homosexuality and ethics

[2ndRateMind]

so I guess jesus did not love us while we were yet sinners?? or he loved our sin?

As I recall, the Christian folklore saying is: 'Hate the sin, but love the sinner.' It's a position I find perfectly reasonable, allowing us both to discriminate between good and evil, but still, as Jesus commanded us, to love our enemies. All that is necessary is to distinguish between what they are, and what they do.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[2ndRateMind]

I don't agree with that statement, loving the sinner would be loving the sin he or she committed, that's liberal talk.

Speaking as an unabashed liberal, I just don't understand what part of liberalism conservatives don't get. Indeed, one can make a good case for God being a liberal, seeing as how He allows us the freedom to do as we please, provided only that if we do wrong we should be prepared to accept the consequences, temporal and spiritual, as they apply to us and to others.

Best wishes, 2RM

 

[simonpeter]

I agree

 

[Dropship]

Oh, yucky, poo, poo.
What exactly do you think that "gays get up to with each other"?

Well I'd like to think it's monopoly, scrabble or chess, but I very much doubt it..

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Sorry, but this assumes the unbiblical view that Man is inherently good. We're not.

Behold, I was brought forth in guilt,
And in sin my mother conceived me. (Psalm 51:5)

See Romans 7. The biblical understanding of "Sin" (with an upper-case "S") is that it is more than what we do, more than transgression against a commandment; it is a deep "bent"-ness, a controlling power within us that makes us self-centered and rebellious against God. This has been recognized by Christians for at least 1800 years, from Augustine of Hippo's "Original Sin" through John Calvin's "Total Depravity". You DO see it in babies who want what they want RIGHT NOW, and to hell with everyone else's needs. And they'll scream until they get it. Sin is as natural in us as breathing.

7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? Far from it! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about Lust if the Law had not said, “You shall not desire.” (Romans 7:7)

Remember Luther and Calvin's "First Use of The Law": To identify Sin for what it really is. If you're going to go down that Romans road, make sure you remember your own sinfulness, and tell them the good news: That God loves them and Christ died for them.

There is no way that a persons can be "born" a homosexual, or trans, etc, any more than they can be "born" a murderer or thief! These are what people CHOOSE to do, and not in their DNA as Created by Almighty God

 

[2ndRateMind]

There is no way that a persons can be "born" a homosexual, or trans, etc, any more than they can be "born" a murderer or thief! These are what people CHOOSE to do, and not in their DNA as Created by Almighty God

I'm not entirely sure I agree. I find I am sexually attracted to beautiful women a lot, and handsome men not at all. It could have been the other way round, but it isn't. 'Twin' studies by scientists show considerable consistency in sexuality among monozygotic (identical) twins, rather less so among dizygotic (non-identical) twins, and none at all among ordinary siblings. To me, this indicates that our various sexualities are affected by our genetic make-up, always remembering that our genes do not determine our behaviour, merely influence it.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I'm not entirely sure I agree. I find I am sexually attracted to beautiful women a lot, and handsome men not at all. It could have been the other way round, but it isn't. 'Twin' studies by scientists show considerable consistency in sexuality among monozygotic (identical) twins, rather less so among dizygotic (non-identical) twins, and none at all among ordinary siblings. To me, this indicates that our various sexualities are affected by our genetic make-up, always remembering that our genes do not determine our behaviour, simply influence it.

Best wishes, 2RM.

the Bible is the Infallible Perfect Word of God, not "science" which is man-made rubbish most of the time!

 

[2ndRateMind]

the Bible is the Infallible Perfect Word of God,..

How do you know? Are you God?

...not "science" which is man-made rubbish most of the time!

Man made rubbish? My attitude is quite different than this. We live in a science-heavy world, (and it works, which is all the proof of science I need) and all science must have first been invented by God, before it could be implemented in the creation. So science, for me, is thinking God's thoughts, after Him.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Lambano]

There is no way that a persons can be "born" a homosexual, or trans, etc, any more than they can be "born" a murderer or thief! These are what people CHOOSE to do, and not in their DNA as Created by Almighty God

Oh? Murder and stealing are just outward expressions of the self-centeredness and anger and covetousness within. Just as using porn and masturbation and heterosexual licentiousness are outward expressions of the lust and selfishness within. Anger and covetousness and lust and selfishness are natural in human beings. We're just trained from childhood to restrain our behavior.

Did you choose to be sexually attracted to women? Or you just are? Lesbians didn't choose to be sexually attracted to other women; they just are. Gay men didn't choose to be sexually attracted to other men; they just are. They can choose to be celibate, but the attraction is still there.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

How do you know? Are you God?



Man made rubbish? My attitude is quite different than this. We live in a science-heavy world, and all science must have first been invented by God, before it could be implemented in the creation. So science, for me, is thinking God's thoughts, after Him.

Best wishes, 2RM.

anyone who does not believe that the Original Autographs, which God has preserved in Bible Versions like the KJV, NKJV, etc, cannot really ba a true Bible-believing Christian, and their "faith" is false

What complete rubbish, "and all science must have first been invented by God", shows that you believe in fairy tales! the demonic heresy known as "evolution", is supposed to be a "science", which is AGAINST the Holy Bible, and comes from the devil himself!

 

[Lambano]

How do you know? Are you God?



Man made rubbish? My attitude is quite different than this. We live in a science-heavy world, (and it works, which is all the proof of science I need) and all science must have first been invented by God, before it could be implemented in the creation. So science, for me, is thinking God's thoughts, after Him.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Science is just Man trying to reverse-engineer "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". We wanna take it apart and see what makes it go!

 

[2ndRateMind]

Did you choose to be sexually attracted to women? Or you just are? Lesbians didn't choose to be sexually attracted to other women; they just are. Gay men didn't choose to be sexually attracted to other men; they just are. They can choose to be celibate, but the attraction is still there.

Precisely. So our sexualities are innate, which implies genetic predisposition.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Oh? Murder and stealing are just outward expressions of the self-centeredness and anger and covetousness within. Just as using porn and masturbation and heterosexual licentiousness are outward expressions of the lust and selfishness within. Anger and covetousness and lust and selfishness are natural in human beings. We're just trained from childhood to restrain our behavior.

Did you choose to be sexually attracted to women? Or you just are? Lesbians didn't choose to be sexually attracted to other women; they just are. Gay men didn't choose to be sexually attracted to other men; they just are. They can choose to be celibate, but the attraction is still there.

strawman arguments! Homosexuality is very clearly said to be SINNERS in the Bible. There is not a single person who can be "born" as sexually attracted to the same sex, as God has made sure of this, when we read in Romans 1:27, "Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due", the word "natural" here in the Greek, "φυσικός", has the meaning "inborn", which means that it is part of every humans dna as Created by God, to be attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexuality, trans, incest, etc, are DEMONIC!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Precisely. So our sexualities are innate, which implies genetic predisposition.

Best wishes, 2RM.

demonic heresy of the highest order!

 

[Lambano]

strawman arguments! Homosexuality is very clearly said to be SINNERS in the Bible. There is not a single person who can be "born" as sexually attracted to the same sex, as God has made sure of this...

My goodness, you're excitable today. You have no idea how badly The Fall has warped human nature. Our sexuality is just one of the areas where our fallenness shows up.

Hey, you know where Augustine got his understanding of Original Sin, which is the progenitor of the Reformed concept of Total Depravity? He got it from contemplating his own genitalia, how the little guy seemed to have a mind of his own. Other philosophers just contemplate their navels; Augustine went deeper.

 

[2ndRateMind]

How do you know? Are you God?



Man made rubbish? My attitude is quite different than this. We live in a science-heavy world, (and science works, which is all the proof of it I need) and all science must have first been invented by God, before it could be implemented in the creation. So science, for me, is thinking God's thoughts, after Him.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Behold]

I don't agree with that statement, loving the sinner would be loving the sin he or she committed, that's liberal talk.

Jesus came here to die for Sinners.
Why? Because He loves them, including you.

Jesus spent more time with sinners, then he spent with the self righteous hyper religious who looked down on sinners.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

My goodness, you're excitable today. You have no idea how badly The Fall has warped human nature. Our sexuality is just one of the areas where our fallenness shows up.

it is very simple. either the Bible is right, when it very clearly says that homosexuality is SIN, or so called "science". Both cannot be right. I know that I 100% believe in what the Bible says, as it is ALONE the Infallible Word of Almighty God.

I like the KJV on 1 Timothy 6:20-21, as it is 100% RIGHT!

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen

 

[2ndRateMind]

demonic heresy of the highest order!

There are none so blind as those who will not see!

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Lambano]

it is very simple. either the Bible is right, when it very clearly says that homosexuality is SIN, or so called "science".

The Bible is VERY clear on the subject of human depravity. We're not even talking about the same thing. Sin is "natural' for fallen Man.