God LAUGHS at the trinity
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Yes...reading the Bible IS a good idea.
Lord...Jesus
God....I Am
Almighty...Christ
No, commas, ifs, ands, or buts...thee One Lord God Almighty.
Rev 11:
[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
You're defining a word that is not specifically defined in Scripture. Godhead is only used in that one single verse in all of the Bible.
My KJV refers to John 1:14 as explanation for Colossians 2:9 which describes Jesus as The Word and as God.
How about 1 Timothy 3:16 for a definition of Godhead. It makes clear that God Almighty was manifest in the flesh, preached to Gentiles and received up into glory. That is Jesus Christ alone, my friends.
And He IS God Almighty.
God's Word is the meaningful dialogue you demand. If you can't read the Bible for yourself and see that there is no concept of the trinity found anywhere in the book that is the foundation of your professed faith, that is on you. Sounds like your faith is not what you thought it was if what you believe is found nowhere in the Word of God.
Yes. They are not 3 persons.
Do you see 3 persons mentioned here?
John 14:21-23
Do you see more than one person mentioned here?
Luke 24:27
How many persons do you see here?
Jude 25
"25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."
Hundreds of verses like this throughout the Bible and countless pronouns in reference to God in the OT.
Read Isaiah 63:11-16. Special emphasis on verse 16.
"... thou art our Father, ... thou, O LORD, art our Father, our Redeemer; thy Name is from everlasting."
The Father and the Son are the same individual in the Spirit. It is Jesus who is the Savior and the Redeemer. He is the Shepherd (Isaiah 63:11) and His Name is above ALL names in heaven and earth. (Philippians 2:9) HE has ALL POWER in heaven and earth. (Matthew 28:18)
Yes, Jesus is God Almighty and His Spirit is HIMSELF. Romans 8:9-11
Ronald Nolette
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Elohim is plural
Adonai is plural.
Jesus is Yahweh of hosts in Is. 44.
John declared Jesus equal to His Father.
Jesus made everything. Nothing that is made was made apart from Him. so Jesus can't be made.
Jesus is called God
JOhn called Him god
Thomas called Him God
Jesus is worshipped
Jesus is God in human flesh (Emmanuel)
Jesus existed as God before He came to earth as Jesus (phil. 2)
the Holy Spirit is called God in Acts
This the summation list of biblical truths concerning the coined name trinity.
Trinity is a made up word. It was made to show God is different than the ancient "triads". The pagans had three persons with three different "natures" (the satanic counterfeits) While God is three persons who share the exact same essence!
The Shema shows Yahweh is echad (one) which is the one Hebrews used to describe a "compound" one.
Father and son are both first and last!
I already mentioned the wave-particle reality of physics. That appears to be contradictory but is in fact what is observed. But when one looks at water, it can be solid, liquid, and gas at one and the same time. Just take a melting ice cube and see that for yourself. However, the Trinity can only be observed spiritually, and makes no sense to the natural man. And that is the bottom line.
Most of what you've posted here doesn't even contradict anything I've stated.
Elohim is not necessarily plural.
Elohim - Grammar and etymology
In Hebrew, the ending -im normally indicates a masculine plural. However, when referring to the Jewish God, Elohim is usually understood to be grammatically singular (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective).
Elohim - Wikipedia
Adonai is definitely not plural.
If you need to believe in the trinity, go ahead. It's hard to disagree with, and set ourselves apart from, close friends and family members. But that's really what Luke 14:26 is all about.
We must put God, and His Word alone, above all else.
All of these kinds of analogies for the trinity are examples of ONE thing in 3 expressions, characteristics, etc.
That does not align with the official definition of the trinity. It is paramount that people understand that the definition states that God is 3 SEPARATE, and DIFFERENT, persons.
The trinity = the Father IS NOT Jesus, Jesus IS NOT the Father, the Spirit IS NOT either of the others.
That doesn't align with the 3 forms of water or the 3 titles of a man (father, son, brother), etc.
Ice IS water, cloud/fog IS water, etc.
All those analogies are used to comfort the ailing masses that cannot reconcile the trinity doctrine with any logic or Scripture anywhere. If more of those people understood that all of those analogies are FALSE EXPLANATIONS, we wouldn't even have the numbers of professed Christians embracing the trinity today.
They all want to be in agreement with their friends, pastors and family members within their churches so they accept and go along; choosing not to trust their own God-given instincts to deny such nonsense.
2 Thessalonians 2:10
RLT63
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Then how can he have a separate will from the Father and who was he praying to? Luke 22:42
RLT63
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You have no respect for the beliefs of others in fact it sounds like contempt. I'll try to show you more courtesy.
On the contrary, Jesus' will was not separate from the Father's.
John 5:19
John 5:30
In the Garden of Gethsemane, He prayed and asked that He not have to go through what He knew He was about to have to go through out of human fear because He was a man in the flesh in His mission here upon the earth, but He also said 'Thy will be done' at the end of that prayer knowing that He could not deny "HIMSELF." 2 Timothy 2:13
Jesus was praying to the Eternal Source from whence He came.
And why did the Father call Jesus God here? Hebrews 1:8
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Respect for the beliefs of others?
Is that like giving every child a trophy whether they accomplished anything, or were even involved at all, or not?
As Christians, are we to respect the beliefs of satan-worshipers? Are we to respect the beliefs of Atheists?
I often refer to this introduction to the book of Jude in the KJV when topics like this arise. It's more than relevant.
"Fight! Contend! Do battle! When apostasy arises, when false teachers emerge, when the Truth of God is attacked, it is time to fight for the faith. Only believers who are spiritually "in shape" can answer the summons."
Intro to Jude (KJV)
All Christians are to oppose darkness and expose those who are teaching lies, as well as the lies themselves.
Respect others' beliefs? Do you believe that God Almighty respects those who live to oppose everything that He is and that He stands for?
You're a silly, silly man.
RLT63
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RLT63
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No, doesn't use the word 'Godhead' in Gen. 1:1.
Well, let's see 'em so we can eliminate them from your misunderstanding.
It's all about sharpening that iron.
RLT63
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What you have been taught is in error but you can't see it because you are too busy telling everyone else they are wrong. Pentecostal Oneness is not scriptural. It is you who has been deceived but unlike you, I don't condemn you for your error.
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