Impact); and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs(Satan is CAST DOWN at the 1260 and chases Israel for 1260 days, in Joel 2 it cites DELIVERANCE), when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places(Asteroid Impact). 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? (1260 days)

Then in Trump #1 we see the Fire that burns the trees and grasses (Houses) in 1/3 of the world or in the two Americas/New World. In Trump #2 we see THE IMPACT. In Trump #3 we see the Poisonous Fallout or Wormwood that poisons the fresh waters in the New World (1/3). Then we get the Sun and Moon going Dark in Trump #4, this is the Matt. 24:29 MIDDLE OF THE WEEK (1260) event. This is the Zechariah 14:1-2 MIDDLE OF THE WEEK (1260) event also. This is the Day of the Lord as Malachi 4:5-6 says will come just after Elijah calls Israel unto repentance !! This is the Day of the Lord spoken of by Jesus in the 6th Seal !!

Rev. 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars(Smoke filters the SUN LIGHT, making it Darker); so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

So, you not understanding the 6th Seal is Jesus FORETELLING this coming Day of the Lord event that matches Joel 2:31 AND Jesus' 6th Seal Prophesy is on you sir. Granted many others are in error also, but the Lord shows me His deep secrets, just as he showed me in a Vision in 1986 that the "Man of Sin is Here" who knows why God chooses whom he choses, but He does what He does. My calling is my calling. You are not called unto Prophecy or you would see truths when presented unto you. You only see your ideas brother, you can not get past them, so God can not use you via Prophecy.

And yet it never occurs to you that the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24. The fifth seal is the great tribulation. Then the 6th seal is the coming of Jesus AFTER the tribulation and BEFORE the wrath of God. Its right there, step by step and you can't see it. Totally puzzling. So simple and yet you can't see it.

No they are not, this is nonsensical, we see the Birth Pangs starts in the Disciples time, he says to his Disciples they will KILL YOU. And you can not put the TIMELINE STAMP on when that starts just Wow !! That came from other men, I saw it long before you ever did, in the early 80s. I had to disprove it myself long ago. The 5th Seal happens during the 70th week, but BEFORE the Great Tribulation starts via the Trumpet Judgments, so Jesus opens the Seals in the Presence of the Pre Trib Raptured Saints, but you can't understand that Matt. 24:6-14 is the Church Age Saints dying, and the Disciples being told they would all be hated, and killed !! Nor can you get that the Church is the only entity that takes the Gospel unto the whole world or Nations, after we are Raptured an Angel takes this mission over, see Rev. 14:6 !! Again, the reason God can not use you on Prophesy is your ideas are ALL IMPORTANT, so you can't hear His truths !! It is not your calling brother. The 5th Seal FORETELLS of the Martyrs of the Gentile Remnant Church, who get saved during the 70th week, but it can only happen after the 1260, after Satan gets cast down, as seen in Rev. 8, after the Asteroid Impact, via the 1260, God's Wrath comes with the Asteroid Judgment. This escapes you it seems. You like to dabble, your zeal is there but you lack knowledge.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Here read this

Luke 21
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

They asked Jesus what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass. So, what sign was there when the Temple was destroyed?

They are all the same, what I see is people try to switch when they lose a debate, hoping a nuanced word here or there will help them in their arguments, it will not sir because the four Gospels all mean the exact same thing. So, let me go line by line here to show what this means also, I never get tripped up by other passages.

Luke 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. {{The Temple. not the Outer Court of the gentiles}}

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near(Near in 33 AD meant 70 AD): go ye not therefore after them.

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. {{ Who on this earth do you think YE is when Jesus is speaking unto his Disciples? Its incredulous you can not grasp this !! Mind Blown. So, Jesus tells the Disciples not to follow the fake Christs of 66-70 AD, which was COMING SOON or was NEAR. But Jesus warns them, he end or 70th week is LATER ON. This ends the Temples Destruction Phase. However we can see Luke doesn't get all three questions in as Matthew did, what will be the SIGN of your coming AND the End of the {eon) Age. But he does get the Answers to those questions in as seen BELOW: }}

10 Then said he unto them, Nation (Ethos/Race) shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. {{{ This is the Church Age Birth Pangs that BRINGS the End Times or 70th week Jesus specifically stated was LATER ON. The Disciples are still alive, SEE BELOW, the Birth Pans are only mean to reinforce Jesus' words that the rumors of wars is not going to be his Second Coming, he simply says, Hey guys, I just told you those rumors of war and fake Christs would not be me coming again right? NOW, this is why it isn't mean, you will have race vs. race, kingdoms vs. kingdoms (not just Rome against Israel), Earthquakes, Pestilence and Famines that all get progressively worse over time (Black Plague/COVID 19 etc. }}}

12 But before all these,(BOOM) they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you(All but John) shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. 18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 19 In your patience possess ye your souls. {{ Jesus tells them even when the kill you they can not take away your Heavenly Prizes, Your souls shall not be touched one whit. }}

We now jump forward to the 70th week. This can be a double warning, for the Jews of 70 AD to flee, so they wouldn't be killed, but its mostly about the End Time Anti-Christ God wanted the Church in Jerusalem to flee from this 66-70 AD war also.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. {{Jacobs Troubles seen here}} 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. {{ Again a double meaning here, these Four Gospels had to be MEN'S WITNESS,. that why we git four, Jesus said if I testify of myself my testimony is false, he got four men of different upbringings to bear witness unto his life. Ever see the movie "Vantage Point"? Witnesses see things different, which is why Law Enforcement would rather have forensic proof than eyewitness testimony. When we look t the cross alone with get different perspectives, because they we are in different places, John was at Jesus' feet basically !! So, even though we get nuanced Gospels, they all mean the exact same thing. }}

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; {{Asteroid Impact creates incoming Tsunamis}}

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. {{ Satan is cast down to earth at the 1260 Event. }}

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory(1260 days later, not when the Sun & Moon go Dark). 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh (1260 days later we now know).

So, its all the same, no matter which Gospel you jump to brother, I understand them all.

P.S. Now I see why you wanted to SWITCH Gospels, LOL. No difference really.

WHEN WILL THEESE THINGS BE...........That is about the Temples Destruction. Then the Disciples throw in AND.............AND.................AND..............AND what sign will there be when these things come to pass, well why do you not recognize the two Questions Matthew said they asked? Because you want to DODGE that which defeats you !! Sad really. The AND.........as Matthew Shows are about the Coming of Jesus and END OF THE AGE. So, you going to Luke 21 will not save you from that defeat brother, just because Luke doesn't put the definitive questions in his Gospel doesn't mean the questions were not asked just as Matthew stated. (cheap parlor trick I expect from Libs brother. COME ON.)This is why we get the Four Gospels brother. You will never be able to win a debate by trying to bait and switch brother, you lose when you try this automatically tbh.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

You are so confused about those 1260 days. You are trying to run those 1260 days after the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars. The sacrifice taken away happens in the midst of the week as does the AOD. Those that flee to a place of protection for 42 months do so way before the signs of the sun, moon and stars. I think Daniel 12 has confused you.

No, it has you confused, as well as many others. The 1290 CAN NOT happen in the Middle of the Week, because that is the 1260, it happens in the MIDST, or close to the middle of the week. If you were not so closed minded this might sink in on the 50th attempt !! The 1335 is the Two-witnesses, over and over I prove THE TIMING is spot on, yet it sails right over your head, or you just refuse to read it and instead reply, I never know tbh, because people can see but NOT SEE as Jesus stated.

Just a wee bit of common sense tells us the Two-witnesses 1260 day Ordained Office on earth CAN NOT Parallel the Beasts 1260 day Ordained by God office of 1260 days, because the Two-witnesses DIE BEFORE the Beast dies. They die at the 2nd Woe, the Beast dies at the 7th Vial (end of the 3rd Woe). They are the 1335 Blessing that leads Israel unto repentance BEFORE the 1260 DOTL arrives. You are te one who doesn't get it, the 1335 comes 75 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Israel/Jerusalem at the 1260, and 45 days before the False Prophet (a Jewish High Priest gone rogue like Jason under Antiochus) STOPS Jesus Worship (see how that works, Jews REPENT........Rogue False Prophet in league with E.U. President STOPS Jesus Worship who is THE SACRIFICE, not some stupid Meat Sacrifice) and then places an IMAGE of the E.U. President up in the Temple to spite these 5 million Jews who now love Jesus Christ !! Rev. 13 says who places the IMAGE? It says the False Prophet gets the people to make an IMAGE of the Beast, try reading it very carefully !! So, the 1290 is 30 days BEFORE the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth conquering, when the Asteroid Impact happens. Here is what you think as I did for 30 years, but it MAKES ZERO SENSE, that God/Jesus allows the Anti-Christ to conquer Israel/Jerusalem, he then comes into the Temples, DEFILES IT (can't happen until it is CLEANSED, LOL) then places an IMAGE of himself in the Temple at the 1290, even though Rev. 13 says the False Prophet does that, and then he somehow just allows the Jews to flee Judea when his goal is to kill them all !! But alas, why does or would God give the Jews a SIGN after they get CONQUERED, LOL,. that is so nonsensical !! I can not believe I ever bought into this myself tbh. The 1290 happens (MAKES PERFECT SENSE) 30 days BEFORE the 1260 Conquering, this gives the Jews 30 days to FLEE Judea, oh my word, God gives them a 30 day notice so the can flee Judea, that makes way too much sense to be true, lol. So actually, I get it, you don't brother. Then again, this 1290 and 1335 was only given unto me because I did a DEEP DIVE on Dan. 11 and 12, God blesses thosewho seek His deep truths with knowledge.

The 1260 is the Asteroid Impact, God's Wrath FALLS, and ONLY THEN, will he allow the Anti-Christ to go forth conquering, but JUST BEFORE all of this happens the Two-witnesses show up, Israel REPENTS, we see 5 Million Jews come to Jesus their Savior, then we see a False Prophet in league with the E.U. President or the Anti-Christ/Little Horn, who follows his orders because Israel are now (by then) a part of the European Union. That is the Covenant (Agreement) they sign in Dan. 9:27. When you get to heaven and realize EVERYTHING that I told you was true you are going to kick yourself.

LOL. I guess I should have kept reading. I knew Daniel 12 had confused you.

No, it confuses you, but then again ALL Prophecy basically confuses you brother, its not your calling.

The Church is raptured before the tribulation. The tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble. That's Israel.

And as I stated NO ONE will be in Heaven who died during the 70th wee, those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 come out of the Church Age Tribulation, not the 70th week, READ A LITTLE, Rev. 20:4 tells us those are all RAISED after Jesus' Second Coming and rule ON EARTH with Jesus !! And at the 5th Seal which happens during Rev. 8, 9 and 16, we see that those men are given white robes and told them MUST WAIT for a SEASON, (42 months) until all of their brothers have been killed in like manner as they have !! So, Jesus in Seal #5 FORETELLS what the hearts of those who will die during the Beasts soon to come future reign will be thinking in their hearts, because God knows our every thoughts, WOW, think about that !! He knows they want vengeance on "THOSE PEOPE ON EARTH" who killed them !! Not vengeance on dead people. They are the martyred gentiles born again during the 70th week or the Remnant church seen in Rev 12:17.

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened. That's why you see them in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 and seals are opened in Rev 6.
Certainly that will be many foolish virgins that will be in the time of testing. Those not watching and ready.

This reply has NOTHING to do with the point I made. Those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, via the Church Age, not out of the 70th week tribulation or Greatest Ever Troubles.

Mmmm. And you have been doing this 37 years? Mmmm.

Mmmmmmm And you will feel very inadequate in Heaven when you understand you were WRONG on all of these things, you better build up your mansion on things other than Prophesy brother or you will be living in Heaven in a shack. Prophesy is not your calling. Mmmmmmmm