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I have wondered the same thing. Wouldn't it be terrifying for those evil beings to be awaiting the death of the unsaved!
It’s amazing that hell is done away with according to the Bible.
“and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire — this [is] the second death;”
Revelation 20:14 YLT98
Only forever for the false prophet, beast, and Satan.
There are those who have a part in this fire hut not forever.
Revelation 21:[8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Doesn’t say they will be there forever, and some type of death is experienced but I don’t believe this is death to the soul.
As,
“and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.”
Revelation 22:15 YLT98
Says there is an outside where liars and murderous people stay, outside the kingdom.
With Jesus and his victory today, no one is going to hell. But they are outside the kingdom of God.
“and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire — this [is] the second death;”
Revelation 20:14 YLT98
Revelation 20:14 and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire — this [is] the second death | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now
and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire — this [is] the second death
bible.com
Only forever for the false prophet, beast, and Satan.
There are those who have a part in this fire hut not forever.
Revelation 21:[8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Doesn’t say they will be there forever, and some type of death is experienced but I don’t believe this is death to the soul.
As,
“and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.”
Revelation 22:15 YLT98
Revelation 22:15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now
and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.
bible.com
Says there is an outside where liars and murderous people stay, outside the kingdom.
With Jesus and his victory today, no one is going to hell. But they are outside the kingdom of God.
What a twist of Scripture! JW?
Nope! Lost humans have the exact same fate, "forever and ever".
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
What if you are leading people to the "everlasting fire"? Their blood will be on your hands.There are those who have a part in this fire hut not forever.
Revelation 21:[8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Doesn’t say they will be there forever, and some type of death is experienced but I don’t believe this is death to the soul.
As,
“and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.”
Revelation 22:15 YLT98
Revelation 22:15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie. | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The Bible App Now
and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.bible.com
Says there is an outside where liars and murderous people stay, outside the kingdom.
With Jesus and his victory today, no one is going to hell. But they are outside the kingdom of God.
What a twist! It’s just things you probably never considered, that are viable, and uncontested when actually looked at, and upon, @Jack. Though it’s only by faith, I believe God has two parts set up in heaven, maybe I’m wrong. The outside and the inside of the kingdom, which John the Beloved talks about.
Jehovah witness looks for a replaced earth and where humans, and animals frolic together in peace and harmony.
I believe everyone dies here goes to the spiritual heavenly realm where God is, Jack.
Jehovah witness looks for a replaced earth and where humans, and animals frolic together in peace and harmony.
I believe everyone dies here goes to the spiritual heavenly realm where God is, Jack.
Can't compare with leading people to "the everlasting fire" that Jesus clearly warned us about.
What fire are you leading someone to when you talking about God and Jesus.
The one whom baptized in Holy Spirit and fire @Jack? Idk or you putting in the fire pits of Gehenna by throwing their body into that fire?
Quoting something in scripture doesn’t help the context of whatever it is you are saying, aside from using fire as fear tactic, @Jack.
The one whom baptized in Holy Spirit and fire @Jack? Idk or you putting in the fire pits of Gehenna by throwing their body into that fire?
Quoting something in scripture doesn’t help the context of whatever it is you are saying, aside from using fire as fear tactic, @Jack.
I'm talking about "the everlasting fire" that's mentioned several times in the NT.
Sure but you’re not doing anything but just saying that. What does it have to do with anything? What scripture are pulling from that is used several times? You seem to just take up reigns with fear tactic, or your very own fear of God throwing you into an ever lasting flames of fire of ?????
I’ve done used scripture to make my point here but you say I am twisting the scripture.
So you just popping up randomly just saying this doesn’t mean anything other than oh boy that everlasting fire!
The false prophet, the beast, and Satan are the only ones promised to be in the lake of fire forever.
People should really be encouraged to learn and study about hell, and even the lake of fire, they are two different things… cause not everyone really interested in actually taking time to study what the Bible has to offer on the information about hell that doesn’t have any flames in it…
Never stay on the surface level of knowing, grab a spade and dig and look and seek for information for yourself in truth; to find truth and be set free in truth.
Just basic level of intelligence is not good enough to those who already done some work in digging. But you can stay there if you want to, just basic baseline what people tell you from the pulpit.
Never stay on the surface level of knowing, grab a spade and dig and look and seek for information for yourself in truth; to find truth and be set free in truth.
Just basic level of intelligence is not good enough to those who already done some work in digging. But you can stay there if you want to, just basic baseline what people tell you from the pulpit.
Everyone will learn to fear God, now or in Hell, but they will learn.
Ecc
Fear God and keep His commandments. This is the whole duty of man!
Cool thank you for sharing. Love ya nonetheless. Hope you continue to grow and seek God.
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● Matt 5:8 . . Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
A rough-hewn definition of "pure in heart" is when someone is the same on
the inside as they are on the outside; which is just the opposite of
dissembling; defined as: to put on a false appearance, i.e. conceal facts,
intentions, or feelings under some pretense.
Dissembling is a very common form of dishonesty which is practiced by just
about everybody at one time or another. Most of us do not always want
others to know what we are actually thinking and/or feeling about certain
things. The very opposite of that is transparency, which most of us want
from others, but prefer not to reciprocate with transparency of our own.
Here's a really good example of someone pure in heart.
"When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, "Here is a true
Israelite, in whom there is nothing false." (John 1:47)
Jesus was pure in heart too.
"No deceit was found in his mouth." (1Pet 2:22)
I think we may safely assume there are no exceptions to the sixth beatitude,
i.e. no one is exempt; sincerity and forthrightness aren't optional with God;
they're mandatory.
"Who may ascend into the hill of The Lord? And who may stand in His holy
place? He who has . . a pure heart . . he shall receive a blessing from The
Lord." (Ps 24:3-5)
Pop Clock Update: 4,039 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 222,532,744
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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● Matt 5:8 . . Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
A rough-hewn definition of "pure in heart" is when someone is the same on
the inside as they are on the outside; which is just the opposite of
dissembling; defined as: to put on a false appearance, i.e. conceal facts,
intentions, or feelings under some pretense.
Dissembling is a very common form of dishonesty which is practiced by just
about everybody at one time or another. Most of us do not always want
others to know what we are actually thinking and/or feeling about certain
things. The very opposite of that is transparency, which most of us want
from others, but prefer not to reciprocate with transparency of our own.
Here's a really good example of someone pure in heart.
"When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, "Here is a true
Israelite, in whom there is nothing false." (John 1:47)
Jesus was pure in heart too.
"No deceit was found in his mouth." (1Pet 2:22)
I think we may safely assume there are no exceptions to the sixth beatitude,
i.e. no one is exempt; sincerity and forthrightness aren't optional with God;
they're mandatory.
"Who may ascend into the hill of The Lord? And who may stand in His holy
place? He who has . . a pure heart . . he shall receive a blessing from The
Lord." (Ps 24:3-5)
Pop Clock Update: 4,039 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 222,532,744
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
Would agree with you about the sincerity. To love God honestly, and to love your neighbor honestly; in the form of Agape love by and through the spirit. I can’t judge my own work though; as I don’t do any good works, but when God works in and through. Praise be to Him, when allowing the spirit to come through.
While people may say “if you don’t agree with my beliefs your gonna go on off to hell”, that is not even loving or agape love at all.
That is self-centeredness; in personal judgment upon the life of another.
So be careful, and live humbly before your creator, cause it’s always you who will face the judgment you will receive? Which includes me, too.
While people may say “if you don’t agree with my beliefs your gonna go on off to hell”, that is not even loving or agape love at all.
That is self-centeredness; in personal judgment upon the life of another.
So be careful, and live humbly before your creator, cause it’s always you who will face the judgment you will receive? Which includes me, too.
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I obtain quite a bit of useful information from YouTube; for example how to
replace a microwave oven motor, resolve a computer issue, and/or adjust an
electric guitar's intonation.
I also tour the world with YouTube, visiting amazing man-made wonders and
natural wonders too. I will likely never travel and get to see those wonders
for myself as they really are before I'm dead; but out ahead is coming a
one-thousand year era on Earth wherein I've no doubt there will be plenty of
opportunity to see everything in the next life that I missed in this one.
● Rev 20:6 . . Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first
resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be
priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
I suspect that God is keeping a massive, fully comprehensive library that can
satisfy all my curiosity-- an archive of information far exceeding the contents
of the great library of Alexandria. For example: how did the ancient
Egyptians build the pyramids? How did the people of Easter Island move
those massive stone heads into position? Is there an end to space; and if so,
what's on the other side? Things like that; but also nature's secrets too. How
did nature fashion those remarkable rock formations in Utah? Or carve out
the Grand Canyon?
There are many mysteries like those that I sincerely hope to find answers to
some day. But people in Hell won't be allowed access to God's library. They
will never get answers to their deepest questions about the cosmos; nor be
allowed to travel to all the exotic places on Earth that they missed in this life
before passing on to the next.
Another benefit to the coming era is safety. I will have nothing to fear from
the animal kingdom like I do now, and plus; those of us who make the cut
will be immortal; so we won't fear heights, nor speed, nor any other risk. I
love to explore, but don't like to explore places that might cost me my life,
lose an eye, or put me in a wheel chair. Well; in the future, I'll be able to
explore every corner of the globe to my heart's content in perfect safety and
thoroughly enjoy myself without worrying about hazards associated with the
journey like piranha, head hunters, frost bite, hypothermia, violent storms,
hijackers, terrorists, bandits, and/or shipwreck.
One thing that prevents many of us from touring the world is old age. Well,
diminished capacity will never again be a factor dictating what I can eat and
drink, were I can go, nor whether I can make it.
● Rev 20:5-6 . . But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that
hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.
People in Hell are not only in terrible discomfort, but they're also missing out
on the pleasures of adventure, discovery, and exploration; which are three
very stimulating activities that, just about everybody I've ever met would
agree, make one's existence worthwhile.
Pop Clock Update: 4,044 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 222,808,224
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
I obtain quite a bit of useful information from YouTube; for example how to
replace a microwave oven motor, resolve a computer issue, and/or adjust an
electric guitar's intonation.
I also tour the world with YouTube, visiting amazing man-made wonders and
natural wonders too. I will likely never travel and get to see those wonders
for myself as they really are before I'm dead; but out ahead is coming a
one-thousand year era on Earth wherein I've no doubt there will be plenty of
opportunity to see everything in the next life that I missed in this one.
● Rev 20:6 . . Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first
resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be
priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
I suspect that God is keeping a massive, fully comprehensive library that can
satisfy all my curiosity-- an archive of information far exceeding the contents
of the great library of Alexandria. For example: how did the ancient
Egyptians build the pyramids? How did the people of Easter Island move
those massive stone heads into position? Is there an end to space; and if so,
what's on the other side? Things like that; but also nature's secrets too. How
did nature fashion those remarkable rock formations in Utah? Or carve out
the Grand Canyon?
There are many mysteries like those that I sincerely hope to find answers to
some day. But people in Hell won't be allowed access to God's library. They
will never get answers to their deepest questions about the cosmos; nor be
allowed to travel to all the exotic places on Earth that they missed in this life
before passing on to the next.
Another benefit to the coming era is safety. I will have nothing to fear from
the animal kingdom like I do now, and plus; those of us who make the cut
will be immortal; so we won't fear heights, nor speed, nor any other risk. I
love to explore, but don't like to explore places that might cost me my life,
lose an eye, or put me in a wheel chair. Well; in the future, I'll be able to
explore every corner of the globe to my heart's content in perfect safety and
thoroughly enjoy myself without worrying about hazards associated with the
journey like piranha, head hunters, frost bite, hypothermia, violent storms,
hijackers, terrorists, bandits, and/or shipwreck.
One thing that prevents many of us from touring the world is old age. Well,
diminished capacity will never again be a factor dictating what I can eat and
drink, were I can go, nor whether I can make it.
● Rev 20:5-6 . . But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that
hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.
People in Hell are not only in terrible discomfort, but they're also missing out
on the pleasures of adventure, discovery, and exploration; which are three
very stimulating activities that, just about everybody I've ever met would
agree, make one's existence worthwhile.
Pop Clock Update: 4,044 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 222,808,224
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
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Writing to the Christians in Colossi, the apostle Paul said:
"Do not lie to each other since you have taken off your old self with its
practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge
in the image of its Creator." (Col 3:9-10)
Humanity's original self began its created existence in the image of God
(Gen 1:26-27). In other words; Adam started off as an honest man. Clearly
then; dishonesty doesn't reflect the image of God, rather, it reflects the
Devil's image. (John 8:44)
The Greek word translated "renewed" basically means to renovate; defined
by Webster's defines as: (1) to restore to a former better state (as by
cleaning, repairing, or rebuilding), and (2) to restore to life, vigor, or
activity, i.e. revive.
The word appears in only one other place in the entire New Testament at
2Cor 4:16, which says:
"Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed
day by day."
Sometimes renovation requires demolition and beginning all over again from
scratch, In other words: total regeneration.
The Greek word translated "knowledge" basically refers to recognition, i.e.
acknowledgement, viz: discernment.
Reconstruction of one's innermost being-- especially the conscience --is
essential because humanity's intuitive knowledge of what's acceptable and
what's unacceptable is unreliable due to the forbidden fruit incident
portrayed in the third chapter of Genesis.
This relates to one of the tragedies of Hell. People down there never gave
God an opportunity to overhaul their spiritual condition; so now they're no
better as persons in the afterlife than they were in this life. After all is said
and done-- after the big judgment of Rev 20:11-15 is completed, and the
new cosmos of Rev 21:1 is up and running --Christ caps everything by
announcing:
"Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue
to be vile." (Rev 22:10)
In other words: people who end up on the wrong side of things will remain
just as much in need of renovation there as they were here-- but it won't be
available.
Pop Clock Update: 4,049 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 223,083,704
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
Writing to the Christians in Colossi, the apostle Paul said:
"Do not lie to each other since you have taken off your old self with its
practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge
in the image of its Creator." (Col 3:9-10)
Humanity's original self began its created existence in the image of God
(Gen 1:26-27). In other words; Adam started off as an honest man. Clearly
then; dishonesty doesn't reflect the image of God, rather, it reflects the
Devil's image. (John 8:44)
The Greek word translated "renewed" basically means to renovate; defined
by Webster's defines as: (1) to restore to a former better state (as by
cleaning, repairing, or rebuilding), and (2) to restore to life, vigor, or
activity, i.e. revive.
The word appears in only one other place in the entire New Testament at
2Cor 4:16, which says:
"Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed
day by day."
Sometimes renovation requires demolition and beginning all over again from
scratch, In other words: total regeneration.
The Greek word translated "knowledge" basically refers to recognition, i.e.
acknowledgement, viz: discernment.
Reconstruction of one's innermost being-- especially the conscience --is
essential because humanity's intuitive knowledge of what's acceptable and
what's unacceptable is unreliable due to the forbidden fruit incident
portrayed in the third chapter of Genesis.
This relates to one of the tragedies of Hell. People down there never gave
God an opportunity to overhaul their spiritual condition; so now they're no
better as persons in the afterlife than they were in this life. After all is said
and done-- after the big judgment of Rev 20:11-15 is completed, and the
new cosmos of Rev 21:1 is up and running --Christ caps everything by
announcing:
"Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue
to be vile." (Rev 22:10)
In other words: people who end up on the wrong side of things will remain
just as much in need of renovation there as they were here-- but it won't be
available.
Pop Clock Update: 4,049 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 223,083,704
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
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● Matt 22:36-40 . . Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and
with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great
commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor
as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The Greek verb translated "love" doesn't necessarily imply either affection
and/or fondness. It's just as much about the way we treat our fellow men as
our personal feelings about them. This is the kind of love that we ought to
be extending to everyone-- friend, foe, family, and stranger alike. It's the
very same love that Jesus taught in Matt 5:44 which reads:
"You have heard that it was said: You shall love your neighbor, and hate
your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies,"
In other words; you don't especially have to like your neighbors, you family,
and/or your enemies, but you do have to be benevolent, i.e. courteous,
kind, charitable, tolerant, patient, diplomatic, tactful, gentle, reasonable,
fair, deferential, cordial, genial, affable, sociable, helpful, thoughtful,
sympathetic, considerate, and cooperative, etc. And of course those all apply
to the way that people associate with God too because the same Greek verb
is used of loving God as loving one's neighbors and enemies.
The above tells me that quite a few people are on the road to Hell simply
because their manners are uncivil, and insufferable, with both God and Man,
viz: they not only aren't nice to their fellow men, but they aren't even nice
to God-- they don't care about marginalizing Him, tuning Him out, insulting
Him, chafing Him, and/or hurting His feelings. In other words: the most
important of all the commandments bounces off their thick skulls like a
banana thrown at a Russian tank.
Pop Clock Update: 4,054 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 223,359,184
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
● Matt 22:36-40 . . Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and
with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great
commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor
as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The Greek verb translated "love" doesn't necessarily imply either affection
and/or fondness. It's just as much about the way we treat our fellow men as
our personal feelings about them. This is the kind of love that we ought to
be extending to everyone-- friend, foe, family, and stranger alike. It's the
very same love that Jesus taught in Matt 5:44 which reads:
"You have heard that it was said: You shall love your neighbor, and hate
your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies,"
In other words; you don't especially have to like your neighbors, you family,
and/or your enemies, but you do have to be benevolent, i.e. courteous,
kind, charitable, tolerant, patient, diplomatic, tactful, gentle, reasonable,
fair, deferential, cordial, genial, affable, sociable, helpful, thoughtful,
sympathetic, considerate, and cooperative, etc. And of course those all apply
to the way that people associate with God too because the same Greek verb
is used of loving God as loving one's neighbors and enemies.
The above tells me that quite a few people are on the road to Hell simply
because their manners are uncivil, and insufferable, with both God and Man,
viz: they not only aren't nice to their fellow men, but they aren't even nice
to God-- they don't care about marginalizing Him, tuning Him out, insulting
Him, chafing Him, and/or hurting His feelings. In other words: the most
important of all the commandments bounces off their thick skulls like a
banana thrown at a Russian tank.
Pop Clock Update: 4,054 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 223,359,184
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
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● John 18:37-38 . . Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice. Pilate said
to him: What is truth?
Pilate's question was meaningful in his day because ancient philosophers
perpetually discussed and debated the nature of truth without ever achieving
a unanimous decision about it.
Well; one of Webster's definitions of "truth" is: a state of being the case; viz:
fact; which Webster's defines as the quality of being actual. In other words:
truth is the way it is; viz: truth is reality as opposed to speculation, fantasy,
opinion, error, inaccuracy, inexactness, theory, imagination, and false
impressions, etc.
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.
Bohemian Rhapsody, QUEEN 1975
Pop Clock Update: 4,059 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 223,634,664
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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● John 18:37-38 . . Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice. Pilate said
to him: What is truth?
Pilate's question was meaningful in his day because ancient philosophers
perpetually discussed and debated the nature of truth without ever achieving
a unanimous decision about it.
Well; one of Webster's definitions of "truth" is: a state of being the case; viz:
fact; which Webster's defines as the quality of being actual. In other words:
truth is the way it is; viz: truth is reality as opposed to speculation, fantasy,
opinion, error, inaccuracy, inexactness, theory, imagination, and false
impressions, etc.
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.
Bohemian Rhapsody, QUEEN 1975
Pop Clock Update: 4,059 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 223,634,664
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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