Lambano
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Gee, that doesn't look like Romans 9:13. What is Paul quoting? C'mon, use Bible Gateway's search engine.
God hates the world?
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Genesis 25
34 And Jacob gave Esau bread and stew of lentils; then he ate and drank, arose, and went his way.
Lambano
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Here's another one:
27 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. 31 Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32 If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. -Luke 6:27-36
What else did Jesus lie to us about?
27 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. 31 Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32 If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. -Luke 6:27-36
What else did Jesus lie to us about?
Lambano
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Jesus didn't lie but you are trying hard to be evasive! You said Jacob and Esau are not individuals. Did you lie or do you just not have a clue?
Genesis 25
34 And Jacob gave Esau bread and stew of lentils; then he ate and drank, arose, and went his way.
Evasive!
You said Jacob and Esau are not individuals.
Genesis 27
6 So Rebekah spoke to Jacob her son, saying, "Indeed I heard your father speak to Esau your brother, saying,
Lambano
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Paul isn't quoting Genesis. Look it up! Do I have to do EVERYTHING for you? Who's he quoting?
You can't even admit you are clearly wrong! Jacob and Esau were individual humans.
Lambano
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Then why did you say "In the quoted OT scripture, who are "Jacob" and "Esau"? (Hint: They are not individuals.)
Lambano
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I said, IN THE QUOTED OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE. Which you haven't looked up yet. Nor do you care to.
7 So they answered that they did not know where it came from. 8 And Jesus said to them, “Nor will I tell you by what authority I do these things.” - Luke 20:7-8
Lambano
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I came to the conclusion (after a week of prayer and contemplation) that God's thoughts are complicated. If humans can both love and hate the same thing at the same time, then He in whose image we're made can both love the world and love His enemies and yet hate the world at the same time.
"For, God so loved the world..."
I know what you mean, j/k.
But yeah, we are to love the "people" in the world, just don't join in their ways.
How are you brother?
Lambano
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That's actually a good segue into another point relating to the topic: Another valid translation of the Greek word "touto" in John 3:16 would be, "this way"."For, God so loved the world..."
For God loved the world this way: That He gave His only begotten Son.
Each of the verses I've referred to, from John 3:16 to "love your enemies" to "'How have You loved us?' you ask" (in the verse somebody is too damn lazy to look up) have been accompanied by descriptions of how God shows His love to us. By sending rain and sunshine on His enemies. By protecting His people. By giving up His own Son for our sins.
Anyway, it reminded me that "agape" love is more than feelings; it is a mindset that desires good things for the one loved.
I love Agape, would be so nice if we all Agaped one another! Yes, it is so much more that warm fuzzies, it's need IMHO, when a brother or sister is in need of help, or just plain acknowledging one another with a smile or a hello would go a long way.
Yes, He does send the rain and the sun on both saved and unsaved...He also gives good things to all as well.
His love is inexplicable!
Much Agape brother!
Lambano
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