Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?

[One 2 question]

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If a person does not "repent from unbelief" and trust in Christ before they DIE...., so that God can forgive them and give them the new Birth in Christ, so that they become a "Son-Daughter" of God, then they die not havng been born again as a Son-Daugher of God.

= They died Separated from God, as are all unforgiven sinners.

The fantastic hope I have is in the revelation of future event where ALL humans and ALL unfaithful angels will repent, be forgiven and be reunited with their Creators, fellow angels and fellow humans.

This ignites an inner joy and excitement like nothing else. I can't wait to see this event. To worship Father for His incredible love for ALL that He has made.

This means that they died under God's Wrath....John 3:36.......and His wrath will never leave the Christ Rejector, who was never born again on earth.

A.) Hell is their initial eternal destination, and it just gets worse, and it will never end for them..... as the Christ Rejector's "eternal life" is DAMNATION.

Reader, No Christian will ever be found in Hell......and no Unbeliever, never born again, will be found in Heaven.

See, UNBELIEVERS who died...never born again..... were under God's Judgment on earth, already..... John 3:36...and had all their life to Receive Christ and be forgiven.. and be SAVED from God's eternal Judgment........and instead they died "in their sins".. Jesus says..........and that means they died having committed the "unpardonable sin"....which is to die never being forgiven Through Jesus's Blood and Death Sacrifice for them....... So now, still unforgiven, they meet GOD after they died as their eternal Judge, not as their heavenly Father.

God's Judgment against the SIN of dying unforgiven...as a CHRIST Rejector...never born again....is an ETERNAL Judgement.

The NT refers to it as DAMNATiON, as "the 2nd Death", and Hell is only a part of this Eternal Judgement.

Until, from the LOF, they repent and believe that the blood of the Lamb of God will cleanse them of all their sin.

 

[Aunty Jane]

A.) Hell is their initial eternal destination, and it just gets worse, and it will never end for them..... as the Christ Rejector's "eternal life" is DAMNATION.

That is not what the Bible teaches at all.

Reader, No Christian will ever be found in Hell......and no Unbeliever, never born again, will be found in Heaven.

Funny….the Bible says that all humankind end up in “hell”….regardless of what religion they are. How do you not know this?

All you need to do is find out what “hell” really is in the Bible.
Two words…one in Hebrew and the other in Greek tell us what this “hell“ is….and it’s nothing like the pagan Greek concept adopted by Christendom.

Eccl 9:5, 10 tells us…from the Jewish Tanakh….
”5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for their remembrance is forgotten. . . 10 Whatever your hand attains to do [as long as you are] with your strength, do; for there is neither deed nor reckoning, neither knowledge nor wisdom in the grave, where you are going.”

Now look those verses up in your favorite translation.

The word translated “the grave” here in Hebrew, is “Sheol” which the Greek Septuagint translates as “hades”…..”hades” is then translated into English as “HELL”. So what is it that is being spoken about here?
All the dead end up in the grave…their final resting place to……“Rest In Peace”….. not suffer eternal torture.

Jesus speaks about another destination where he mentions a completely different word…”Gehenna”?
So this “Gehenna” is actually “the lake of fire” that a lot of people think is a literal “fiery hell”.

There is no fiery hell of eternal conscious torment…..Jesus’ reference to “Gehenna” was to Jerusalem’s garbage dump, where fires were kept burning day and night to consume the refuse. The carcasses of dead animals as well as the bodies of executed criminals were cast into the flames for disposal….not torture.

It was basically indicating that for a Jew, not having a tomb indicating their name and lineage was tantamount to saying these ones would remain in death forever, not being remembered in the resurrection.
So no literal lake of fire….no torture…no suffering…just eternal death. What need is there for justice to demand anything more?
They we’re given the gift of life…they abused that privilege, and have the gift taken away from them.

Jesus own words in Matt 10:28 says…
“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [gehenna].” (NASB)
See that……Body and soul are “destroyed” in “Gehenna”.

That is true and pure justice.
What kind of fiendish god tortures souls for all eternity with no hope of repentance? Who could love such a sadistic god? Those who do, betray a very unchristian trait…..enjoying the thought of God punishing souls in an eternal fire, is beyond disgusting!

Jesus says..........and that means they died having committed the "unpardonable sin"....which is to die never being forgiven Through Jesus's Blood and Death Sacrifice for them....... So now, still unforgiven, they meet GOD after they died as their eternal Judge, not as their heavenly Father.

You seem to be leaving out a whole lot of people born into nations, cultures and lands where no knowledge of the true God was available to them in their lifetime……nor did they ever get to hear about Jesus and his sacrifice….so I’m sorry but you have judged a multitude of people as “unpardonable”, when God himself has no grounds upon which to judge them at all, without giving them an opportunity to hear his message and accept his means of salvation. This he will do during the 1000 year reign of the Christ, when Jesus resurrects these ones and educates them, allowing them to make informed decisions, based on an education that time and location had previously denied them. (John 5:28-29)

God's Judgment against the SIN of dying unforgiven...as a CHRIST Rejector...never born again....is an ETERNAL Judgement.

The NT refers to it as DAMNATiON, as "the 2nd Death", and Hell is only a part of this Eternal Judgement.

That is total hogwash….the sin we inherited from Adam does not condemn us to eternal damnation. God sent his son to reverse that situation, so he is not going to condemn anyone who is ignorant through no fault on their part.

The second death only occurs if we chose to sin after we have been enlightened. So those in the grave who died in ignorance will not have that held against them….how is that just?
Only two categories of people will perish at the judgment….as Paul said….

2 Thess 1:6-10 NASB…
”For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.”

Those who do not know God, is because they don’t want to….and those who know what Jesus taught but fail to obey him….these alone will perish at the coming judgment. “Eternal destruction” is not eternal torture.
It is eternal death….period.

 

[Behold]

The fantastic hope I have is in the revelation of future event where ALL humans and ALL unfaithful angels will repent,

"repenting" of unbelief, is regarding a Human.........and an Angel is not a human.
Angels can't be born again.
Angels were not "created in the Image of God".

If a person dies today, never born again...then Jesus says.....>"you have died in your sins"......UNFORGIVEN........and that means you've committed the unpardonable sin of dying unpardoned by God's Son's Sacrifice.

This offer of God's Son's Sacrifice is not offer after you die......= You have to receive Christ, while you are on the earth, still breathing.
Jesus said you "must be born again"......and that can't happen after you die.

Also, being water baptized is not the forgiveness of sin, is not Salvation.

 

[Behold]

Funny….the Bible says that all humankind end up in “hell”….r

Post a verse from the NT that says that Born Again Christians, will "end up in Hell".

All the dead end up in the grave…their final resting place to……“Rest In Peace”….. not suffer eternal torture.

Jesus told you that its better to cut off your hand and tear out your own eye then to end up in the "fires of Hell".

Does that sound like the grave?

Your Cult theology, is very very dark.

The second death

The first death is to exist in Sin, unforgiven, which keeps you separated from Spiritual Union with God.

Being Born again, restores the BORN AGAiN......as a "new creation" in Christ.......as "ONE with God".

So, "one with God", is what is gained by being born again, and if this is not gained then "death" that is spiritual separation from God.......is found as 2nd Death, after you die.
That is simply the eternal continuaion of being spiritually separated from God.

Going to Hell is the initial result of dying in 2nd Death, that is to have died, never born again, never having regaind spiritual union with God.

 

[One 2 question]

"repenting" of unbelief, is regarding a Human.........and an Angel is not a human.

Angels do believe in God their Creator.

Angels can't be born again.
Angels were not "created in the Image of God".

Ok

If a person dies today, never born again...then Jesus says.....>"you have died in your sins"......UNFORGIVEN........and that means you've committed the unpardonable sin of dying unpardoned by God's Son's Sacrifice.

This offer of God's Son's Sacrifice is not offer after you die......= You have to receive Christ, while you are on the earth, still breathing.
Jesus said you "must be born again"......and that can't happen after you die.

The great news is that God the Creator will reconcile His creations to Himself.

The great harvest will happen after judgement, gathering from the lake of fire. Now that was a twist I didn't see coming.

Praise God for His wisdom.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Post a verse from the NT that says that Born Again Christians, will "end up in Hell".

I posted the scripture that all first century Christians relied upon to teach the truth about death and the coming resurrection…..it’s all laid out in the Hebrew Scriptures.
”Hell” is “hades” and hades is “sheol” which the Jews were taught was an unconscious condition where the dead awaited their resurrection in the grave where all mankind would end up (Eccl 9:5, 10)…..that whole truth was lost when Christendom adopted belief in an immortal soul (borrowed from the pagan Greeks) and Gehenna became a literal place of eternal torture instead of a place where the dead were never raised back to life.
You ignore what is too difficult to address….as you always do.

Jesus told you that its better to cut off your hand and tear out your own eye then to end up in the "fires of Hell".

You mean Jesus words here in Mark 9:42-50……?
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, [gehenna] to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. [gehenna] And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire. Salt is good, but if the salt has lost its saltiness, how will you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another.” (ESV)

Examine these verses carefully with a Jewish lens instead of Christendom’s distorted view.

What would a Jew make of Jesus’ words?….they knew that the dead were unconscious in their graves, so the reference to Gehenna here was already explained to you, but as usual you ignored it.

This was the place of no return, figuratively representing “eternal separation from God”, but not in a conscious state. The reference to “the worm that does not die“ and “fire that is not quenched” is about literal Gehenna, because the fires consuming the garbage there in the city’s garbage dump, never went out ….and what the fire missed, the maggots finished off….this was the ignominious end to those too wicked to be granted a resurrection. Why isn’t that enough for people like you?

The Jews understood this but Christendom has taken it to extreme lengths to paint God as a fiendish torturer. You are welcome to that God because Jesus never knew him, nor will he know those who are persuaded to believe such disgusting nonsense. (Matt 7:21-23)

Does that sound like the grave?

Not the way Christendom portrays it….but in the Jewish understanding, the grave Sheol/hades/hell is a place where the dead sleep.

Your Cult theology, is very very dark.

Yours is so much darker…. but you can’t see it.

Being Born again, restores the BORN AGAiN......as a "new creation" in Christ.......as "ONE with God".

How can “born again Christians” all have a different ideas about what that means? Surely if it was God giving this experience, it would be the same for all…..?

So, "one with God", is what is gained by being born again, and if this is not gained then "death" that is spiritual separation from God.......is found as 2nd Death, after you die.
That is simply the eternal continuaion of being spiritually separated from God.

Adamic death is a temporary separation from God with a guarantee of a resurrection for all who are in Sheol/hades/the grave…because sin is an inherited condition, not a choice.….but those who suffer the sentence of Gehenna (like the Pharisees whom Jesus sentenced to this fate) will never gain a resurrection. They had every opportunity to repent and accept Jesus as Messiah, but refused to accept what was a very inconvenient the truth.…but that was a choice.
Not many in Jesus‘ day were sentenced to Gehenna, and only God determines who goes there……not you or me.
No one who is in Sheol is lost…only those in Gehenna.…who are not screaming in agony for all eternity, but who suffer a death from which no resurrection is possible.

Going to Hell is the initial result of dying in 2nd Death, that is to have died, never born again, never having regaind spiritual union with God.

The “second death” is one that follows the first death. It is second and permanent because this is the result of one’s personal choice. Those resurrected from the first death, who had no way to one to know the true God or his son, will not be charged with sins inherited from Adam. (John 5:28-29) Their resurrection is a second chance to get things right with God…..that is what the Kingdom is for….to bring redeemed mankind back into reconciliation with their Creator. To give those who died in ignorance, no chance to learn the truth, would be unjust, which is something God can never be.

The resurrection is “to life” for some who died faithful…but “those who practiced vile things” come back to a period of “judgment”, not condemnation. They will have ample opportunity to get to know the true God and his savior…..and then they will make the choices that will give them life or death.

Your view is so very skewed from the original…..

 

[Behold]

I posted the scripture that all first century Christians relied upon to teach the truth about death and the coming resurrection…..it’s all laid out in the Hebrew Scriptures.

And all i did was respond with Jesus's commentary regarding going to hell.

What would a Jew make of Jesus’ words?….they knew that the dead were unconscious in their graves,

Its only the body that goes into the gave.. The spirit does not.

The resurrection is “to life” for some who died faithful…

The Resurrection is for the "bride of Christ."... the born again.......so, God has already accepted their faith and given them "the Gift of Righteousness".

Your view is so very skewed from the original…..

There is no "original".
There are about 30 "extant" Greek texts, and at least one Hebrew NT, and of course the Latin.

So, the bible is the word of God, not some false "origianal" ........as the only "original" would be the Apostle's letters, and there are none of those "originals".....in existance.

 

[PGS11]

Jesus either put a end to death or nothing happened.All souls will be raised up for judgment non will remain in the grave as before Christ.Some believe death ended when he was raised up and some believe its saved for the last day and all still remain in the grave - why would it be saved for the last day you would think it happened right away after his resurrection.Is heaven empty right now of human souls?We have Saints and a saint is recognized as being with God in heaven - raised up in Christ.Death has been defeated according to the bible.You would have to be raised up to either heaven or hell not in the grave or judgment has not happeded.

 

[Behold]

Jesus either put a end to death or nothing happened.

The thousand who will be buried today, prove that "Jesus has not put an end to death"... of the body.

But He has put an end to 2nd Death.....(eternal damnation).....for everyone who believes and is born again on this earth.

 

[St. SteVen]

Interesting post, thanks.

Jesus either put a end to death or nothing happened.

Agree.
I believe that Jesus paid our death penalty for sin on the cross.
Thus putting an end to death as the punishment for sin.
We still have to face physical death, of course.

All souls will be raised up for judgment non will remain in the grave as before Christ.

The term "grave" is interesting. In the Bible, I think it is usually referring to the realm of the dead, the Grave, not a hole in the ground.
Jesus was raised from the Grave, but he was laid in an above ground tomb. (not buried under ground) Where is the heart of the earth?

Matthew 12:40 NIV
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish,
so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Ephesians 4:7-9 NIV
But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.
8 This is why it[a] says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”[b]
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that
he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?

Some believe death ended when he was raised up and some believe its saved for the last day and all still remain in the grave - why would it be saved for the last day you would think it happened right away after his resurrection.Is heaven empty right now of human souls?

I point to the Atonement, as I said earlier.

We have Saints and a saint is recognized as being with God in heaven - raised up in Christ.

Only Saints?

Death has been defeated according to the bible.

Agree. How so?

You would have to be raised up to either heaven or hell not in the grave or judgment has not happeded.

Where is the grave?

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[PGS11]

Either death was defeated or not we know what or faith says no more needs to be said.I know what I believe you don't have to and my salvation is not dependent upon it.Faith in the death and resurrection of Christ is your salvation and the forgiveness of your sins.

Saints are canonized individually but there would also be a uncountable amount of unknown Saints who have not been name.A Saint is someone who is in heaven.

I am not going to argue if death has been defeated or not I believe it has and there is only physical death.

Or do you believe its all been saved up for 2000 years or so later and death still rules?Just doesn't sound right saving the victory for later it would of happened right away.

 

[Aunty Jane]

And all i did was respond with Jesus's commentary regarding going to hell.

You respond to Jesus’ commentary with no understanding at all as to what “Gehenna” is, and how it differs from “hades”. These words, both translated as “hell” bear no resemblance to what these words mean in their original language.

Its only the body that goes into the gave.. The spirit does not.

Again you conflate the “soul” with the “spirit”….two different words in both Hebrew and Greek, with two different meanings, which are not interchangeable.
All living breathing creatures are called “souls” in the Genesis account…..and the first man was formed bodily, but needed something to animate his lifeless body…what does it say in Genesis?

From the Jewish Tanakh….
Gen 2:7…
”And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul.” (CJB)

“Soul” in Hebrew is “neʹphesh” and in Greek, “psy·kheʹ”.…and neither of these words are used to refer to a disembodied spirit. With the “breath of life” Adam became a “living soul”.
In both languages, these words refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal.

The “breath of life” that animates all souls is the “spirit“…..animals and humans all have the same spirit or breath…as Solomon wrote in Eccl 3:19-20….(CJB)
”For there is a happening for the children of men, and there is a happening for the beasts-and they have one happening-like the death of this one is the death of that one, and all have one spirit, and the superiority of man over beast is nought, for all is vanity. All go to one place; all came from the dust, and all return to the dust.”

The “spirit” is not an entity of itself, but is the animating force that keeps all “souls” living. When breathing stops…all souls die. (Ezek 18:4)

So how far has Christendom strayed from the truth in promoting their adopted belief in an immortal soul that supposedly leaves the body at death in a conscious state? It is not a biblical belief at all, but a pagan adoption.
Satan has perpetuated his first lie….”you surely will not die”…and all false religion teaches it.

The Resurrection is for the "bride of Christ."... the born again.......so, God has already accepted their faith and given them "the Gift of Righteousness".

The resurrection is what Jesus and his apostles demonstrated in the first century to show the Jewish people what a resurrection was…….not the soul being made alive in spirit form, but a raising to life in human form….a return to their former life, not the burying of a body in a grave or tomb, and a spiritual entity leaving to go somewhere else. There is no “somewhere else to go” for the majority of the human race who have died since Abel.
They were sleep to sleep in death until Messiah established his kingdom. That was the Jewish belief….Messiah would come (supposedly in a blaze of glory) and reestablish God’s rulership with his people being “a priesthood and a holy nation” over all the nations. Jesus didn’t fit the model they had been told to expect, but the Jewish leadership had a comfortable niche in the Roman Empire and we’re afraid of losing it.

The raising of Lazarus is one of the most related resurrection stories, yet very few have read the details surrounding it.
Here is an exercise for you and those who are interested….

Read the account in John 11:1-53 and consider the details this account contains….
Answer these questions….from the account.

Why did Jesus not go straight away and prevent his friend from dying? He deliberately waited for 4 days before he went to him. (Verse 4)

When he did journey there to the home of Lazarus and his sisters, what did he tell his disciples about Lazarus and what mistake did they make. (Vs 11-15)

What did Jesus tell Martha about her brother and what was her response. What was “the resurrection on the last day” that she spoke of? (Vs 20-23)

What did Jesus say to her? And what was her response? Remembering that these were Jews. (Vs 25-27)

What did those gathered say when Mary joined them? (Vs 33-37)

What are the details of the resurrection itself, and did Jesus call Lazarus from somewhere else to re-enter his body? (Vs 38-44) Did Lazarus have something to say about where he had been?

What transpired once the Pharisees heard of this miracle? (Vs 47-53) Verse 48 betrays their motive.

Once you have a clear picture of the Jewish view of the resurrection, you can see where Christendom took that and twisted it all out of shape…it bears no resemblance to what Jesus taught at all.

There is no "original".
There are about 30 "extant" Greek texts, and at least one Hebrew NT, and of course the Latin.

So, the bible is the word of God, not some false "origianal" ........as the only "original" would be the Apostle's letters, and there are none of those "originals".....in existance.

If you believe that the Bible is the word of God, and that his great power created the Universe, then what stretch of the imagination does it take to understand that he has the power to preserve his word down through thousands of years of human history, despite numerous attempts to destroy it?

It has survived with its message intact despite translation into many languages…..the wording may alter slightly from language to language, but the message never does.

You have run out of excuses. And your silence is deafening when it comes to the hard question because you have nothing but your own indoctrination, in which there are no real scriptural answers…

 

[St. SteVen]

@Aunty Jane
I'm enjoying your back and forth with @Behold
You eat guys like him for breakfast. - LOL

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[Behold]

You respond to Jesus’ commentary with no understanding at all as to what “Gehenna” is, and how it differs from “hades”. These words, both translated as “hell” bear no resemblance to what these words mean in their original language.

You've never told us how you became a Christian.
You rambled on about talking to some people........ect ect.

That wont get you there.


Now.....Jesus spoke about Hell, more then He spoke about Heaven.

Again you conflate the “soul” with the “spirit”….

Man is made in the image of God.......so, this is why Man is.. Tri-part

Body
Soul
Spirit.

When a person a born again, they are born again Spiritually.

From the Jewish Tanakh….
Gen 2:7…
”And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul.” (CJB)

Man is a Tri-Part being.

Body
Soul
Spirit

The soul is the Mind, will, and emotions.

“Soul” in Hebrew is “neʹphesh” and in Greek, “psy·kheʹ”.…and neither of these words are used to refer to a disembodied spirit. With the “breath of life” Adam became a “living soul”.
In both languages, these words refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal.

Did you want me to teach you in Hebrew?

I'll tell you what, i'll just keep it in english, as you have enough trouble with this language.........and this way, you can continue to cut and paste what you dont understand, as you have no actual inner resource to do anything else.

Now... When God gives the New Birth......He is not birthing the soul....>He is birthing the Spirit.

So how far has Christendom strayed from the truth in promoting their adopted belief in an immortal soul that supposedly leaves the body at death

Its the spirit that leaves the body., as its the born again spirit, that is the "new Creation" that is the actual "Son-Daughter" of God.

The resurrection is what Jesus and his apostles demonstrated in the first century to show the Jewish people what a resurrection was……

You have to die to be resurrected.
None of the Apostle were resurrected, and Jesus was seen by quite a few people after He was resurrected.

Once you have a clear picture of the Jewish view of the resurrection,

Nonsense.

Jesus walked out of His Tomb.........and that is the only resurrection that a Christian needs to be imvolved with.......Just His.

You have run out of excuses. And your silence is deafening when it comes to the hard question because you have nothing but your own indoctrination, in which there are no real scriptural answers…

I only treach Paul's Theology.
Your cult is not afiliated with it.

 

[Aunty Jane]

@Aunty Jane
I'm enjoying your back and forth with @Behold
You eat guys like him for breakfast. - LOL

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Guys like him are all bluster, but when face to face with the hard questions…all you get is distraction so you hopefully won’t notice that he has no scriptural response….he has doctrine…imbedded and unmovable.

He is his own messiah….no one can question him…..except maybe the one he claims is his god. That will be an interesting encounter.

 

[Behold]

Guys like him are all bluster, but when face to face with the hard questions…all you get is distraction so you hopefully won’t notice that he has no scriptural response….he has doctrine…imbedded and unmovable.

He is his own messiah….no one can question him…..except maybe the one he claims is his god. That will be an interesting encounter.

You do love to hear yourself talk.
We can agree on that.. @Aunty Jane


Listen.......You are the person, who.. when asked "when did you become a Christian"........had no actual answer that is related to how you actually become one.
So, i asked you 3 or 4 times.. in 3 or 4 postss..and you have no answer, other then some disconnected thought process that came out as... something about """ some people talked to you.""""

Do you have an answer now, ? Can you explain how you became a Christian?

Still waiting.

 

[Behold]

@Aunty Jane
I'm enjoying your back and forth with @Behold
You eat guys like him for breakfast. - LOL

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Do you think you can stimulate her to jump a little higher for you?
Normally its Episkapos who has them jumping up and down.........

So, Keep giving it a shot, as she's game...

And just think @St. SteVen .. tomorrow you can come back and bump more old old Threads of yours back to the Top.

See you there.....

 

[Behold]

.he has doctrine…imbedded and unmovable.

Now, see there, you can say something that is True.
You finally did. @Aunty Jane ..
Took a while.

So, Its a genuine fact that im "imbedded and unmovable"......regarding Paul's Theology....."Pauline Theology".. "Paul's Doctrine".

Accpet no substitute.....as there is no True substitute, Reader.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You've never told us how you became a Christian.

I actually gave you a detailed account about how I came out of Christendom and accepted ‘the truth that set me free’ from the shackles of false Christianity. Ignored it as usual….

That wont get you there.

Get me where?

Now.....Jesus spoke about Hell, more then He spoke about Heaven.

What “hell” is that exactly?…..Sheol? Hades? Gehenna? The lake of fire? Pick one.

Its the spirit that leaves the body., as its the born again spirit, that is the "new Creation" that is the actual "Son-Daughter" of God.

The spirit is the breath in all living creatures…..both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures teach this truth that has been mangled by the adoption of the immortal soul nonsense. There is no such thing as an immortal soul. Humans were created “mortal” for a reason.….can you tell me what that is?

You have to die to be resurrected.
None of the Apostle were resurrected, and Jesus was seen by quite a few people after He was resurrected.

Yes because that is what a resurrection is…a return to life. For the majority of mankind, that will be to resume their physical lives because planet earth was designed to be their permanent home.
The apostles died and Jesus said that their resurrection as his elect would be a transformation to a new body in order for them to rule with him in heaven. All the chosen ones will experience this same death and resurrection as Jesus, as he promised.

Jesus walked out of His Tomb.........and that is the only resurrection that a Christian needs to be imvolved with.......Just His.

In what kind of body was Christ resurrected ?
Does that mean we can ignore all the other resurrections in the Bible account….even the ones Jesus himself performed?

I only treach Paul's Theology.
Your cult is not afiliated with it.

You only think you do…..do the writings of the first apostles carry no weight for you and your devotion to Paul ?
Baptism into Jesus Christ and into his death is something apart from water baptism for Christians. Only Christ’s elect experience this baptism. Paul expressed himself in his letter to the Christian congregation at Rome, saying: “Do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?” (Rom 6:3) What does that mean for those who accept the gospel as it is written by other penmen? Did Paul reject the writings and teachings of the other apostles?

Listen.......You are the person, who.. when asked "when did you become a Christian"........had no actual answer that is related to how you actually become one.
So, i asked you 3 or 4 times.. in 3 or 4 postss..and you have no answer, other then some disconnected thought process that came out as... something about """ some people talked to you.""""

Do you have an answer now, ? Can you explain how you became a Christian?

Still waiting.

Now, this one really made me smile…. I did explain in detail as I said and as you can check….so, can I ask you how the Jews in the first century heard the Christian message after Jesus was executed? How did they hear the message even while he as still living in the flesh?
(Matt 10:11-14; Acts 5:42; 20:20; Rom 10:13-15)

I really don’t know what planet you live on, but your beliefs are way outside of anything Jesus or even Paul taught.
Bluster is all you offer…..it’s hot air.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Do you think you can stimulate her to jump a little higher for you?
Normally its Episkapos who has them jumping up and down.........

So, Keep giving it a shot, as she's game...

And just think @St. SteVen .. tomorrow you can come back and bump more old old Threads of yours back to the Top.

See you there.....

And there he is in all his glory….defending himself with no real defense, just attack as if we don’t see the motivation behind his empty words.

Behold you portray yourself as a believer in Jesus Christ…a “born again” Christian, but when it comes down to the wire, this is all we get. Where are your Bible based responses rather than you Behold based responses? We need to get back to the Bible…the whole Bible….not just Paul’s contribution.