Holliness Theology Vs. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ

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Holiness theology is a law-based doctrine that places the burden of justification and salvation on the believer. Some of the religions that support holiness salvation are Catholicism, Judaism, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Seventh Day Adventist, Pentecostalism. Holiness religions can be found in most mainstream organized religions. Before I discovered the Gospel and justification by faith, I was a holiness, Christian. Most holiness Christians reject the historical Gospel of Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith. This is unfortunate because no one will be saved without faith in Christ and his Gospel.

Holiness believers, believe that they must participate in their salvation by doing good works and keeping the commandments. "Being holy". Paul said, "Therefore by the deeds of the law (what you do) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law (what you do) is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20. Holiness Christians believe that if they are not doing good works and obedience to the law they will not be saved. Many of the Galatians were holiness Christians this is why Paul wrote.

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law (what we do) but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law (what we do) shall no flesh be justified" Galatians 2:16.


This scripture and many others like it have caused many to reject Paul and his Gospel. Any religious thing that we do is a work of the law. Trying to be saved by the works of the law (what we do) is not of the faith and is under the judgment of God and is why Paul wrote, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is there is no transgression" Romans 4:15. It is not wise to be under the law or subject to it. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn. Why anyone would want to be subject to the law is a mystery to me. Yet multitudes of holiness Christians are under the law and will be judged by it.

In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles them unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. No laws, rules or religion needed. We are justified by faith alone, because we are justified by Christ alone. Jesus justifies us by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. It was Jesus that fulfilled the law and then abolished it, Romans 10:4. There are no laws or rules for Christians because Christ is our righteousness and we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
 
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The Catholic church has changed the meaning of the word "Grace". The biblical meaning of the word grace means God's grace. God's unmerited favor towards fallen man. The holiness meaning of the word "Grace" means something that God does in the heart of the believer that makes him acceptable to God. God does not do something in the heart of the believer to save him. Salvation is totally and completely outside of us and is only found in the work and the person of Jesus Christ who is our substitute and representative.
 
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Holiness theology is a law-based doctrine that places the burden of justification and salvation on the believer. Some of the religions that support holiness salvation are Catholicism, Judaism, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Seventh Day Adventist, Pentecostalism. Holiness religions can be found in most mainstream organized religions. Before I discovered the Gospel and justification by faith, I was a holiness, Christian. Most holiness Christians reject the historical Gospel of Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith. This is unfortunate because no one will be saved without faith in Christ and his Gospel.
Most people misstate the beliefs of others, especially the beliefs of the opponents to their position. It is generally better to simply present an "affirmative argument" [ie. state what YOU BELIEVE to be truth] and allow anyone that disagrees to attempt to prove your argument wrong. By starting with the "negative argument" ["Group XYZ believes this which is false"] you risk your topic being derailed into an argument about whether Group XYZ actually believes what you claim, rather than discussing the TRUTH that you came to present.

I cannot speak for all Pentacostals, but I know of at least one Pentacostal church that is not what you describe and they would argue with your claim ABOUT THEM (not about grace).
 

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"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law (what we do) but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law (what we do) shall no flesh be justified" Galatians 2:16.

This scripture and many others like it have caused many to reject Paul and his Gospel. Any religious thing that we do is a work of the law. Trying to be saved by the works of the law (what we do) is not of the faith and is under the judgment of God and is why Paul wrote, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is there is no transgression" Romans 4:15. It is not wise to be under the law or subject to it. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn. Why anyone would want to be subject to the law is a mystery to me. Yet multitudes of holiness Christians are under the law and will be judged by it.

In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles them unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. No laws, rules or religion needed. We are justified by faith alone, because we are justified by Christ alone. Jesus justifies us by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. It was Jesus that fulfilled the law and then abolished it, Romans 10:4. There are no laws or rules for Christians because Christ is our righteousness and we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
I prefer Romans 10:9-10 as a starting point for salvation:

Romans 10:9-10 [CSB] If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation.

It points to several important truths ...
  • this salvation is a HEART THING ...
    • believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead
    • that makes "believe" a FAITH thing ... which Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us is a "gift from God"
    • believing results in righteousness ... that is RIGHT STANDING WITH GOD
    • righteousness makes believing/salvation a RELATIONSHIP thing
  • this salvation is a MOUTH THING ...
    • confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord"
    • "Lord" carries a double meaning and BOTH are important
    • Jesus is the LORD ... We confess that Jesus is God ... (Not just think it, but be willing to PROCLAIM IT for everyone to hear).
    • Jesus is Our Lord ... We belong to Him ... Jesus is in charge ... (again, not just think it, but be willing to SAY IT OUT LOUD!)
    • confessing with our mouth results in salvation ... we are saved IN HIM ... when we acknowledge before men that we BELONG to Him and He is GOD, then we are HIS ... and Jesus knows how to save those that are His.
Does that make our salvation a cooperative work (synergysm), sure ... in the sense that we provide the helpless corpse, dead in sin and God provides "so great a salvation". Most people call that God's saving grace (monergistic) ... [but some people like to get pedantic.]

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Most people misstate the beliefs of others, especially the beliefs of the opponents to their position. It is generally better to simply present an "affirmative argument" [ie. state what YOU BELIEVE to be truth] and allow anyone that disagrees to attempt to prove your argument wrong. By starting with the "negative argument" ["Group XYZ believes this which is false"] you risk your topic being derailed into an argument about whether Group XYZ actually believes what you claim, rather than discussing the TRUTH that you came to present.

I cannot speak for all Pentacostals, but I know of at least one Pentacostal church that is not what you describe and they would argue with your claim ABOUT THEM (not about grace).
Pentecostalism is based upon Acts chapter 2. They missed what happened in Acts chapter 2 completely.

Acts chapter 2 is about the Gospel coming into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. What were they talking about on the day of Pentecost? They were talking about "The wonderful works of God" Acts 2:11. Which is the Gospel. The Gospel is sub grated to nothing and replaced with a subjective personal experience of speaking in tongues. The tongues were foreign languages. Everyone was hearing about "The wonderful works of God" (the Gospel) in their own tongue. Many cults also speak in tongues. Pentecostalism is a diversion away from Christ and his Gospel.
 

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I prefer Romans 10:9-10 as a starting point for salvation:

Romans 10:9-10 [CSB] If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation.

It points to several important truths ...
  • this salvation is a HEART THING ...
    • believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead
    • that makes "believe" a FAITH thing ... which Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us is a "gift from God"
    • believing results in righteousness ... that is RIGHT STANDING WITH GOD
    • righteousness makes believing/salvation a RELATIONSHIP thing
  • this salvation is a MOUTH THING ...
    • confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord"
    • "Lord" carries a double meaning and BOTH are important
    • Jesus is the LORD ... We confess that Jesus is God ... (Not just think it, but be willing to PROCLAIM IT for everyone to hear).
    • Jesus is Our Lord ... We belong to Him ... Jesus is in charge ... (again, not just think it, but be willing to SAY IT OUT LOUD!)
    • confessing with our mouth results in salvation ... we are saved IN HIM ... when we acknowledge before men that we BELONG to Him and He is GOD, then we are HIS ... and Jesus knows how to save those that are His.
Does that make our salvation a cooperative work (synergysm), sure ... in the sense that we provide the helpless corpse, dead in sin and God provides "so great a salvation". Most people call that God's saving grace (monergistic) ... [but some people like to get pedantic.]

:cool:
Romans 10:9-10 is a response to the Gospel. We hear, we believe, and we are born again by the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23. I agree with you.
 

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Pentecostalism is based upon Acts chapter 2. They missed what happened in Acts chapter 2 completely.

Acts chapter 2 is about the Gospel coming into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. What were they talking about on the day of Pentecost? They were talking about "The wonderful works of God" Acts 2:11. Which is the Gospel. The Gospel is sub grated to nothing and replaced with a subjective personal experience of speaking in tongues. The tongues were foreign languages. Everyone was hearing about "The wonderful works of God" (the Gospel) in their own tongue. Many cults also speak in tongues. Pentecostalism is a diversion away from Christ and his Gospel.

The problem in America isn't so much what people don't know; the problem is what people think they know that just ain't so.​

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The Catholic church has changed the meaning of the word "Grace". The biblical meaning of the word grace means God's grace. God's unmerited favor towards fallen man. The holiness meaning of the word "Grace" means something that God does in the heart of the believer that makes him acceptable to God. God does not do something in the heart of the believer to save him.

This goes directly against the idea that a person has to be born of the Spirit...within a heart... in order to be able to enter and/or see the kingdom of God.
Salvation is totally and completely outside of us and is only found in the work and the person of Jesus Christ who is our substitute and representative.
This is totally false...UNLESS...you mean that we have to go to God to enter INTO Christ for salvation from the power of sin and not just be satisfied with a sample of grace received at regeneration.

Again, missing balance here.
 
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The problem in America isn't so much what people don't know; the problem is what people think they know that just ain't so.​

- Will Rogers
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This goes directly against the idea that a person has to be born of the Spirit...within a heart... in order to be able to enter and/or see the kingdom of God.

This is totally false...UNLESS...you mean that we have to go to God to enter INTO Christ for salvation from the power of sin and not just be satisfied with a sample of grace received at regeneration.

Again, missing balance here.
Paul said, "For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith; and not that of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8. God was gracious in that he sent his only begotten Son into the world to save fallen man.

There is nothing in the Bible about receiving grace at regeneration. What do you mean by that? It appears that you have the same perverted understanding of the word grace that the Catholics have.
 

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I think what most people react against is the holiness" movement" whereby people try to look holy to be accepted by other people.

What is also hated..but not really responded to is ACTUAL HOLINESS in those who walk in the higher spiritual kingdom walk. People also hate that but will instead attack the person who is there...trying to disagree with the Bible by just ignoring what is written.
 
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Paul said, "For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith; and not that of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8. God was gracious in that he sent his only begotten Son into the world to save fallen man.

There is nothing in the Bible about receiving grace at regeneration. What do you mean by that? It appears that you have the same perverted understanding of the word grace that the Catholics have.
The perversion lies in what you are doing to the gospel. Grace is the power of God us-ward who believe ...that gives us the strength to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. Anything less is a perversion of the truth.
 
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The perversion lies in what you are doing to the gospel. Grace is the power of God us-ward who believe ...that gives us the strength to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. Anything less is a perversion of the truth.
You sound like a typical holiness. You are not capable of walking as Jesus walked. Simply because you are still here on the earth in your sinful unredeemed Adamic body, Romans 8:23. You must believe that Paul is a heretic.
 

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I think what most people react against is the holiness" movement" whereby people try to look holy to be accepted by other people.

What is also hated..but not really responded to is ACTUAL HOLINESS in those who walk in the higher spiritual kingdom walk. People also hate that but will instead attack the person who is there...trying to disagree with the Bible by just ignoring what is written.
The holiness movement has been going on for thousands of years. It is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. It is an attempt to be saved and justified by the works of the law.
 

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You sound like a typical holiness. You are not capable of walking as Jesus walked.
You are limiting the gospel to what you can do...rather than on what God can do. Do you believe you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you?

Simply because you are still here on the earth in your sinful unredeemed Adamic body, Romans 8:23. You must believe that Paul is a heretic.
Jesus had a body just like ours...and yet He walked in a higher power. That power is ours by faith...through His resurrection life we have His grace through faith.

Paul was a champion of that higher walk in Christ. That's why he suffered as he did. In fact, people misunderstand Paul by comparing him to themselves. .
 
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You are limiting the gospel to what you can do...rather than on what God can do. Do you believe you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you?


Jesus had a body just like ours...and yet He walked in a higher power. That power is ours by faith...through His resurrection life we have His grace through faith.

Paul was a champion of that higher walk in Christ. That's why he suffered as he did. In fact, people misunderstand Paul by comparing him to themselves. .
Naaa, Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25. The Gospel is not about us. The Gospel is about Jesus Christ. His life, His death, His resurrection. God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Jesus didn't come into the world to show us the way. He is the way, John 14:6. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus we are ALREADY complete in him, Colossians 2:10. You cannot make yourself any holier than what you ALREADY are in Christ. You need to stop being religious and rest in Christ, Hebrews 4:10.