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LOL, like the prophet Elijah we can run away from our "Jezebel-like" enemies and try to hide ourselves in a cave:PS to my last post.
The ONLY time that it is valid to leave anywhere , be it town, city , or country, is like did Abraham...by the hearing of the ear...by the divine Word of God.
Other than that, we are the diver of our lives, not Father God.
"In Him we live and move and have our being..."
I was watching the White House breifing today. I don't know why.. Jen Psaki just amazes me for some reason.I understand not everyone here is from the United States. But for those who do live there, such as myself, American society has become ever more secular, materialistic and increasingly hostile to Christianity and its associated family values - there are rising divorce rates, increasing amount of vulgarity and violence in popular culture such as Hollywood, mental illnesses, a drastic rise in violent crime in recent years, mass shootings, substance abuse and drug addiction problems, joblessness, and of course, faith and spirituality both seem to be in very heavy decline.
There is a definite sense of lack of real purpose and deeper meaning in life and existence for so many Americans today, a kind of nihilistic and jaded self-absorption - there is no real deeper moral compass to anchor them as they travel through the myriad complexities of an ever increasingly complicated and fragmented society. And of course, the ongoing political problems, amidst all this recent chaos and confusion - both parties seem to hate each other more than ever, so much that I must wonder whether the two-party system itself is somehow outdated or becoming flawed.
Is it not telling that most Americans despise each other more than they do any other country nowadays? Is ANY other society quite this deeply divided and polarized as we are now? Add that to that entire complicated mess in Afghanistan (even Democrats are no longer as supportive of Joe Biden after recent developments) - and we have a very sad situation, objectively speaking. All of this has, quite honestly, disillusioned me for quite a while now, not just one or two different issues or problems, but all of them piled on top of each other.
I do believe that change is necessary for any society - but what most people forget is that it is possible for a society to "regress" as well as "progress" - or that not all change is necessarily for the better in the long run. And sometimes, seeing so much darkness and mutual hatred almost everywhere I look, I cannot help but wonder whether America is a fallen nation already.
In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/03/29/church-membership-fallen-below-majority/
My brothers and sisters in Christ, what do you think? Do you think these concerns are valid? Do you think it is legitimate to consider leaving the United States, for another country?
I understand not everyone here is from the United States. But for those who do live there, such as myself, American society has become ever more secular, materialistic and increasingly hostile to Christianity and its associated family values - there are rising divorce rates, increasing amount of vulgarity and violence in popular culture such as Hollywood, mental illnesses, a drastic rise in violent crime in recent years, mass shootings, substance abuse and drug addiction problems, joblessness, and of course, faith and spirituality both seem to be in very heavy decline.
There is a definite sense of lack of real purpose and deeper meaning in life and existence for so many Americans today, a kind of nihilistic and jaded self-absorption - there is no real deeper moral compass to anchor them as they travel through the myriad complexities of an ever increasingly complicated and fragmented society. And of course, the ongoing political problems, amidst all this recent chaos and confusion - both parties seem to hate each other more than ever, so much that I must wonder whether the two-party system itself is somehow outdated or becoming flawed.
Is it not telling that most Americans despise each other more than they do any other country nowadays? Is ANY other society quite this deeply divided and polarized as we are now? Add that to that entire complicated mess in Afghanistan (even Democrats are no longer as supportive of Joe Biden after recent developments) - and we have a very sad situation, objectively speaking. All of this has, quite honestly, disillusioned me for quite a while now, not just one or two different issues or problems, but all of them piled on top of each other.
I do believe that change is necessary for any society - but what most people forget is that it is possible for a society to "regress" as well as "progress" - or that not all change is necessarily for the better in the long run. And sometimes, seeing so much darkness and mutual hatred almost everywhere I look, I cannot help but wonder whether America is a fallen nation already.
In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/03/29/church-membership-fallen-below-majority/
My brothers and sisters in Christ, what do you think? Do you think these concerns are valid? Do you think it is legitimate to consider leaving the United States, for another country?
Placing oneself in harm's way is the way of the gospel, but one shouldn't be seeking trouble. Or staying in trouble places. We can move to rural areas and go to the cities to minister.Staying in place during societal collapse is NOT 'dying for Jesus.'
Yes, I've considered becoming an expatriot when I'm older, although not for any reasons like yours I am not too concerned with the politics here. Mainly to either a) live in a much cheaper place while working online (therefore my money will go far further and make my life easier) like the Philippines or b) live in Europe and be closer to the holy places of old there and the Holy Land, while getting free University and healthcare, not to mention it just being filled with beautiful history to look at there. Not sure if I will permanently ever leave though and not just experience another place for a decade or so if possible. I do still love the place.
If politics and our situation is a concern for someone I'd also think it's valid to leave and consider it.
LOL, like the prophet Elijah we can run away from our "Jezebel-like" enemies and try to hide ourselves in a cave:
"And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away." I Kings 19:9-10
Elijah, a man of flesh feared for his life and ran away, but God was there to ask him, "What doest thou here, Elijah?"
Do any of us suppose that our pleasure, happiness and comfort in this society of men of flesh are the most important things in our sojourn here as men? God had work for Jesus? Does He not have work for us?
"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." John 9:4-5
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world..." John 17:11
"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matt 5:14-16
What about the land of the kangaroo?
In all honesty, if you want a conservative country, take a pick out of a few pacific island nations, some African nations or some Latin-American nations, even then though there is still corruption in those nations, I don't know if there is one country free of corruption. Some may not have abortions or euthanasia or other sin legalized, but the crime rates can be higher, El Salvador or Nicaragua may have a conservative government, Brazil may have a conservative government, Nigeria may have a conservative government, but look at how much corruption is in those countries and the governments don't look after the civilians that well in tough times, compared to UK or Australia where you can get government support and good affordable healthcare.
.....My question would be - where would you go?
As we are now under a one world government , there is NO "save place" to go!!
When Watchman Nee was in prison he could not escape , he said ..."When a child of God is feeling trapped, the only way of escape is UPWARD into the Spirit.
That is the only "safe place"for us.
My two cents
That's my point also. No place is better. No nations on this earth were better regarding freedoms than the UK, The USA, Canada Australia and what was known as the Commonwealth nations. But the UK as much as hissed their empire away like pansies and the USA is degrading itself to the piggish mire of progressivism and other such doctrines. There is nobody left. However, this is how its prophesied to be in the end times and as we experienced before, our nations will again. That's when I have to agree with Nee that when we see these things, look up for your redemption draws nigh. But for this earth and especially us, things are not looking pretty at all.
Staying in place during societal collapse is NOT 'dying for Jesus.'
I've been hearing for years that if I'm conservative and a Christian, I'm the problem so you haven't said anything new. And meanwhile, I live my quiet life of trust.
Edit: answering backlits post