No. We sin less and less and we grow more and more. But whether someone commits a sin or not is not what determines whether they are a Christian.
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Waiting on him
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Salvation in my opinion has nothing to do with what I can or will do, rather what God has done.
In going to Romans 4:12, you would be neglecting to see what is written in Romans 4:11...
Rom 4:11, And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Righteousness is imputed even to the one who is not spiritually circumcised; to the one who is not fully obedient, and to the one who has not had the foreskin of sin taken away in complete sanctification; but who relies completely on the forgiveness of Christ.
Also, clearly, Romans 4:4-5 teaches us that the Lord imputes righteousness apart from works to him who worketh not, because of faith. And since this cannot be disputed, you should realize that the context of any singular verse does not ever nullify the plain meaning of that verse; and that this is a first rule of hermeneutics; because the scripture never contradicts itself..
Also, in Romans 4:12, the ones who are required to walk in Abraham's steps are those who are spiritually circumcised. These have made a commitment to walk in holiness and the Lord requires holiness of them therefore. But those who are not spiritually circumcised are in a different category. But I would say also, that the circumcised spiritually are not required to walk in Abraham's steps; but that they will walk in Abraham's steps because they are spiritually circumcised.
In 1 John 1:7 it says that if we walk in the light as He is in the light...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son "continually cleanseth us from all sin." This indicates that sin is coming in from the outside on a regular basis and we need to be cleansed all over again when it does; and that this only happens when we walk in the light (stay transparent before the Lord). In John chapter 13, Jesus girded Himself with a towel and proceeded to wash the disciples' feet. Our whole person does not need to be washed; but our feet need to be washed from time to time; because dirt gets on our feet as we walk around out there in the real world.
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If I am speaking to a Church that is mixed with one belief, and the other half has the same beliefs as I do, I would speak to them as "we" where we needed correction. It in no way implies that Christians or myself are guilty of that sin. It's just a normal usage of language when speaking to mixed crowd.
The present tense "cleansing" is conditioned upon a present tense "walking in the light as He is in the light."
Under what stretch of the imagination is constant sinning "walking in the light as He is in the light"?
CharismaticLady
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Why ask me? Why not ask Jesus? John 14:15
My question would be, why are you so proud of it that you would continue?
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We simply need to have our feet washed from time to time; and Jesus does this when we confess our sins (walk in the light as He is in the light).
None of that is the point of this.
For some reason you seem averse towards a practical application of your soteriology.
Maybe something to think about.
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Why would you think I'd be proud of the works of the flesh?
You assume I'm proud of this . . . is that assumption from the spirit, or the flesh?
Again . . . something key to understanding this.
Is making wrong assumptions about others something that finds its source in the Spirit, or from the flesh?
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CharismaticLady
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Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate.
HI Canididus,
What Scriptures would you point to that would show the Biblical meaning of "walking in the light"?
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You may benefit from actually engaging with the things I'm saying, instead of side-stepping them. But that's all up to you.
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CharismaticLady
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marks, I know exactly what you are trying to do, and it is hypocritical to think they are said with Much love!
Actually, it is my love for you that leads me to continue in this discussion.
So tell me . . . what am I trying to do? My end goal?
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CharismaticLady
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Waiting on him
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My question is why do some believe Jesus came to save our flesh, when He didn’t save His own?
Waiting on him
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One of the things I'm trying to accomplish is to help you to see the inner inconsistencies with your view.
Perhaps you might take a look here . . . Sin
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So when the Lord said the following he did not mean it?
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 ¶ As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
"IF" means "upon the conditions that"
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