HOW DO WE KNOW THAT CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED ON FRIDAY APRIL 30 AD?

[Grailhunter]

How do we know that Christ was crucified on Friday 30 AD?
How do we know that the next day was a double Sabbath.... Saturday the Jewish Sabbath and Passover?

 

[Christian Gedge]

How do we know that Christ was crucified on Friday 30 AD?

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you asking that question?
I pretty much explained that.

 

[Christian Gedge]

I bungled my post. lol, I meant to exclaim: WOT! No replies? The most important date in the history of the world and not a single reply!!!

 

[Tommy Cool]

How do we know that Christ was crucified on Friday 30 AD?
How do we know that the next day was a double Sabbath.... Saturday the Jewish Sabbath and Passover?

He wasn’t … that was fed to us by the traditions of men, brought about by the harmony of the gospels... which has screwed up many things that surround the crucifixion. The Word clearly marks out the days when it took place.

Crucified - Nisan 14 (Wednesday) before sunset.

He was raised - Nisan 17 (Saturday) sometime before sunset.


Thursday Nisan 15 was a high day (special sabbath)

Saturday Nisan 17 was the weekly sabbath

 

[Grailhunter]

He wasn’t … that was fed to us by the traditions of men, brought about by the harmony of the gospels... which has screwed up many things that surround the crucifixion. The Word clearly marks out the days when it took place.

Crucified - Nisan 14 (Wednesday) before sunset.

He was raised - Nisan 17 (Saturday) sometime before sunset.


Thursday Nisan 15 was a high day (special sabbath)

Saturday Nisan 17 was the weekly sabbath

Not a chance.

 

[Tommy Cool]

Not a chance.

It would be ridiculous to take my word for it …. But the question is: will you take Gods word for it?

It may seem miniscule when you weigh this in the balance of what was accomplished on the cross …. But God thought it important enough to have it documented …. so in that respect…. it is important.


A Sign

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

There are many scripture (19) that give reference to Jesus being raised the third day …. but this account in Matthew ….. Jesus states that He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. That was the sign to the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees to whom He was speaking.

Whenever the term day or night is used singularly in the Bible it can mean all or part of a day or evening (night). But the term night (evening) and day together always indicates a 24 hour period. In Gen 1:5,8,13,19,&23 …. God sets the standard for a full day… of which Jesus was fully aware of as noted in John 11:9.

There are those who try to qualify Jesus’s statement of 3 days and 3 nights with their own twisting and reference to an idiom … The problem is --- they are trying to qualify man’s tradition to fit their belief …but it doesn’t work that way. God sets the standard for truth …not man! …..Man can be right and they can be wrong…. the only way to verify what man states…. is to check it with what God says. My personal belief…. the things I was taught are irrelevant, if they do not line up with the Word of God …and for me…. the Word is the final authority for truth.

We can track the precise day that Jesus was crucified by counting forward or backward. Forward from John 12:1 or backward from the Passover (which is Nisan 14) or The feast of unleavened bread which was Nisan 15 ....at sunset of the 14th….. (as that is when the next day begins.)

Passover is the 14th but the Passover meal is eaten at the beginning of the 15th (evening). The feast of unleavened bread lasts for 7 days and the first day (Thursday 15th) and last day (Wednesday 21st) of the feast are high days (special sabbaths) as dictated by God → Num 28:18 and Num 28:25 . A special sabbath is different from the weekly sabbath which falls on Saturday. A special sabbath would be like when Christmas (which is always celebrated on 12/25) fell on a Wednesday …it would a special sabbath …but does not negate the weekly sabbath on our Sunday. The special sabbath (high day) for the first day of the feast of unleavened bread (Thursday Nisan 15) is noted in John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) …


Days

6 days before the Passover. (Scripture not listed but I will provided scripture for each day if requested)

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom He raised from the dead.

We know from the Word that Passover was on the 14th of Nisan (formally called Abid)

Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the LORD.

17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.


Thursday Nisan 8 - six days before Passover.

Friday Nisan 9 - Jesus makes his first entry into Jerusalem (on an ass's colt.)

Saturday Nisan 10 - weekly sabbath → do no manner of servile work / second entry into Jerusalem (ass and a colt) /the Passover lamb is selected


(For more on the two entries…. see post below)


Sunday Nisan 11 - first day of the week /Jesus taught in Temple confronted by Sadducees, Pharisees & Herodians.

Monday Nisan 12 – Dinner at Simon the Leper / Jesus sends Peter & John to secure a place for Passover

Tuesday Nisan 13 – Last supper (not Passover) / garden of Gethsemane / Jesus taken by solders possibly around 9 or 10 pm…. interrogated and tortured throughout the night and day of the 13th.

Wednesday Nisan 14 – Interrogation and torture continued late into the evening of the 14 and crucified at 9am on the morning of the 14th (nearly 40 hours of interrogation and torture.) / Jesus gave His life up at 3 pm (our time). He was wrapped in a linen by Joseph of Arimathea and placed in the tomb provided by Joseph. Shortly afterwards (sometime before sunset) Nicodemus came with the myrrh and aloes and did the grave wrappings on Jesus.

Thursday Nisan 15 - High day special sabbath. No work to be done

Friday Nisan 16 women buy the spices to perform proper burial ....unaware of Nicodemus’s prior actions.

Saturday Nisan 17 weekly sabbath do no manner of servile work /God raises Jesus sometime before sunset 72 hours after being in the heart of the earth.

Sunday Nisan 18 - First day of the week / Mary Magdalene sees the tomb empty John_20:1 / first fruits wave-offering

 

[Tommy Cool]

Two different entries that Jesus had into Jerusalem

There is a biblical aspect to the donkeys that Jesus rode ….one in judgment (Friday Nisan 9) and the other as King (Saturday Nisan 10)

Following is both entries that took place. There are several differences between the two entries, I have mentioned a few, but it is not exhaustive. All scripture is linked KJV to save space….you will need to read those to see how this unfolds.


First entry into Jerusalem

The 9th of Nisan (Friday) 5 days before Passover (as per John 12:1)

Jhn 12:12-19, Luk 19:29-44, Mar 11:1-11

This is the first entry into Jerusalem. Only one animal …an ass’s colt was involved.

In eastern culture a ruler riding on an ass’s colt was indicative of judgment

Jdg 5:10, Jdg 10:3&4, Jdg 12:13&14


Understanding eastern culture.

In the east…. animals were donated to the temple for God’s service…. and were kept in a special place. These temple animals were usually in a stable on the outskirts of town where they were always ready for temple use. They could be used by any holy man in service to the Lord, as they were gifts to God according to biblical culture.

The first entry was an assessment to pass judgment. The last word in Luk 19:44 is visitation = (episkopē)…

meaning “inspection, overlooking”


Jesus’s second entry… the next day

Mar 11:12&13 makes this Nisan 10 (Saturday)


Mat 21:1 And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,

Mat 21:2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.


On his second entry Jesus rode in on an ass and a colt ….the significance of which prophesied in Zec 9:9

9. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Mat 21:4-7

The entry of the previous day…. involve the rejoicing of the disciples and the multitude of bystanders attracted by the news that the man who raised Lazarus from the dead is coming.

In the second entry…. the entire city responded and questioned, who is this?....

Mat 21:10 says all the city was moved…….. Unwittingly, the onlooker in Jerusalem were witnessing God’s selection of Jesus as the final Passover lamb. Notably, it is on the 10th of Nisan, which is the day designated to select the Passover lamb. How remarkable that Israel was seeing the perfect lamb….. the one without spot in blemish.

On this second entry, He went to the temple again as He had the previous day. However, He did not simply look around and go back to Bethany, this time He overthrew the merchant tables and taught the people. ( Mat 21:12&13)


In Mar 11:15 the second entry is noted, but without details. However Mar 11:15-17 does record the incident with the money changers..

The gospel of Luke does not mention the second entry …..although it does record this incident with the money changers immediately following the account of the first entry in Luk 19:45&46….

{By studying the gospels together…. with the principle of the narrative development, one can understand that the passage in Luke covers events over a period longer than a single day. Recording events that occur over a long period of time without relating the time factors involved is characteristic of the gospels, especially Luke.}

The market was a lucrative business for both the merchants and the religious leaders of the temple. The sin to which Jesus objected was not that lucrative commerce was conducted in the temple area…. but rather the corruption and hypocrisy involved the selling of second rated goods at first rate prices…….the temple market had become a dishonest den of thieves. Jesus was not in any way cruel or physically abusive to these men and He did not whip any of the merchants…. He did overthrow their tables.
To sell polluted bread and crippled animals for offerings to the Lord was a complete contradiction to the Word of God which specified that only the best of animals was to be offered.

 

[Grailhunter]

It would be ridiculous to take my word for it …. But the question is: will you take Gods word for it?

It may seem miniscule when you weigh this in the balance of what was accomplished on the cross …. But God thought it important enough to have it documented …. so in that respect…. it is important.


A Sign

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

There are many scripture (19) that give reference to Jesus being raised the third day …. but this account in Matthew ….. Jesus states that He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. That was the sign to the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees to whom He was speaking.

Whenever the term day or night is used singularly in the Bible it can mean all or part of a day or evening (night). But the term night (evening) and day together always indicates a 24 hour period. In Gen 1:5,8,13,19,&23 …. God sets the standard for a full day… of which Jesus was fully aware of as noted in John 11:9.

There are those who try to qualify Jesus’s statement of 3 days and 3 nights with their own twisting and reference to an idiom … The problem is --- they are trying to qualify man’s tradition to fit their belief …but it doesn’t work that way. God sets the standard for truth …not man! …..Man can be right and they can be wrong…. the only way to verify what man states…. is to check it with what God says. My personal belief…. the things I was taught are irrelevant, if they do not line up with the Word of God …and for me…. the Word is the final authority for truth.

We can track the precise day that Jesus was crucified by counting forward or backward. Forward from John 12:1 or backward from the Passover (which is Nisan 14) or The feast of unleavened bread which was Nisan 15 ....at sunset of the 14th….. (as that is when the next day begins.)

Passover is the 14th but the Passover meal is eaten at the beginning of the 15th (evening). The feast of unleavened bread lasts for 7 days and the first day (Thursday 15th) and last day (Wednesday 21st) of the feast are high days (special sabbaths) as dictated by God → Num 28:18 and Num 28:25 . A special sabbath is different from the weekly sabbath which falls on Saturday. A special sabbath would be like when Christmas (which is always celebrated on 12/25) fell on a Wednesday …it would a special sabbath …but does not negate the weekly sabbath on our Sunday. The special sabbath (high day) for the first day of the feast of unleavened bread (Thursday Nisan 15) is noted in John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) …


Days

6 days before the Passover. (Scripture not listed but I will provided scripture for each day if requested)

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom He raised from the dead.

We know from the Word that Passover was on the 14th of Nisan (formally called Abid)

Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the LORD.

17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.


Thursday Nisan 8 - six days before Passover.

Friday Nisan 9 - Jesus makes his first entry into Jerusalem (on an ass's colt.)

Saturday Nisan 10 - weekly sabbath → do no manner of servile work / second entry into Jerusalem (ass and a colt) /the Passover lamb is selected


(For more on the two entries…. see post below)


Sunday Nisan 11 - first day of the week /Jesus taught in Temple confronted by Sadducees, Pharisees & Herodians.

Monday Nisan 12 – Dinner at Simon the Leper / Jesus sends Peter & John to secure a place for Passover

Tuesday Nisan 13 – Last supper (not Passover) / garden of Gethsemane / Jesus taken by solders possibly around 9 or 10 pm…. interrogated and tortured throughout the night and day of the 13th.

Wednesday Nisan 14 – Interrogation and torture continued late into the evening of the 14 and crucified at 9am on the morning of the 14th (nearly 40 hours of interrogation and torture.) / Jesus gave His life up at 3 pm (our time). He was wrapped in a linen by Joseph of Arimathea and placed in the tomb provided by Joseph. Shortly afterwards (sometime before sunset) Nicodemus came with the myrrh and aloes and did the grave wrappings on Jesus.

Thursday Nisan 15 - High day special sabbath. No work to be done

Friday Nisan 16 women buy the spices to perform proper burial ....unaware of Nicodemus’s prior actions.

Saturday Nisan 17 weekly sabbath do no manner of servile work /God raises Jesus sometime before sunset 72 hours after being in the heart of the earth.

Sunday Nisan 18 - First day of the week / Mary Magdalene sees the tomb empty John_20:1 / first fruits wave-offering

The correct explaination is in Post 186

Then on the three day thing, people get confused because they are not educated on the Jewish culture and the circumstances..... LOL....For one, no Rolex wrist watches....no stop watches. If they were wondering approximate what time it is during the day, they looked up at the Sun. The Jewish day starts more or less at sunset....it is not digital....a bell does not ring.

A day is a day.....if you see the Sun it is daytime....a day. No one standing by ready to count the hours off. Approximately 39 hours between it is finished to His resurrection from the tomb, but they could see the Sun three times.

 

[marks]

The correct explaination is in Post 186

Then on the three day thing, people get confused because they are not educated on the Jewish culture and the circumstances..... LOL....For one, no Rolex wrist watches....no stop watches. If they were wondering approximate what time it is during the day, they looked up at the Sun. The Jewish day starts more or less at sunset....it is not digital....a bell does not ring.

A day is a day.....if you see the Sun it is daytime....a day. No one standing by ready to count the hours off. Approximately 39 hours between it is finished to His resurrection from the tomb, but they could see the Sun three times.

I don't understand, where are the "three nights"? Friday day/Friday night // Saturday day / Saturday night // He was risen before first light

It seems to me that if Jesus died on Friday before sundown, at most you'd have 2 days and 2 nights, if only a sliver portion of one of those days.

Much love!

 

[Tommy Cool]

The correct explaination is in Post 186

Then on the three day thing, people get confused because they are not educated on the Jewish culture and the circumstances..... LOL....For one, no Rolex wrist watches....no stop watches. If they were wondering approximate what time it is during the day, they looked up at the Sun. The Jewish day starts more or less at sunset....it is not digital....a bell does not ring.

A day is a day.....if you see the Sun it is daytime....a day. No one standing by ready to count the hours off. Approximately 39 hours between it is finished to His resurrection from the tomb, but they could see the Sun three times.

I can see the path you have chosen... which answers my question “will you take Gods word for it?”

God’s Word will give us the answer to all things biblical… but when man interprets the Word you have to justify it with extraneous stories to substantiate your religious beliefs ….in addition to the dismissal of several scriptures in the Word of God..

But you certainly are right about “not being educated in Jewish culture” as so noted in your answer.

 

[Grailhunter]

I can see the path you have chosen... which answers my question “will you take Gods word for it?”

God’s Word will give us the answer to all things biblical… but when man interprets the Word you have to justify it with extraneous stories to substantiate your religious beliefs ….in addition to the dismissal of several scriptures in the Word of God..

But you certainly are right about “not being educated in Jewish culture” as so noted in your answer.

God said these Words in a time period and culture, so you have to take them in context.
And that is one of many reasons people misinterpret the scriptures, they read the Bible like it was the latest edition of the local Sunday paper.

 

[Tommy Cool]

God said these Words in a time period and culture, so you have to take them in context.
And that is one of many reasons people misinterpret the scriptures, they read the Bible like it was the latest edition of the local Sunday paper.

I agree …Understanding Biblical Culture, Orientalism’s, Figure of Speech, and Idiom’s are very helpful…..as the Bible is an Eastern book.
In some ways I wish people would read the Word like they read the Sunday paper … If they read the Bible like that…. at least they would keep it in its context, allow the story to interpret itself and know to whom it was written…. but I understand your point…..It is not up to us to interpret it is up to us to understand so we can rightly divide it.

And while they may not have had a Timex during the time of Christ …. they were able to keep an approximate time, and their sense of time was significantly more intuitive than we are today. Sun dials and other methods were used for daytime and water Klepsydra along with other methods were used for night… to determine the night watches. They also accounted for the time adjustments between winter and summer solstice.

 

[Davy]

The correct explaination is in Post 186

Then on the three day thing, people get confused because they are not educated on the Jewish culture and the circumstances..... LOL....For one, no Rolex wrist watches....no stop watches. If they were wondering approximate what time it is during the day, they looked up at the Sun. The Jewish day starts more or less at sunset....it is not digital....a bell does not ring.

A day is a day.....if you see the Sun it is daytime....a day. No one standing by ready to count the hours off. Approximately 39 hours between it is finished to His resurrection from the tomb, but they could see the Sun three times.

Jewish traditions has a lot to do of what Lord Jesus rebuked among the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees, so I wouldn't suggest trying to use their traditions as a backup for New Covenant doctrine in The New Testament, especially when the unbelieving Jews are not even familiar with New Testament doctrine.

It's a no brainer, even by Old Testament Scripture, that the Hebrew reckoning for a day is from sunset to the following sunset, a 24 hour period. Just like how we remark about a 'day', it can also include the night in that 24 hour period. Per our modern calendar, a day (24 hr. period) is reckoned from midnight to the next midnight. So the day/night argument is actually MOOT.

However, when Scripture mentions specifically a day and a night period, that is being more specific for a 24 hour period, even per the Hebrew reckoning of sunset to sunset. And Lord Jesus did spell out 3 days, and 3 nights that His body would be in the heart of the earth, being specific (Matthew 12:40).

To determine that 3 days, and 3 nights per the Hebrew reckoning is simple. We know He rose sometime Sunday morning, so it's a simple matter of counting backwards using the Hebrew reckoning for a day that starts and ends at sunset. And by doing that you arrive at the day and time of Christ's crucifixion. And that will be revealed as Wednesday, before sunset.

Not only does that Wednesday match the 3 days and 3 nights prophecy Jesus gave, it also matches the exact time the Passover lamb was to be killed, at evening on the 14th Nissan, per Exodus 12.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jewish traditions has a lot to do of what Lord Jesus rebuked among the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees, so I wouldn't suggest trying to use their traditions as a backup for New Covenant doctrine in The New Testament, especially when the unbelieving Jews are not even familiar with New Testament doctrine.

Not really refencing Jewish thought on religion or doctrine....more of a time period thing.

However, when Scripture mentions specifically a day and a night period, that is being more specific for a 24 hour period, even per the Hebrew reckoning of sunset to sunset. And Lord Jesus did spell out 3 days, and 3 nights that His body would be in the heart of the earth, being specific (Matthew 12:40).

Came back early? LOL Its the sort of thing that happens....The Apostles said they were living in the last days...and from that point there was a lot of days and nights until now.

People have been trying to figure the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection for centuries....it never works out.

As far as changing the calculations for the day that Christ was crucified, disregarding that the Passover and the Saturday Jewish Sabbath occurred on the same day, and He rose on Sunday morning and all the facts that point to it. I would not recommend that.

There are people that do that sort of thing....(Not necessarily you.) its the way they study the Bible, looking for the scriptures that disagree with most anything else. Disregarding the entire storyline to try to accommodate a scripture that is not congruent. It can be a methodology were they disregard every other scripture to accommodate and incongruent scripture. A religion that is formulated on scriptures that do not fit the storyline or the spirit of Christ or Christianity is usually full of false beliefs and misunderstandings.

There are other scriptures that do that. Christ's ministry was about love and the Bible says to honor your father and mother....it is in what people call the Ten Commandments....yet Christ said you had to hate your mother and father to be His disciple.....

I can't recommend forming a religion using scriptures that appear to disagree with the whole.

 

[Davy]

Not really refencing Jewish thought on religion or doctrine....more of a time period thing.

Sure... but you said...

"Then on the three day thing, people get confused because they are not educated on the Jewish culture...."

That means Jewish tradition bud, so pull my other leg and it plays jingle bells.

 

[Davy]

Came back early? LOL Its the sort of thing that happens....The Apostles said they were living in the last days...and from that point there was a lot of days and nights until now.
....

The one that needs to do the laughing (LOL) is about yourself and the balderdash baloney you are trying serve up on this matter, when you gross ignorance of The Scriptures is showing.

The "three days and three nights" Jesus proclaimed is how to know... that He was crucified on a Wednesday, at evening, per the passover timing God required of Exodus 12. Even Apostle Paul proclaimed "For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us" (1 Corinthians 5:7).

 

[Grailhunter]

Sure... but you said...

"Then on the three day thing, people get confused because they are not educated on the Jewish culture...."

That means Jewish tradition bud, so pull my other leg and it plays jingle bells.

Time keeping is part of the culture....how thought of time....how they kept time.

 

[Grailhunter]

The one that needs to do the laughing (LOL) is about yourself and the balderdash baloney you are trying serve up on this matter, when you gross ignorance of The Scriptures is showing.

The "three days and three nights" Jesus proclaimed is how to know... that He was crucified on a Wednesday, at evening, per the passover timing God required of Exodus 12. Even Apostle Paul proclaimed "For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us" (1 Corinthians 5:7).

It really has nothing to do with me....but rather the scriptures. The Bible does not show that Wednesday was the day of the crucifixion. It is very clear that Christ was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover, which was the day before the Passover and the Jewish Sabbath on Saturday. How are you missing this? Read through post 186 on the other thread....all the facts are there.
What was the date of the Crucifixion?

 

[Davy]

How do we know that Christ was crucified on Friday 30 AD?
How do we know that the next day was a double Sabbath.... Saturday the Jewish Sabbath and Passover?

Thinking that Lord Jesus was crucified on a Friday is an old Catholic tradition that came from their not understanding about the "high day" sabbath required in that same week per the original Exodus 12 requirement. The "high day" below, the first day of the feast, was to be a sabbath per Exodus 12, and it was NOT the normal weekly sabbath that would come later. This "high day" began at Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset. This is why they rushed to bury Lord Jesus' body in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday (Nissan 14), because the "high day" (Nissan 15) was fast approaching right at sunset.

John 19:30-31
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, "It is finished": and He bowed His head, and gave up the ghost.

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
KJV

Jesus was crucified on the "preparation day", per the Exodus 12 requirement on the 14th of Nissan, at evening when the lamb was to be killed. That day ended at sunset Wednesday. From Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset was the 1st sabbath, the high day of the feast. The first day of the feasts of Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacle begins with a "holy convocation", a sabbath (see Leviticus 23:7; 24; 35; Exodus 12:16).

Then starting at Thursday sunset would begin Friday. Then at Friday sunset would begin the regular weekly sabbath of Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Then sometime after sunset Saturday, which would begin Sunday, Lord Jesus rose from the dead and appeared in the early morning Sunday.