brightmorningstar
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Aspen2,
Thanks for the response, this is a great point.
However
Your subsequent logic is therefore at odds with your previous statement. If one doesn’t believe the sin that Christ died to forgive us on the cross, one is deceived as to what Christ did for us on the cross.
Assume someone said they steal because they believe what Christ did for them on the cross. One cant believe what Christ did for them on the cross unless it is what He actually did.
aspen2,
Are monogamous same-sex relations which lead to eternal death worse than promiscuous ones which lead to eternal death?
Thanks for the response, this is a great point.
Which is the key bit Amen we agree, which gives me great pleasure to say.My premise: People who believe that homosexuality (including homosexuals in the church) is acceptable behavior before God are either confused about what God believes about homosexual behavior, in denial, or purposefully being deceptive; or any combination, thereof.
Amen.Therefore - it would seem to some that 1 is correct - that believers (the very word depends on it!) must believe all the tenets of Christianity to be counted as believers.
However
oxymoron. He taught about what He did on the cross. So to believe what He did for us on the cross is to believe what He taught. Furthermore, for example in John 14 we see Jesus says that when we love Him He will be in us, and us in Him, in John 15 we see that He says if we keep His commands, we will remain in His love. So if one doesn't keep His commands one doesnt love Him and isnt in Him.Salvation is found in our belief in what Christ did for us on the Cross - not in what He taught.
Your subsequent logic is therefore at odds with your previous statement. If one doesn’t believe the sin that Christ died to forgive us on the cross, one is deceived as to what Christ did for us on the cross.
Assume someone said they steal because they believe what Christ did for them on the cross. One cant believe what Christ did for them on the cross unless it is what He actually did.
Passages such as Matthew 25 show that not to be the case, to some who come and claim Lord, Lord He will say He never knew because they did not do what He teaches.rather than simple belief in His death (ultimate act of love for us) was not the only requirement.
So as you see by definition is it correct.Therefore your conclusion that all believers must choose the first option, by definition, is faulty.
A potential believer is not a believer, they are a potential believer. Potential means it might happen. So a potential believer is not a true believer.HOWEVER, I do not believe, that a potential believer's belief in the first option, necessarily excludes them from being a true believer, either - so rest easy tonight
aspen2,
Like what? What is worse than the potential of eternal death?The fact is, there are much worse things a homosexual can engage in than a monogamous same-sex relationship.
Are monogamous same-sex relations which lead to eternal death worse than promiscuous ones which lead to eternal death?