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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by ScottA, Jul 30, 2019.

  1. Stan B

    Stan B Active Member

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    Nope! He did not leave earth in a human body, but an eternal resurrection body, and He will return the same way!
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Where do you believe heaven is, Stan?
     
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    historyb Active Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I have a high view of Scripture as do all Traditional Christians. I am not a Protestant, for instance I do not protest the Catholic or the Orthodox Church. I do not affirm Faith alone, Scripture alone, or any of the solas from the reformation. For some more info on the five solas:

    The Five Solas - Points from the Past that Should Matter to You

    And as far as the OP (Original post) no I do not believe Jesus has come back yet but will someday
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    I’d love to talk about it, but in this thread it’d be way of topic. Wouldn’t you agree
     
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    historyb Active Member

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    Yep :)
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Are you interested to see what @Stan B s idea of where heaven is?
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    I’ll say though, I had no idea there were Solas, you taught me something
    Thanks.
     
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    The fact that I am looking for Him to come again in the flesh in no way means that I don't think He came in the flesh the first time!

    That should've been obvious.

    You should consider that Jesus will not drink of the fruit of the vine until He drinks it new with us in the kingdom.

    Also, John 2:19-21 finds Jesus predicting that He will rise bodily from the dead. I suppose you think He was lying?

    Colossians 2:9 places Jesus as God dwelling bodily in human flesh.

    Luke 24:42-43 (kjv) has Jesus eating a piece of broiled fish and honeycomb after rising from the dead.

    In Acts 1:9-11, Jesus ascends bodily into heaven; and the angels declare that He will return in like manner as He went up.

    When all is said and done, He will drink wine with us new in the kingdom. The wine He is referring to in the passage, is the same, physical, wine, that they were all drinking at the Last Supper.

    This indicates a physical body that the Lord will be able to partake of wine in.

    See above.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    See Acts 1:9-11.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    I really never thought that I would have to deal with modern-day gnostics in my doctrinal battles. I really did think that that religion was dead.

    But, apparently, it is alive and well in the minds of some of the people on these boards.

    1 John 4:1-3 and 2 John 1:7 is the test of whether someone is a Christian or a gnostic.

    Gnostics do not believe that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh; Christians do.
     
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  11. Stan B

    Stan B Active Member

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    I don't know where Heaven is. I checked my GPS, and doesn't seem to be a local entity.

    It seems to be a place that will be home to "a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb" Rev 7
     
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    See Acts 1:9-11.
     
  13. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    No, what is obvious, is that you do not believe He "finished" what He came to do in the flesh, even though He said He did.
    Why do you consider drinking new wine in the flesh to be better than drinking new wine in the spirit, in glory? Anyway, you are wrong, the scriptures say "in glory."
    John 2:19-21
    19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
    20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
    21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body
    ."​

    Yes...and He did. But that was not Him ascending/going to the Father. That is not the resurrection of prophecy, the promise of eternal life. That is proof of His power over life and death in heaven and earth. But that is all.

    The actual resurrection unto eternal life, is not a worldly hybrid evolution of the flesh, it is the spirit of God "returning to God who gave it." The flesh "returns to the dust" and "is burned with fervent heat and with fire."
    You have been "cheated." Read also verse 8, which warns against your thinking as men of flesh and as the world thinks, not accrediting to Christ all the glory of God, whom is spirit:

    8 "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ."

    ...On the contrary, I accredit Him with all glory.
    Again, that speaks of Jesus rising bodily from the dead--not going to the Father, not ascending unto glory.
    We just covered this: Jesus went "to the Father" whom "is spirit", which "no man has seen except the Son"--they only saw Him leave, that's all. They did not see His body enter the kingdom of God, "for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom." Surely, you have read all of what I am repeating to you, that these things are true. This is not me talking...this is what is written.
    You are drawing your own conclusions by "your own understanding", not accounting for all that is written. It doesn't say that. That is just you speculating.
     
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  14. ScottA

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    Hi Stan,

    You won't find where heaven is in Acts 1:9-11. Look rather at Luke 17:21:

    Luke 17:21
    "nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.
     
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    Acts 2:1-3 KJV
    [1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. [2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. [3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.


    https://tbibl.es/1lm
    Would you agree He returns in like manner??
     
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    I pray He changes that soon Stan.
     
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    Acts 2:3 KJV
    [3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.


    Tecarta Bible
    This word cloven, just realized, means to. Greek: διαμερίζω
    Transliteration: diamerizō
    Pronunciation: dee-am-er-id'-zo
    Definition: From G1223 and G3307; to partition thoroughly (literally in distribution figuratively in dissension): - cloven divide part.
    Jesus just separated these men from the flesh( a sword )
    Partition thoroughly!
    Circumcising the heart!
    Cutting to the asunder!
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Separated unto God the Father!
     
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    Christ has returned!
     
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    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for your witness!

    I pray that more experience His return according to His will and plan "each in his own order" as they are drawn, that they open the door when He knocks. And that the eyes of those blinded by the teachings of men would be opened sooner, rather than later. Amen.
     
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