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Featured How Is The Greatest Commandment Kept?

Discussion in 'Christian Spirituality Forum' started by Hidden In Him, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    That does not describe a "changed" person having Christ in them. Thus, that is not actually one with a contrite heart.
     
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    Hi Hidden In Him, and how are you all? and it seems to me also, one's daily affairs would be of primary importance. But I think personally, we are trying to let God know what is in our hearts to do His commandments or not daily as we walk by faith, So that we can know how to love Him with All.
    because of John 2:25
    And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

    And I also agree to: For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose. Berean Literal Bible. For God is the One working in you both to will and to work according to His good pleasure. New American Standard Bible. for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. Philippians 2:13

    Love always, Walter and Debbie
     
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  3. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    I fully agree with you. So about my question, (corporately) they should be "praying incessantly, that the Spirit might speak through them (1 Thessalonians 5:16-19; Ephesians 6:18-19); singing continually in psalms and hymns (Colossians 3:16); and continually meditating upon His word together (John 6:63), yes?
     
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    Hi; I guess it's all an outworking of Acts 2.42...
     
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    Seems like a contradiction in terms, right? John's First Epistle, the Parable of the Sower, etc., would seem to indicate it would be a contradiction in terms...
     
  6. Hidden In Him

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    No problem, LoL, and I agree with your response : ) My best question then (the one I'm really driving at, and have been from the start), is how would you respond to Post #48, i.e. about prayer, worship, meditation and service.
     
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    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    Tish tosh! : )

    See, I agree with the statement, but the problem is that few seem to be willing to define what keeping all His commandments would look like in the day to day life of a believer, i.e. in practical terms. That's what I'm try to get at. Have anything more you could add, i.e. something more specific.

    Thanks again for the responses. :)
     
  8. Hidden In Him

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    Before I even read it, certainly. That was the purpose of this thread; to discuss it openly and frankly.
    No, no. Not to "get right" with God. I know precisely what you mean, and that's never the motivation. I'm only in a relationship with Him because of grace, and I don't then seek to nullify that grace by fasting, or prayer, or study, or meditation, or fellowship, or service to God. These are simply things I do to please and obey Him, not an attempt to "get right" with Him.
    Ok, now you seem to be applying the concept of imputed righteousness here to the question of how we keep the greatest commandment. My problem with that would be that if we are automatically fulfilling the greatest commandment and all the commandments of God by accepting Christ by faith, what then would be the purpose for giving these commandments, or any commandments for that matter. If you can receive my comments with grace as well (as I don't want to offend you either), that argument never makes any sense to me.
    Ok, very good! The fruit of the Spirit. But now, you seem to be implying (by not including those things I mentioned) that prayer, worship, meditation and service to God would not or should not be including in the list of things that will "flow naturally as the Christian exhibits more of Christ." Should they be included as what we would expect, or no?
     
  9. Hidden In Him

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    Another great post, and I still owe you a response. God willing, I will do so, as I am directed by God :)
     
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    The focus wasn't really on fasting at all, Victory, though I can understand how you might have thought that. That was just my way of illustrating to Episkopos that I agreed with him that the way we observe the greatest commandment should not be systematized, i.e. lad down in a "formula" as Episkopos put it. The question was more about whether the practices of prayer, worship, meditation, and service to God should be expected of those who keep the greatest commandment.
     
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    I fully agree, and this is an astute answer. But now, the question becomes then: How does a a believer abide in His presence, so that Christ will manifest Himself so completely through him?
    This statement suggests you believe it is done by faith... I certainly believe that having the faith to believe we can abide in His presence continually is vital. If not, we would never attempt to do so. But believing we can do it is only step #1. Coming to the place where we actually DO abide in His presence continually is reaching a place of obedience to the commandment, yes?
     
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    Sure. But how do we show God and the world that we have given up our own lives to be His body? What keeps us together? Doctrines? Scheduling meetings?

    The early church saw themselves as strangers in the earth. Pilgrims joined together by a common life and faith. As such they identified family as being with one another. even more so than natural family bonds...after all how many families all remain close together in location after growing up? Christians are to gather in close proximity....house wise so as to meet daily.
     
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    Wow... Enoch, I honestly thought you might buck at my position when I first started this thread. As it turns out, you've been the strongest defender of it to date. To say "I'm impressed" might be to take too much upon myself, as I am only searching for the truth. But I do believe I'm right that the commandment insinuates the Lord wants our everything, if we were willing to stop and think about it - all of our heart, mind, soul and strength - and not in figurative terms but practical ones : ) Obedience to it is the tough part, but at least understanding the calling opens the door to the possibility, for those willing to have ears to hear and not turn away from it as being too much of a "hard saying."

    Thanks for your posts, Enoch. It's nice when you feel someone gets you.
     
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    Wonderful post. Maybe the Lord will give us a chance to go through Isaiah 58 some day. And as for the last two verses, that's what I'm talking about, "then shalt thou delight thyself in Jehovah." Now we would likely disagree on putting the stress predominantly on the Sabbath, but this is indeed a time that the early church set aside to delight themselves in Him, through the practices I've been mentioning in my posts.

    Now my contention is that along with the Sabbath, the reminder of one's week ought likewise to be dedicated to these as well, yes? I mean, if we are loving the Lord our God with our whole heart, mind and soul, then that means throughout the week as well, yes? I don't mean to be diminishing the importance of the Sabbath by saying that, since I know some make the argument to direct attention away from it. But to me, keeping the commandment continually would necessitate delighting ourselves in the Lord every day.

    What would you say to that, I mean, if I were not simply presenting it as a way of deflecting from delighting ourselves in Him on the 7th day?
     
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    Absolutely. They met daily, to hear the teaching of the apostles, to break bread, and to pray that the power of God manifest among them and move through them.

    But again, Episkopos, I am here mentioning specific practices that were being observed in the daily lives of believers in the early church (Acts 2:42). You agree, then, that these practices should and will characterize the lives of those who keep the greatest commandment?
     
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    Absolutely agree with the above. And yes, we can, and should delight ourselves in the Lord every day of the week. Even when we are working, playing, exercising, or relaxing. But the Sabbath has special significance in that by deliberately not working, the entire focus of the day is directed to God without distraction. That doesn't mean we have no contract with others...Jesus healed and ministered on the Sabbath...it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath...But there is no secular or selfish attribute when Sabbath is observed as in...
    KJV Isaiah 58
    Keep the Sabbath
    13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
     
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    The simplest form of worship begins with Shema!!
    I find your statement about fasting pleasing, It has been on my mind much lately!
    As far as it being an Important part of a believers walk, well I believe it is a must, why?
    Matthew 6:16-18, the Lord instructs the followers on how to fast,
    Matthew 9:15 our Lord explains to the followers of John, when the Bridegroom is taken away, They Will Fast
    Matthew 17:21 There is significant empowerment through Fasting and Prayer, in certain circumstances!
    Mark 9:29 expresses the same as Matthew 17:21
    As to Your last Question Above, all of these are and should be the Characteristics of a believer, for the condition of the inward man, will always be exposed outwardly, to the good or to that of evil intent!
     
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    sorry man, I think ur straining at a nat now!! no offence!
     
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    Sure it is not systematized...what relationship ever is. Prayer, worship, meditation, and service to God. Fasting too. Can see what you are saying but the Pharisees did those things also to be seen of men. And they had their reward. Only God knows the heart. Still not sure how this thread becomes those things as center though in keeping the greatest commandment? Paul prayed, worshipped, mediated and served God in a hole naked and cold saying “rejoice! I say again, Rejoice!” Not sure how fasting from literal food and how often and how long that is achieved has to do with charity...as the world fasts for trends and then talks about reaping the benefit of fasting and cleanses. Again if I’m being honest the church building has no argument or hesitation against worship, meditation, prayer and service to God...those being the very things that become “systematized” rituals of sit down, stand up, pass around the plate, come together in worship and praise services...is readily seen. The rest needs to be considered though in “How is the greatest commandment kept”

    John 15:13-14 Greater love (Charity) hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. [14] Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

    He is the friend one is called to lay down their life for. The friend power is given of God to follow Him to lay down (lose life) for His Name sake..
    John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    ^ power given to lay down ones life for a friend and no greater love or charity has any than this: to lay down their life for Christ.
    ^the center of “How is the greatest commandment kept” ...in power given of God to lay down your own life for the sake of Christ.

    there are plenty of threads and subjects discussing man’s fast, prayer, worship and service ...not so much talk of the rest.
     
  20. Hidden In Him

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    Though it might rub some the wrong way (unintentionally), I actually think that work takes too high a priority in many people's lives, i.e. the standard of living they insist upon necessitates working more than they should, with the result of having far less time to give to God than He desires. It's sort of akin to Paul's teaching on desiring to be "rich." We are all rich in modern society compared to New Testament times, and yet for many it is not enough. I work about 2 1/2 hours per day and am still able to pay my bills, but then I am content with the things I have; a nice home and three cars that are paid off. And even when I'm working, I work alone, so even then I am free to pray, meditate, etc., leaving virtually all my time open to serving God. That having been said, actually giving that much time to God is another story, LoL.

    But yes, there's much to be admired in setting aside a day entirely for Him : ) It's getting at what I think the commandment entails. Only I think there are steps Christians could be taking to make it a virtual reality in their lives seven days a week, and they really should if we are taking the commandment seriously.
     
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