How do we know the Jesus we hope for is how He is?

[PeterAndroz]

Are we supposed to ignore what Paul said in Ephesians about receiving the HS?



Yes, I agree with that.

I still do not understand why you are reluctant to say exactly what Paul explained to the 12.

Romans to Philemon are books by Paul


""Are we supposed to ignore what Paul said in Ephesians about receiving the HS?""
No, we are SEALED with the HS when we hear, trust, believe the gospel, NO other conditions are mentioned anywhere in Romans to Philemon.
Eph 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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""I still do not understand why you are reluctant to say exactly what Paul explained to the 12.""
I answered the question - What Christ taught to Paul in Gal 1:11-12
faith/trust/belief in the death, burial, resurrection of Christ
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What did Peter(12) do/say when Christ told them that He must die then resurrect as Paul teaches in 1 Cor 15:1-4 ?
They were confused, didn't understand etc etc
Matt 16:-
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

 

[markalan]

Romans to Philemon are books by Paul
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""Are we supposed to ignore what Paul said in Ephesians about receiving the HS?""
No, we are SEALED with the HS when we hear, trust, believe the gospel, NO other conditions are mentioned anywhere in Romans to Philemon.
Eph 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The word "after" in reference to the Ephesians indicates receiving the HS (at least in some people) is a different experience to accepting Jesus' atonement for sin.

""I still do not understand why you are reluctant to say exactly what Paul explained to the 12.""
I answered the question - What Christ taught to Paul in Gal 1:11-12
faith/trust/belief in the death, burial, resurrection of Christ

So you think Peter did not believe that before Paul told him?

What did Peter(12) do/say when Christ told them that He must die then resurrect as Paul teaches in 1 Cor 15:1-4 ?
They were confused, didn't understand etc etc
Matt 16:-
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

The disciples did not fully understand until Jesus' rose from the dead.


Luke 24:45-
Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you,
that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead,
and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
You are witnesses of these things.

 

[PeterAndroz]

The word "after" in reference to the Ephesians indicates receiving the HS (at least in some people) is a different experience to accepting Jesus' atonement for sin.



So you think Peter did not believe that before Paul told him?



The disciples did not fully understand until Jesus' rose from the dead.


Luke 24:45-
Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you,
that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead,
and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
You are witnesses of these things.

""So you think Peter did not believe that before Paul told him?""

Good, then you agree that 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teaches a believer is saved & HS sealed by believing in the death, burial, resurrection of Christ - no lay hands & pray by others as >>>sometimes<<< required during Acts.
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Please list the verses where Peter teaches exactly the same