I'm having a hard time forgiving you right now...!Again, you are judging Trump with ZERO proof. Do you forgive Trump?
Luke 6:37 (NKJV)
37 Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
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I'm having a hard time forgiving you right now...!Again, you are judging Trump with ZERO proof. Do you forgive Trump?
Luke 6:37 (NKJV)
37 Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
There are many metaphors and analogies for the place of eternal death, in the Bible. So yes, it can cause confusion to the hyper-literalists. Every alteration in description leads them to believe that there are more than one place, or interim periods, of judgement.It doesn't appear to me that outer darkness is hell, but some metaphor. Is there scripture linking outer darkness to a hell?
And BTW we have spirit prison that Jesus visited 1 Peter 3:18-19.
And we have the lake of fire, and I think they are different, for the lake of fire is "prepared" for the devil and his angels. It doesn't say anything like that about spirit prison.
And we have hell cast into the lake of fire: Revelation 20:14
So it gets very confusing perhaps?
Yes, Hell will have many evil people in it .....Hitler, Stalin , Pol Pot, Nero, Trump ( unless he repents) etc....
But there also will be Billions Of “ Moral “ People there.....the “ Good Neighbor Sam” type......worked hard, went to church, payed their taxes, etc....miracle workers will,be there.....some very , very decent folks who were great to be around....they loved their kids ...they “ did their best” to obey the commandments of God.....they made the Sermon on the Mound their Spiritual Benchmark..... they Turned Over New Leaves....yes, plenty of nice , decent and gentle-people will be-in Hell......it ain’t ALL going to be Charles Manson crazy, evil Monsters down there.
Thy are-not their because they lacked decency —- they are there NOT because Of Sins .....all Souls That are In Hell are there for ONE REASON——- Unbelief.All Of The Sins Of the World were paid for by Jesus......Everybody had the chance to “ cash in “ on what Jesus accomplished at the Cross. One cashes in with Faith ......all of Hell’s denizens lacked that .
Well then, if so illogical, then I would question the veracity of your conclusion?
There are many metaphors and analogies for the place of eternal death, in the Bible. So yes, it can cause confusion to the hyper-literalists. Every alteration in description leads them to believe that there are more than one place, or interim periods, of judgement.
Upon physical death, all men lay in the grave until Christ's return. On Judgement day, the Great White Throne, men's conduct on earth will be examined (faith), and Christ will determine their eternal standing. Those destined for hell, to me, will suffer mental anguish and torment, not physical. They will be punishing themselves for the frustration and resentment that they will be experiencing, knowing that all they had to do while on earth was to say sorry (repent), and thank you (grace), to have circumvented their current demise.
All the allusions to fire, darkness, and burning are figurative descriptions of their self-inflicted spiritual torment. God is not a sadist, nor does he exact corporeal punishment for crimes of the heart.
Incomprehensible implies illogical.I didn't say it was illogical, since we exist in a different realm than hell, we have a limited understanding of what it means, however we can always rely on scripture and my conclusion is based on scripture.
Incomprehensible implies illogical.
Besides, you just did it again, using circular reasoning to justify your position. I'm claiming that because your interpretation was beyond comprehension, it puts into question your Biblical exegesis. You answered by saying 'well, it's Biblical'. That was an illogical response under the circumstances.
So you claim to be exempt from all the NT warnings? I don't know anywhere in the NT that makes anyone exempt.
Luke 6:46 (NKJV)
46 But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
It's best to be aware of the implausible, irrational and out-of-character nature of certain verses in Scripture. It is up to the exegete to recognize what type of literary convention is being used within a particular pericope. This usually separates the wise from the impetuous.It's best to interpret scripture how it was intended. There is plenty of literal in scripture. Once you allagorize scripture you get on your way down a slipery slope to making it mean anything you want it to say.
Incomprehensible to the human mind, is the same thing as saying that something is irrational. Meaning, why in the world would you espouse a doctrine that you can't even comprehend, and claim it to be God-given truth? What governs what is rightly dividing God's Word, with logic like that?Hold on. I didn't say anything was incomprehensible. I said we can't comprehend it because of our limited understanding that doesnt mean it to be incomprehensible.
It's best to be aware of the implausible, irrational and out-of-character nature of certain verses in Scripture. It is up to the exegete to recognize what type of literary convention is being used within a particular pericope. This usually separates the wise from the impetuous.
When Jesus says 'eat my flesh, and drink my blood', or, 'sever your body part, if it offends you', we have to remain sober and decide what is literal, and what is figurative.
Again, God is not a sadist, nor does He employ physical punishment to those who committed the crime of disbelief. Therefore, we must appreciate when a verse is speaking in the realm of either metaphor or another literary device, or literalism. This is the indispensable art of exegesis.
Incomprehensible to the human mind, is the same thing as saying that something is irrational. Meaning, why in the world would you espouse a doctrine that you can't even comprehend, and claim it to be God-given truth? What governs what is rightly dividing God's Word, with logic like that?
Then let's put it simple, again, if YOU can't understand what you just concluded, then how the flippin' heck do you know if it is a veritable divinely inspired precept?You are again taking me out of context.
Our minds can't comprehend it because of our limited perspective, that is not to say that it's incomprehensible.
Then let's put it simple, again, if YOU can't understand what you just concluded, then how the flippin' heck do you know if it is a veritable divinely inspired precept?
What's your hermeneutics, as long as a doctrine's principles elude you, therefore it must be orthodox, and thus, we don't try to make heads or tails of it?
So you're saying God hasn't forgiven Trump. But God has forgiven you. Hmmm
Matthew 7:1-5 (NKJV)
Then let's put it simple, again, if YOU can't understand what you just concluded, then how the flippin' heck do you know if it is a veritable divinely inspired precept?
What's your hermeneutics, as long as a doctrine's principles elude you, therefore it must be orthodox, and thus, we don't try to make heads or tails of it?
Well, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be so vehement about this, but I do have a low tolerance when people subscribe to and espouse, illogical conclusions, claiming it to be from God, or His Word. I am adamantly saying, if the exegete himself is unable to comprehend his own conclusion, then we are left with no guidelines to determine truth (wisdom and edification = glory to God).DNB I was trying to say that I understand my conclusions about what hell is based on scripture.
The thing we can't comprehend is the concept of the second death or what it means to be dead but still exist.
I'm sorry to frustrate you, I struggle with communication. Lol.
We do understand heaven, nothing is written in the Bible about heaven that sounds ludicrous, like your statement about hell.We don't understand heaven. So is that to say we can't trust heaven as a divinely inspired precept?
Why not?I've wondered about that too. But we've never seen eternal fire. And hopefully won't.
Well, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be so vehement about this, but I do have a low tolerance when people subscribe to and espouse, illogical conclusions, claiming it to be from God, or His Word. I am adamantly saying, if the exegete himself is unable to comprehend his own conclusion, then we are left with no guidelines to determine truth (wisdom and edification = glory to God).
You said this 'People won't be alive in hell yet they will exist forever in death. Our earthly minds can't comprehend it'. I find the first part meaningless and ludicrous, and then you tried to justify the absurdity in your 2nd part with some sort of pretentious humility.