God talked only to Israelite's saying this-

[tooldtocare]

God talked only to Israelite’s saying this-
The Reckoning

This site was created to cover----
(1) the KJV of God talked directly to the Israelite people telling them how to get His grace.

(2) Biblical verses covering what the Israelite people did to violate His grace.

(3) Actual real time events of Israelite actions violating His teachings

What is you view on what this site says?

Or fails to say?

www.universalknowledge.net

Please say what is on your mind; do not hold back

 

[Windmillcharge]

God talked only to Israelite’s saying this-
The Reckoning

This site was created to cover----
(1) the KJV of God talked directly to the Jewish people telling them how to get His grace.

(2) Biblical verses covering what the Jewish people did to violate His grace.

(3) Actual real time events of Jewish actions violating His teachings

What is you view on what this site says?

Or fails to say?

www.universalknowledge.net

Please say what is on your mind; do not hold back

You haven't said anything of interest to make me want to look at that site.
1 KJV is an english translation of the bible and was never used by God to address Israel.
Your first point is factual incorrect. Learn about Tyndale who translated most of it and of the flexibility with which he translated the same words in many different ways and learn that there is no sacred religous language which we have to read to learn about God.
2 verse covering Jewish violations of Gods teaching. We have all violated Gods teaching, to emphersis any people group is pointless.
3 ditto a pointless activity unless the author is also going to publicly declare his own horrendous failings.

 

[tooldtocare]

You haven't said anything of interest to make me want to look at that site.
1 KJV is an english translation of the bible and was never used by God to address Israel.
Your first point is factual incorrect. Learn about Tyndale who translated most of it and of the flexibility with which he translated the same words in many different ways and learn that there is no sacred religous language which we have to read to learn about God.
2 verse covering Jewish violations of Gods teaching. We have all violated Gods teaching, to emphersis any people group is pointless.
3 ditto a pointless activity unless the author is also going to publicly declare his own horrendous failings.

To begin with, God was not address "Israel". Israel was a person; He was addressing the Israelite people.
And secondly the world will not stop revolving because you refuse to read it.
And lastly, I can assure you I will not lose any sleep if you decide to lock yourself in a closet someplace.

ditto -

 

[DPMartin]

To begin with, God was not address "Israel". Israel was a person; He was addressing the Israelite people.
And secondly the world will not stop revolving because you refuse to read it.
And lastly, I can assure you I will not lose any sleep if you decide to lock yourself in a closet someplace.

ditto -

neither will we if you do as you say.


maybe you should realize that this site is set up to discuss what is said on this site not other sites.

to be clear the message and the salvation was to Israel first and the bible is souly except for maybe the book of Job) written by Hebrews. also written to Israelites except for epistles in the NT to churches of converted gentiles, of which technically are graphed into the promise.

 

[tooldtocare]

neither will we if you do as you say.
maybe you should realize that this site is set up to discuss what is said on this site not other sites.

to be clear the message and the salvation was to Israel first and the bible is souly except for maybe the book of Job) written by Hebrews. also written to Israelites except for epistles in the NT to churches of converted gentiles, of which technically are graphed into the promise.

Then I must ask, does Israel deserve salvation considering their actions to date?
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
A 12 Year old Boy Shot Dead in front of YOUR Eyes

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
Thu., October 28, 2004
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

UN officials: Girl hit by IDF gunfire in UN school in Gaza
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and AP
Tue., October 12, 2004 Tishrei 27, 5765
An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) 7 September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary
Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's
Al-Umariye Elementary Boys' School in Rafah were hit by a bullet from a Israeli tank
In March 2003
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
September 8, 2003
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday morning near the town of Jabaliya, where he liv
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother.
28 July 2003
She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.
She was still in my arms and she died."
'I can't imagine anyone who considers himself a human being can do this'

This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
Tuesday December 23, 2003
Israel Army action breeds fresh hatred

Israel Baby is born then dies
September 11, 2003
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
Siege off Nablus
January, 2004
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house. The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead
Tue., October 05, 2004
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/485274.html

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."
http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html
http://tinyurl.com/8rmn2g3


Now after reviewing the above do you believe the Israelis’ are living up to God’s expectations of them?

If you were in God’s shoes, what would you do?​

-

 

[Jay Ross]

Sadly, in a conflict where both sides have guns it is easy to blame the other party for the carnage. What is not told in your examples are the back story associated with each of the deaths mentioned. We need to be very careful of the propaganda values placed on these example to discredit the other party.

In Genesis 15:16a, it tells us that the descendants of Abraham would return during the fourth age of their existence from the birth of Isaac, and as far as I know, 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac a number of Abraham's descendants returned to the land without the help of God. They returned in their own strength.

In Genesis 15:16b, it tells us that when Abraham's descendants return to the land that the full iniquity of the Amorite people, i.e. the surrounding nations of people who live around the present day area of land occupied by Israel, was not at that time fully complete. As time passes, though, the iniquity of the Amorite people is coming closer and closer to being fully complete.

Now we know that the first portion of this prophecy has been fulfilled, which tells us that if the first portion of the verse is true, then the second portion of this verse will also be fulfilled, when the iniquity of the Amorite people is complete and God's judgement rains down upon the Amorite people.

I would rather see that the Amorite people repent of their iniquities and live, than to see the wrath of God rain down on this people group.

Shalom

 

[mjrhealth]

Israel deserve salvation

What a crazy idea. mankind deserving salvation... we dont thats why God had to go through all this.. no one not any one not even Israel deserve salvation..neither have we ever earned it.....

 

[Stranger]

Now after reviewing the above do you believe the Israelis’ are living up to God’s expectations of them?

If you were in God’s shoes, what would you do?​

-

Of course Israel isn't living up to God's expectations for them. If they were they would turn to Jesus Christ as their Messiah. They would kick out all the Palestinians and muslims. They would destroy the dome of the rock and began rebuilding the Temple.

God is already doing what He wants to do.

Stanger

 

[DPMartin]

Then I must ask, does Israel deserve salvation considering their actions to date?
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
A 12 Year old Boy Shot Dead in front of YOUR Eyes

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
Thu., October 28, 2004
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

UN officials: Girl hit by IDF gunfire in UN school in Gaza
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and AP
Tue., October 12, 2004 Tishrei 27, 5765
An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) 7 September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary
Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's
Al-Umariye Elementary Boys' School in Rafah were hit by a bullet from a Israeli tank
In March 2003
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
September 8, 2003
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday morning near the town of Jabaliya, where he liv
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother.
28 July 2003
She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.
She was still in my arms and she died."
'I can't imagine anyone who considers himself a human being can do this'

This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
Tuesday December 23, 2003
Israel Army action breeds fresh hatred

Israel Baby is born then dies
September 11, 2003
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
Siege off Nablus
January, 2004
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house. The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead
Tue., October 05, 2004
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/485274.html

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."
http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html
http://tinyurl.com/8rmn2g3


Now after reviewing the above do you believe the Israelis’ are living up to God’s expectations of them?

If you were in God’s shoes, what would you do?​

-

why are you telling us you are more deserving? are you telling us your judgement is better, wiser and more righteous then the Almighty's Judgements? you expect us to buy into your self made justification of your own judgement as good?

 

[tooldtocare]

Sadly, in a conflict where both sides have guns it is easy to blame the other party for the carnage. What is not told in your examples are the back story associated with each of the deaths mentioned.

In this case I do not use the term "sadly" to describe your twisted words; I us Disgusting. You could have been a great speech writer for Hitler. The deliberate murdering of innocent children by IFD sharpshooters is a war crime and those who played a part in this genocide should be hanged by the neck until dead. I only ask that it take no less than 10 minutes to complete.
"

We need to be very careful of the propaganda values placed on these example..,

When you say "we" you are speaking of you and like minded heathens; of which I am not a part of.

Now we know that the first portion of this prophecy has been fulfilled, which tells us that if the first portion of the verse is true, then the second portion of this verse will also be fulfilled,

Yes, indeed it will------
(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. (Note: they have been gathered)

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

I would rather see that the Amorite people repent of their iniquities and live, than to see the wrath of God rain down on this people group.

That may have been then but today it reads like this-----------

I would rather see that the Israeli's people repent of their iniquities and live, than to see the wrath of God rain down on this people group.

God would forgive them, if, and only if they repent but the clock is ticking and the time of judgement is coming in our lifetime. You my friend will live to see it.

 

[tooldtocare]

why are you telling us you are more deserving? are you telling us your judgement is better, wiser and more righteous then the Almighty's Judgements? you expect us to buy into your self made justification of your own judgement as good?

This has nothing to do with me and you know it. Using me as your escape goat doesn't fly. And since you are using the term "us"; who be you?

 

[Jay Ross]

In this case I do not use the term "sadly" to describe your twisted words; I us Disgusting. You could have been a great speech writer for Hitler. The deliberate murdering of innocent children by IFD sharpshooters is a war crime and those who played a part in this genocide should be hanged by the neck until dead. I only ask that it take no less than 10 minutes to complete.
"


When you say "we" you are speaking of you and like minded heathens; of which I am not a part of.



Yes, indeed it will------
(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. (Note: they have been gathered)

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.



That may have been then but today it reads like this-----------

I would rather see that the Israeli's people repent of their iniquities and live, than to see the wrath of God rain down on this people group.

God would forgive them, if, and only if they repent but the clock is ticking and the time of judgement is coming in our lifetime. You my friend will live to see it.

It seems to me that you have an axe to grind. I quoted scripture correctly concerning the return of some of Abraham's descendants to the land of Canaan and what would be the situation in the land with respect to the Amorite people.

You on the other hand have misquoted scripture and not applied it in the context in which it was written.

If you want to take the high moral ground, then the basis of your argument needs to be correctly grounded in scripture and not be a miss quote/ miss application of scripture.

The back story is what interests me and the killing can stop if both sides want it too. Which side no you think is willing to stop? Oh and make sure your response is backed up with the truth.

 

[DPMartin]

This has nothing to do with me and you know it. Using me as your escape goat doesn't fly. And since you are using the term "us"; who be you?

yes it does, your posting has everything to do with your judgement of what is good and evil, and that we should agree with your judgement. and no there's no need for escaping anything. if you don't like God showing favor to the Israelites take it up with Him.

 

[tooldtocare]

yes it does, your posting has everything to do with your judgement of what is good and evil

I have an opinion but I do not have the right to judge; that is reserved to the Lord.

and that we should agree with your judgement.

Again you repeat the term "judgement". I think you have it backwards, it is you who is doing the judging, not me.

and no there's no need for escaping anything. if you don't like God showing favor to the Israelites take it up with Him.

Finally we see eye to eye. God did show favor to the Israelites.

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

(Deu 7:9 KJV) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

((Deu 7:11 KJV) Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

DPMartin, now it is your turn to tell the truth. Are they keeping the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them?

A yes or no will do -

 

[Jay Ross]

I have an opinion but I do not have the right to judge; that is reserved to the Lord.


Again you repeat the term "judgement". I think you have it backwards, it is you who is doing the judging, not me.



Finally we see eye to eye. God did show favor to the Israelites.

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

(Deu 7:9 KJV) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

((Deu 7:11 KJV) Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

DPMartin, now it is your turn to tell the truth. Are they keeping the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them?

A yes or no will do -

The bible tells us that they will still be involved in idolatrous worship right up and until they repent of their sins in our near future when the 2,300 years of the heathen Gentiles trampling the Sanctuary of God has run its full course in time. Romans 11:25-26. The event that marks the judgement of the Nations at the end of the 2,300 years is Armageddon and when the nation of Israel see Jesus Judging the nations in battle near Jerusalem. Then, they will seek His terms of Peace. Luke 14:32-32, such that Jesus becomes the mediator of the Newer form of the Covenant of a Nation of Priests and a Holy Nation and God's special possession of people among the nations. Hebrews 12:24. However, to begin seeing these things, there is a lot of poor English translation of the Original texts to be corrected so that we can actually learn the truth.

But is your understanding of the original intended context of the writings of the scriptures perfect? Examples I have seen displayed by you would seem to indicate otherwise.

Shalom

 

[tooldtocare]

However, to begin seeing these things, there is a lot of poor English translation of the Original texts to be corrected so that we can actually learn the truth.

As a bystander, a circumcised bystander and one who has read the scriptures; i.e. the verses in question I noticed that they are referred to as a future event; as in “I will” or They shall”.

(Deu 7:11 KJV) Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

But should they not follow His teachings I found this----------

(Jer 24:9 KJV) And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

Historically speaking they were scattered just as the text states. Then I found this------------

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

They were officially gathered in 1947ad.

I believe in real time we are witnesses to their judgement day.

Any bets on the final outcome?

 

[Jay Ross]

<snip>

Historically speaking they were scattered just as the text states. Then I found this------------

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

They were officially gathered in 1947ad.

I believe in real time we are witnesses to their judgement day.

Any bets on the final outcome?

If we look at Ezekiel 36:24, it does not say, "and will bring you into your own land." A better paraphrase is: - ""and will bring you into your own soil/field." The parable of the Sower springs to mind. This Chapter then goes on to speak of the renewing/making like new again of the Kingdom of Priests, and a Holy Nations, My possession among the Nations covenant. which can be linked to Jeremiah 31:31ff.

If we also look at Ezekiel 34:13, it states the following: - 13 And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the earth/countries and will bring them to their own field {land}; I will feed them on the mountain of Israel, in the valleys and in all the inhabited places of the earth/countries.

If we accept the above paraphrase, then God will gather all of Israel and plant them in their own field/{land}/soil, and He will feed them on the Mountain that comes down out of heaven as a rock and grows into the Great Mountain that will fill the whole earth. This rock that Grows into a mountain of Israel, that fills the whole earth is written about in Daniel 2:34-35 and 44-45a and it appears at the same time that God establishes His everlasting Kingdom on the earth, and the timing of God establishing His Kingdom and the Rock coming down out of heaven is just after the Armageddon event when God Judges the wicked fallen heavenly hosts/beasts and the kings of the nations of the earth.

Your statement that 1947 was when God gathered Israel in the land, is not true. They returned in their own strength, just as God prophesised to Abraham in Genesis 15:16. The Bible does not indicate that at this present time, Israel will be regathered to come into the land that was promised to their fathers. If Israel, as a nation, is to become a Kingdom of Priests and a Holy Nation and God's possession among the nations then they must remain scattered among the nations during the millennium Age to be God's priests to the nations and to teach the nations about the Kingdom of God and how they can receive their Salvation from the Lord. Their story will be their witness to the nation of the world as to how God has redeemed them and healed them and has made them to be a blessing to all of the nations.

Your claims in your posts are based on poor scholarship of the translators and a focus of God Giving Israel their inheritance of the land promised to their fathers. In reality, God promised their fathers that their inheritance would be the whole earth, just as our inheritance as Son of God through Jesus Christ is also the earth. That does not happen until Satan is judged as described in Daniel 7:26 and Revelation 20:7-10.

Sadly, more scholarship is required, particularly myself, to unravel the poor traditional translations that have become entrenched within our English translations today.

Yes these prophetic scriptures are written to and about Israel, but Israel's role in the Millennium Age is to be a blessing to all of the nations of the earth. That can only happen if the Israelites remains scattered throughout the whole earth to be God's Holy Priesthood among the Nations during the Millennium Age which is also the Age of the Great Harvest which is to be brought in during the last Age. (Ezekiel 47:1-12.)

Do I want to make a wager with you on the final outcome? Not really, as it would be like taking your money without any effort on my part, because you understanding is based on flawed translations and commentaries.

Shalom

 

[tooldtocare]

Do I want to make a wager with you on the final outcome? Not really, as it would be like taking your money without any effort on my part, because you understanding is based on flawed translations and commentaries.
Shalom

I know you want me to believe that; or maybe you are trying to convince yourself but the verses are clear enough. They were scattered and then gathered to be judged for the last time. History have documented their scattering and history has recorded their gathering. We will see the final chapter in our life time; for good or bad.
And for what it is worth, there never was a place called Israel; that is until 1947.

The choice is theirs to make. The end is near, they can either repent or-----

Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

The one gift given to them is the gift of choice; I pray they make the right choice

(Deu 10:18 KJV) He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

 

[Jay Ross]

I know you want me to believe that; or maybe you are trying to convince yourself but the verses are clear enough. They were scattered and then gathered to be judged for the last time. History have documented their scattering and history has recorded their gathering. We will see the final chapter in our life time; for good or bad.
And for what it is worth, there never was a place called Israel; that is until 1947.

The choice is theirs to make. The end is near, they can either repent or-----

Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

The one gift given to them is the gift of choice; I pray they make the right choice

(Deu 10:18 KJV) He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

I assume that you are writing about Israel and that Israelites will be judged soon and will become fuel for the fire based on your understanding of Ezekiel 21:32.

Ezekiel 21 32 is addressed towards who? Let the scriptures speak for themselves.
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Ezekiel 21:28-32 A Sword Against the Ammonites

28 "And you, son of man, prophesy and say, 'Thus says the Lord God concerning the Ammonites and concerning their reproach,' and say:
'A sword, a sword is drawn,
Polished for slaughter,
For consuming, for flashing —
29 While they see false visions for you,
While they divine a lie to you,
To bring you on the necks of the wicked, the slain
Whose day has come,
Whose iniquity shall end.
30 'Return it to its sheath.
I will judge you
In the place where you were created,
In the land of your nativity.
31 I will pour out My indignation on you;
I will blow against you with the fire of My wrath,
And deliver you into the hands of brutal men who are skillful to destroy.
32 You shall be fuel for the fire;
Your blood shall be in the midst of the land.
You shall not be remembered,
For I the Lord have spoken.'"
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It seems to me from this portion of Ezekiel 21:28-32 that this passage is not addressed to the Israelite nation as you are suggesting and you are forcing a wrong conclusion.

It seems to me that this is not the only false claim that you are making.

 

[brakelite]

I don't think God gives any more or less consideration to Israel than He does Turkmenistan or Angola or Canada. The final battle between good and evil that brings about the final plagues is not about a tiny insignificant nation in the middle east. It is a battle between all the nations of the earth and the church.
ARE YOU READY FOR THIS????

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

So, in verse 6 above we have a growing escalation in the troubles. At first, rumors, then in verse 7, actual war. Nations against nations…kingdom against kingdom. On top of that is added famine, pestilence, and other natural disasters. For the true follower of Jesus, these are the beginning of sorrows. These things have indeed begun, and for those of us who have compassion and love for our fellow man, these times are indeed a sorrowful time. In particular, we witness terrorism in many places, and we are horrified by the acts of atrocity being perpetrated against so many innocent people, by a variety of groups, and in so many different ways. But notice verse 9, things are going to change. Where the nations were at each others throats…where there were factions and sects and revolutionary groups attacking one another through verses 6-8, and they being the beginning of sorrows, in verse 9 all of a sudden we are presented with those very same groups, the “they”, being all the powers previously mentioned in verse 7, joining together, uniting under a common banner, to do to God’s people what they had been formerly doing to each other. This is the real sorrow.
There is a power who is today guiding the current events of violence and war. At the moment that power is arming both sides, inciting the conflict, for the sole purpose to bring about the union spoken of in verse 9. And when that union is complete, that power will then turn on the only group of people who have not joined in this unholy union of church and state, spoken of so revealingly in the book of Revelation…Babylon the Great.
That power is the Vatican, and it is through her agents, the Jesuits, that she is controlling the present “controlled crisis” and it will be those same Jesuits who will turn against the true followers of Jesus when the time is right.

Are you ready for this? Are you a true follower of Jesus, or will you join in the coming Vatican sponsored UN globalist agenda and persecute those who disagree with your agenda?