God's Desire is that All Men be Saved!

[reformed1689]

That's not what scripture says. It says he is not willing than any should perish.

Read it in context. It is talking about the elect, not all people. If he did not will that any, meaning all people, to perish then nobody would perish. But we know that is not the case.

 

[reformed1689]

God gives us free wills. We are accountable for our actions on earth.
Those who reject Jesus will go to hell.
Yet, God is merciful. Who knows what He will do in the end?

He already told us.

 

[Renniks]

Read it in context. It is talking about the elect, not all people. If he did not will that any, meaning all people, to perish then nobody would perish. But we know that is not the case.

I do read it in context and it still means all people.
If I write a letter to a group of believers saying that God doesn't want anyone to go to hell, why would they read it as only applying to them?

The only reason you have to think that all would be saved because God willed it, is if you think God always gets his way. That is plainly not the case. If God always got his way, this world would still be a paradise and there would be no sin.

 

[reformed1689]

That is plainly not the case. If God always got his way, this world would still be a paradise and there would be no sin.

How do you know that? You certainly don't find that in Scripture.

 

[reformed1689]

I do read it in context and it still means all people.
If I write a letter to a group of believers saying that God doesn't want anyone to go to hell, why would they read it as only applying to them?

No, post the verses and I will show you how you are not reading it in context.

 

[Renniks]

How do you know that? You certainly don't find that in Scripture.

"Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

God's will is obviously not always done here as it is in heaven, otherwise why would Jesus tell us to pray that God's will be done?

 

[reformed1689]

"Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

God's will is obviously not always done here as it is in heaven, otherwise why would Jesus tell us to pray that God's will be done?

That is to put OUR posture to be in line with God's will. It has nothing to do with God not always getting His will accomplished.

 

[Renniks]

That is to put OUR posture to be in line with God's will. It has nothing to do with God not always getting His will accomplished.

Lol. So, you agree, that our will can run counter to God's will. If that's the case, then God's will is not always done.

 

[reformed1689]

Lol. So, you agree, that our will can run counter to God's will. If that's the case, then God's will is not always done.

No, actually that is not what I said. Nor is it what that means.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

That's not what scripture says. It says he is not willing than any should perish.

It does not say that anywhere Rennicks.
God is very willing that multitudes perish.
You omit the phrase ....to usward... in 2 pet3:9
My friend, that is the elect sheep, not one of them will perish.

 

[reformed1689]

It does not say that anywhere Rennicks.
God is very willing that multitudes perish.
You omit the phrase ....to usward... in 2 pet3:9
My friend, that is the elect sheep, not one of them will perish.

It is typical of those who cannot see the wrath of God in sync with the love of God to make these errors. They believe, God is love, therefore God does not condemn anyone because nobody out of love would send someone to Hell.

 

[Renniks]

It does not say that anywhere Rennicks.
God is very willing that multitudes perish.
You omit the phrase ....to usward... in 2 pet3:9
My friend, that is the elect sheep, not one of them will perish.

It's exactly what it says. The only reason you believe us means a limited number of people is because you come to the text with the presupposition that that is true.
Besides it makes no sense if you believe in eternal security to say God's not willing any elect should fail to repent, when in your theology they are all predetermined to be saved.

 

[Renniks]

It is typical of those who cannot see the wrath of God in sync with the love of God to make these errors. They believe, God is love, therefore God does not condemn anyone because nobody out of love would send someone to Hell.

No one is arguing that hell doesn't exist, or that people won't end up there.

 

[Renniks]

No, actually that is not what I said. Nor is it what that means.

So, your will is always in perfectly alignment with God's? Only Jesus did God's will all the time.

 

[reformed1689]

It's exactly what it says. The only reason you believe us means a limited number of people is because you come to the text with the presupposition that that is true.
Besides it makes no sense if you believe in eternal security to say God's not willing any elect should fail to repent, when in your theology they are all predetermined to be saved.

Again, POST THE VERSES and I will show you how you are NOT reading it in context.

 

[reformed1689]

So, your will is always in perfectly alignment with God's? Only Jesus did God's will all the time.

Also not what I said. Would you like to continue with the strawman arguments?

 

[reformed1689]

No one is arguing that hell doesn't exist, or that people won't end up there.

Then obviously God wills some to perish.

 

[Renniks]

Again, POST THE VERSES and I will show you how you are NOT reading it in context.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Yes... most will be reconciled (made God's friend) through the Lake of Fire. In God's mercy
and Love he established the Lake of Fire to purify the believers that received a Passover
experience @ the Great White Throne. In other words, when they finally saw God, they
believed and received their justification, but they still had to go through their fiery trials in
the Lake of Fire, which will bring them their sanctification. At the end of their Lake of Fire
experience they will receive their glorification and God will be all in all.

Now we can understand what Paul meant in Colossians 1:20.

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe

The above is utter nonsense. Do tell, how did you come up with this misinterpretation, and please, don't blame it on God.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

It's exactly what it says. The only reason you believe us means a limited number of people is because you come to the text with the presupposition that that is true.
Besides it makes no sense if you believe in eternal security to say God's not willing any elect should fail to repent, when in your theology they are all predetermined to be saved.

Nope, he actually used context to come up with that truth.