Hell

[Yan]

Im not quite certain if you are a "No Heller" or if you are just not being clear...

But i can tell you this...
Jesus spoke more about Hell then he taught about Heaven.
Thats a fact, that the NT teaches you.
THat's not a myth.

Oh, what about the current facts of covid was used to corrupt everybody from their cleanse of the temple of God as we know that our body is the temple of God (1 Corinthians 3:16-20). Don't you think this covid Great Reset agenda is the work of the devil ?
As in their own site the elite illuminati/Freemason has declared their mission to eliminate all religion and made the elite as the replacement of God and all mankind will be their slave.
Elite illuminati was the follower of Ba'al/Beelzebub/Mammon/Jahbulon, the Great Reset is similar in the day of Jesus (Luke 2:1-3) as this 666 chip was the whole world registration of mankind. And the third temple was built to provoke Jesus to come onto earth as all mankind will captivated by them to force paying the debt to IMF, did this was also happening 2000 years ago as Jesus come to earth as a debt payer (Colossians 2:13-15).

 

[dev553344]

Prison is made for criminals.
Its where they go, because they can't be allowed to harm the public, again and again and again.
They have proven by their behavior, by their choices, by their lifestyle... that they can't be trusted to live among people who are not criminals.
So, you have to keep them away from society, the public, .............= Prison.

I agree with you on that.

Hell is not about, being punished, as that is the wrong idea.

I disagree with you on that, as the bible teaches that:

Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

 

[Behold]

Oh, what about the current facts of covid was used to corrupt everybody from their cleanse of the temple of God as we know that our body is the temple of God (1 Corinthians 3:16-20). Don't you think this covid Great Reset agenda is the work of the devil ?
As in their own site the elite illuminati/Freemason has declared their mission to eliminate all religion and made the elite as the replacement of God and all mankind will be their slave.
Elite illuminati was the follower of Ba'al/Beelzebub/Mammon/Jahbulon, the Great Reset is similar in the day of Jesus (Luke 2:1-3) as this 666 chip was the whole world registration of mankind. And the third temple was built to provoke Jesus to come onto earth as all mankind will captivated by them to force paying the debt to IMF, did this was also happening 2000 years ago as Jesus come to earth as a debt payer (Colossians 2:13-15).

The world system and whatever it creates as the next "crisis" is always the work of the Globalists, and this is the work of the Devil.
Satan is always at work, herding the masses into one big integrated socialist mob. He is always trying to integrate the entire planet into some type of "One world order" of religious dumbed down easy to manipulate sheep.
Noting new.

 

[Behold]

Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

What is the context of that verse?
THe context of your verse is this one... "created for the Devil and His angels".
So, you need to read ALL of Matthew, and get some context.. Matthew 25:41.

That is the purpose of Hell. To punish them...
It was never created for man, or to punish man, as Man was never created to fall or to end up there.

So, Hell, is a situation designed for Satan and his Angles, but, via the fall of man, mankind developed into the "you are of your FATHER, the devil", and so, where the Devil ends up, so do his own = Hell.

 

[dev553344]

THe context of your verse is this one... "created for the Devil and His angels".

It appears to be the same lake of fire as referred to in the book of Revelation, which clearly lists different types of sinners:

Revelation 21:7-10
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You should probably also read Luke 16:19-31

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Yan]

The world system and whatever it creates as the next "crisis" is always the work of the Globalists, and this is the work of the Devil.
Satan is always at work, herding the masses into one big integrated socialist mob. He is always trying to integrate the entire planet into some type of "One world order" of religious dumbed down easy to manipulate sheep.
Noting new.

Why did american always made an allegation as it was communist party who did it all to their country, didn't all of your whole country was ruled by Freemason and some of your churches are part of their party ?
Is your country was doctrinated that everything that against usa is always communism ?
Or have you been brainwashed to always fight whoever against prosperity gospel always communist party ?
Or you won't accept the reality of the bible that all prophets since Abraham to Jesus was all came from the poor civilians, and as we know together the term communist was everything that come from civilians is always communist type leader ?

Abraham was an ordinary civilian
● https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112333/jewish/Nimrod-and-Abraham.htm

● Moses was born from hebrew civilian & as a slave in egypt (Exodus 2).

● Jesus was born from poor family in Israel and poor carpenter (Matthew 1 & 2).

So, how about those fact; are you saying that all prophets is part of communist party because they were came from civilian ?

Just make yourself understand the meaning between communism & capitalism.
● What Is Communism?

Why did US hate so much with communism, because in communism & socialism there is a perfect competitive market as there will be many competitor that may decrease profit. This is the main objection of capitalist that always need a huge profit with the less cost. It's all about money, so there is no correlation with church doctrine or bible dogma.

 

[keithr]

Faithful translations are never misleading.

Matthew 10:28 KJV
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God is not going to use any location on earth to destroy your soul.

Note that in that verse it is also Gehenna, not hades.

 

[kcnalp]

Hell is the worst prison ever, for the worst beings ever with no parole!

Alas prisons in this life contain many who are innocent. How sad! If you cross the wrong people, wealthy, politicians, you can end up behind bars for many years.

 

[keithr]

You should probably also read Luke 16:19-31

That is a parable, and should not be taken as a literal description of hell. Jesus always spoke to the crowd in parables - "Jesus spoke all these things to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable" (Mat 13:34).

Note in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, nothing is said as to whether either of them were righteous or evil; Abaham's bosom is not heaven for Abraham was not in heaven ("No one has gone up into heaven except the One who came down from heaven — the Son of Man" - John 3:13, TLV). Jesus was in this parable teaching a great dispensational truth, namely, the change of favour from the Mosaic Law Covenant to the Covenant of faith.

Jesus was evidently drawing upon something that was in the real world, the apostate Jewish belief which blended the Grecian philosophies into the Bible. The Jewish leaders knew of these beliefs and it was the Jewish leaders (the Pharisees) that he was addressing. He used their own beliefs, not to condone their apostate beliefs, but to illustrate the change he had just spoken of: "The law and the prophets were until John. From that time the Good News of God’s Kingdom is preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it." (Luke 16:16).

Remember,
(Rom 6:23) For the wages of sin is death,
(Eze 18:20) The soul that sins, it shall die.
(Rev 20:14,15) And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire.
This is the second death. And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.

The symbolic Lake of Fire was symoblic of destruction, meaning death to anyone symbolically thrown into it. Those not destroyed (those whose name was written in the Book of Life) will have eternal life, because there will be no more death - "death and hell" will also be destroyed forever.

 

[Webers_Home]

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there will be no more death

No more death ≠ No more dead.

Although death and Hades will undergo disposal in the lake of brimstone, to
my knowledge neither the dead nor the lake are slated for disposal, i.e. the
lake will be a permanent feature, and the dead whose resurrected bodies are
slated to be killed in the lake it will be its permanent occupants.

• Isa 66:23-24 . . From one new moon to another and from one sabbath to
another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says Jehovah.
And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled
against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they
will be loathsome to all mankind.

Apparently the lake, and its occupants, will be a sort of tourist attraction like
the La Brea Tar Pits museum in Los Angeles where the remains of prehistoric
creatures are on display.

FAQ: How can worms, any worms, survive in brimstone?

A: Worms at home in brimstone are pretty amazing, but not totally
unreasonable. The 4-inch Pompeii worm lives in sea water temperatures of
176° F-- hot enough to destroy salmonella germs. So I guess if God could
create a worm like the Pompeii, it shouldn't be too difficult for Him to create
worms that like it even warmer.

NOTE: That lake, with all those dead bodies floating around in it, depicts a
really ghastly apple-bobbing tub.
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[keithr]

Although death and Hades will undergo disposal in the lake of brimstone, to
my knowledge neither the dead nor the lake are slated for disposal, i.e. the
lake will be a permanent feature, and the dead whose resurrected bodies are
slated to be killed in the lake it will be its permanent occupants.

The lake of fire and brimstone is symbolic (as is virtually all of the book of Revelation - "A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John", Rev 1:1). Brimstone (which means "burning stone"), or sulphur, when added to fire makes the fire burn more intensely. Symbolically it is used to signify complete destruction.

• Isa 66:23-24 . . From one new moon to another and from one sabbath to
another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says Jehovah.
And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled
against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they
will be loathsome to all mankind.

This is not describing hell, it's describing events on the earth. It's saying that there will be dead bodies there of people who rebelled against God, not living people being tortured in fire. The Jews had a custom of refusing usual burial to the very vilest criminals, casting their dead bodies into the Valley of Hinnom with the filth of the city, indicating that they should be esteemed as the offscourings of society and that their memory should rot.

God is not going to torture millions of people for all eternity in burning fire. Fire kills people, so God would have to miraculously keep them alive while, continously recreating their flesh so that they could continue to feel pain. Would you love a God who would torture your loved ones forever?

God's own Law prohibits the torture of men in fire. Israel was ordered not to do so in Lev 18:21 ("You shall not give any of your children as a sacrifice to Molech") and 20:1-5; and God says that such a thing never "came...into my mind" (Jer 19:5 -"and have built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons in the fire for burnt offerings to Baal; which I didn’t command, nor speak, which didn’t even enter into my mind"). In Jeremiah 32:35 He says burning their sons and daughters in "the fire unto Molech" was an "abomination" and caused Judah "to sin". God will not do that which He prohibits and calls an "abomination", let alone actively prolong the torture for eternity!

 

[Mantis]

I was reading the other day an article about famed atheists and the things they said on their death bed. A couple of statements were terrifying.

David Hume, a famed atheist philosopher cried aloud in his death bed "I am in flames!" right before he died.

Anton LeVey, the author of the Sataic Bible - his dying words were: " “Oh my, oh my, what have I done, there is something very wrong…there is something very wrong….”

 

[Webers_Home]

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Would you love a God who would torture your loved ones forever?

I wasn't especially fond of God at first. In point of fact, my beginning with
God was fear rather than affection.

The way I figure it: God is stuck with eternal suffering and can't get out of it
with any more ease than we can. For reasons I have yet to even guess, Hell
is unavoidable because it's the right thing to do; i.e. it has to be done in
order to satisfy a level of justice that our limited little minds will probably
never be able to fully grasp.
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[keithr]

The way I figure it: God is stuck with eternal suffering and can't get out of it
with any more ease than we can. For reasons I have yet to even guess, Hell
is unavoidable because it's the right thing to do; i.e. it has to be done in
order to satisfy a level of justice that our limited little minds will probably
never be able to fully grasp.

God's perfect justice is (Exodus 21:23-25):

23) But if any harm follows, then you must take life for life,
24) eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25) burning for burning, wound for wound, and bruise for bruise.

So do you really think God is stuck with eternal torture for somebody who just refuses to have faith in Jesus? If somebody commits murder, God's perfect justice is the death of that person, i.e. a like for like punishment. There is no sin that we can commit that deserves more than our death as a punishment. What can we do that is the equivalent of an eternity of painful torture? The eternal torture in fire nonsense is just another deception of Satan and his demons, and it is not supported by God's word. It's an affront to his perfect, loving, compassionate and merciful character.

"He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love" (1 John 4:8).

In point of fact, my beginning with God was fear rather than affection.

That was probably because you believed the lies and deceptions of Satan developed in the Dark Ages concerning "hell fire"! But do you you now love God? 1 John 4:16-18 :

16) We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.
17) In this love has been made perfect among us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as he is, even so are we in this world.
18) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love.
19) We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[Enoch111]

Hell (sheol in Hebrew, hades in Greek) is where everyone goes when they die. It is the grave, or the state of death. Jesus compared it to a deep sleep

Sheol should never have been translated as "the grave" or "hell". Sheol is Hades, and Hades is Sheol. They are distinct from eternal Hell.

 

[Webers_Home]

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The correct New Testament Greek word for "grave" is mnemeion (mnay-mi'
on)

For example:

• Matt 27:52-53 . . And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the
saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection,
and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

• Matt 27:59-60 . . And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a
clean linen cloth, and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in
the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and
departed.

• John 11:18 . . Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the
grave four days already.

• John 11:38 . . Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the
grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

• John 12:17 . . The people therefore that was with him when he called
Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

Those are only a smattering of examples from the New Testament where
"grave" is translated from the Greek word mnemeion (mnay-mi'-on).

The Greek word haides, a.k.a. hades, is borrowed from Greek mythology. It
always speaks of the netherworld rather than graves. Look it up in Webster's
or Wikipedia and see for yourselves.

* The Jews likely picked up their knowledge of Grecian culture during the
Hellenistic period: a time in their history when Hellenistic Judaism was
developed. Jesus was no doubt familiar with it himself; and his apostles too.
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[saintiaint]

Prison is made for criminals.
Its where they go, because they can't be allowed to harm the public, again and again and again.
They have proven by their behavior, by their choices, by their lifestyle... that they can't be trusted to live among people who are not criminals.
So, you have to keep them away from society, the public, .............= Prison.

Hell, is the place where people chose to go because they did not want Jesus or God, or Heaven, = when they had the chance to be a part of it all their LIVES.
They had this chance for as long as they were breathing, right until their DEATH BED.

Hell is not full of believers who love God and want Jesus.
Its full of people who hate God, rejected Christ and do not want to be a part of God's family, before they died.
After they are in hell, they all want Jesus, of course.
So, God created the place for them to go, as He can't allow them to be in Heaven with the people who chose to be there, and He will never.

Hell is not about, being punished, as that is the wrong idea.
Its about where to put those who dont want Jesus and who dont Love God.
You dont put those people with the people who wanted Jesus, as we are talking about for ETERNITY.
Do you think God is going to allow God Haters and Christ rejectors to be right there for all eternity with the people who Love Jesus?
=NO.
That would be chaos and strife and crazy for all eternity.

So, God put those who had no use for God, and no use for Jesus, and no use for Heaven, where they belong, after they die, as that is their CHOICE and God honors your choice.
There is a place for them and their Father, who is the Devil.
They are his Children.

Whereas Heaven is the place for the born again, ... God's LITERAL SPIRITUAL Children.

Hell, = FOREVER APART from those who want Jesus, love God, and are born again.

But how many people in earthly prisons will go to Hell? Some of them are unlucky to be there. Some have repented.
In Heaven you might be surprised to see who is there. Likewise, those of us who go to Hell will be shocked to see the ones we thought were good, ended up in Hell.

 

[Behold]

But how many people in earthly prisons will go to Hell? Some of them are unlucky to be there. Some have repented.
In Heaven you might be surprised to see who is there. Likewise, those of us who go to Hell will be shocked to see the ones we thought were good, ended up in Hell.

Hell is full of surprised people.
Some who go there today thought hell was "the grave", and others who go there today thought they were saved, because they had at some point been water baptized.
Jesus said you must be "born again"....and that does not happen simply because water touched your skin.

I would say that the most surprised would be the lifelong atheist who always thought that Jesus was sort of like Zeus or the Easter Bunny.
A "myth".
So, when they left their body and were immediately in Hell, came as quite a surprise to them, no doubt.

See, everyone eventually believes in Jesus.
But if you do it after you are in hell, vs, when you had all your life to do it on earth, you are in a BAD situation that is never going to end.

 

[keithr]

So, when they left their body and were immediately in Hell, came as quite a surprise to them, no doubt.

So you believe that everyone is judged the moment they die rather than what the Bible says which is that everyone will be resurrected and then judged at the end of the 1,000 years of Christ's rule over mankind on the earth (Rev 20)? And don't you believe Jesus who said of Lazarus, who had been dead for four days, that "Our friend, Lazarus, has fallen asleep, but I am going so that I may awake him out of sleep" (John 11:11)?

When Jesus died he also slept in Sheol/hell, but Peter quoted David saying, "you will not leave my soul in Hades, neither will you allow your Holy One to see decay" (Acts 2:27).

Revelation 20:13 says, "The sea gave up the dead who were in it", so those who died at sea were still there, not anywhere else (not in Sheol).

The "wages for sin is death", that is why Jesus had to pay the price of his death in order to redeem Adam, and all mankind. If the punishment for sin was torture in fire for all eternity in a place called Sheol, then that is what Jesus would have have to have suffered in order to redeem Adam. That is clearly not the case!

What about Christians when they die? 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 says:

15) For this we tell you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep.
16) For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God’s trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first,
(17) then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.

So Christians sleep in death until some still future event, when Jesus will return for the Church.

Jesus said, "Don’t marvel at this, for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs will hear his voice, and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment" (John 5:28-29). So Jesus said that the dead are still in their tombs (or grave - the Greek word mnemeion, as Webers_Home mentions in reply #36 above).

 

[Nancy]

I think you should consider that to suddenly be confronted, immediately after you take your last breath.... with what you never wanted to believe all your life...., is going to cause you , in hell, to realize 4 things in a matter of seconds...

1.) It was all TRUE

2.) I can't get out.

3. ) Im going to burn

4. ) Its never going to stop burning.

So, there is no way a person is going to Realize that, in Hell, as soon as they arrive.... and not want to get off that hot seat.

Take for example, the worldly fool that wrote this popular song.....

"Imagine there's no heaven, its easy if you try.......no hell below us.......above us only sky"..

So, that devil met a lot of bullet holes before he met the realization that there IS a "hell below us" and a "heaven above us".
He is wishing to GOD, right now, and forever.... that he had listened and BELIEVED while he was on earth and could have....

Too late for John Lennon, unless when He was bleeding out from the 5 bullet holes.. = He "called on the name of Jesus" for mercy, and God gave it to Him.
Could be.
I dont think He did, but, if he did, then praise God for one more who was given the "gift of Righteousness" .. "the Gift of Salvation".

Hi Behold,
I do believe they will be very sorry but also very angry with God, shaking their fists, thinking they were "good people", without Christ. Course, I do not think they will be repentant, just angry with God. JMHO