We can do whatever we want as a born again believer; because our wants have changed so that they are holy and pleasing to the Lord!
For He has given unto us the gift of righteousness (Romans 5:17-19).
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For He has given unto us the gift of righteousness (Romans 5:17-19).
Bobby demanding that other people must do what you cannot do, is a bit rich, don't you think?
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
Behold, a few home truths.
One you are definitely not a teacher as you are all over the place.
Two. A teacher does not need to shout.
Three. You said you are approved so the question is by whom?
Four. What you said is not systematic. All teaching is systematic.
Five. Teaching deals with facts. All you have done is deal with deficiencies as you see them.
Six. You have said people have no idea what they are talking about but you haven't enlightened them on why.
Seven. A teacher will never say everything is based on one verse of scripture.
If I went through your diatribe in-depth I could come up with plenty more reasons why you are not a teacher but suffice so far in what I have said.
"""No, just the opposite. Being born again IS being baptized with the Holy Spirit.""""""
Its more then that.
Being born again is to be baptised INTO God's Spirit, not just "with it".
We are put IN CHRIST. ..see that "IN"?
We are JOINED as '"ONE" with God....so that is a spiritual POSITION designated as a NEW BIRTH, which is to BECOME = A New CREATION.
""My post wasn't as hard to understand as you are making it out to be. Maybe English is not your first language. Then that would be understandable. I'll try to be as clear as I can.""
= Yawn.
Your post makes sense to you., so you assume its making sense.
It doesn't.
You said that a sinning christian can be resolved by receiving the "divine nature" as the typical charismania theology of a "2nd infilling".
So, this is such a confused understanding... that you are trying to use to confuse..
First you are splitting the "born again" into part one : 1.) is "baptized" and part 2 is : "next you get the divine nature".
So, thats ridiculous. We dont get part of Jesus when we are born again, then the other part (divine nature) later if we "cry out" to God because you can't stop sinning , as you teach.
God does not give you part of His righteousness so that you can be a saved sinner,.... then later...as you falsely teach.... if you "cry out" .... He gives you part 2 of Himself (Divine nature) so that you can finally stop sinning.
Your theology is bizarre and has nothing to do with the New Testament.
What it actually is, is a rebrand of the typical AOG, Charismatic, Pentecostal "you need the 2nd filling", "you have Christ but you dont yet have the baptism yet", obsessive nonsense.
Its seems that you left the Crazymatics, but you retained their crazy theology.
""Yes, then they were never born again."""
Then they would not have the Holy Spirit.
Is that difficult for you to comprehend?
"""As long as you obey your Spirit-filled conscience, you won't sin. """
More nonsense.
Listen, a believer stops sinning when they are delivered from their wrong mind.
This wrong mind is, as Paul teaches, "walking in the FLESH".
Walking in the flesh is a wrong believing issue, not an "obeying" issue.
To stop sinning you have to "walk in the Spirit, and you wont "sin".
To walk in the Spirit is not a self effort, or a deed you do, or something you obey.
To walk in the Spirit is to have the mind of Christ= as CORRECT BELIEVING.
""For instance, you mock a gift of God,"
I don't "mock" any gift of God, but i will expose fakirs who pretend to have "gifts" so that they can try to mislead and corrupt real believers.
Count on it.
""" Why do you believe we WILL sin? "
You need to talk to the people who post to me and say they "sin".
Im not the one "sinning". Im the one who has written 30+ Threads talking to the people who are telling me they are "sinning", and have "indwelling sin", and "will sometimes sin".
""""I was finally born again and filled with His Spirit. """
So your "ministry" is to define born again people as "not really saved" so you can teach them the heresy that they need a 2nd "divine nature" infilling to really be born again.
Thats really bizarre theology, and not a ministry i want to be around.
The other's here will see you more clearly now.
Thanks.
"""There is no struggle to remain righteous""""
How can there be a "struggle to be righteous" when a born again person has the "gift of righteousness, and is become "the righteousness of God in Christ"...
""Yours is VERY dangerous to a young Christian that has itching ears, and wants easy salvation.""
Salvation is :God did it, Christ paid the price, and its a Gift.
Are you confusing discipleship with Salvation, AGAIN?
AGAIN?
Its a deceiver like you who would state that salvation is difficult, or that to say that Salvation, which is God's Grace, a FREE GIFT....= is something to be earned, is DIFFICULT, or received as some type of bizarre 2nd infilling of the "divine nature".
Let me tell you what a "divine nature" 2nd infilling is, after you already have GOD in you...
=Its a demonic infilling.
""13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Jesus Himself is the "narrow"way, or as He explains it...."no person comes to the Father but by/through ME".
Jesus said, i am THE WAY...
So, there is your "narrorw" way......the ONE WAY to God, the ONE Way to be Saved.
The "broad way" is the Legalism that you teach. The Cross denying, "self saving" doctrine of LEGALISM.
""" Are you saying we shouldn't pray ever again? We receive the Spirit once. But He doesn't give us ALL His power all at once,""
You are on a Christian forum telling people that salvation is not "easy" and that you must work at it, to have it and keep it.
So, you don't even understand God's Grace which explain why you dont understand how to be born again, or what that means.
So, whatever "power" you think you have, is not coming from God, as God gives nothing to people who defy His Grace, and teach bizarre legalistic nonsense in public.
"""21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 """
We are alway at peace with God, because Jesus has obtained eternal redemption for us.
Romans 5.
This is why we can fellowship with God, freely, and "come BOLDLY" to God.
However, as you have a condemned conscience, (or you would not have posted a verse that defines your way to try to solve it), let me just say that once you learn to believe RIGHT, as my many Threads have offered you this help regarding your lack of understanding, you will stop trying to keep yourself saved and hopefully God will give you the revelation that there is no 2nd infilling or baptism that you define as a later receiving of the "divine nature".
Jesus IS God. Jesus IS the DIVINE NATURE.. Jesus Is IN all the Born again.
So the "divine nature" is IN all the born again, because they have been make a "new Creation" IN CHRIST< which is to become in UNION with the Divine Nature.
You can't be 'ONE" with God and Christ, and not have the "divine nature".
Every born again person does not receive this later, as your heresy teaches, but they are BECOME it, as proven by being BORN AGAIN.
Hi marksman,
Do you understand the key point @Behold is addressing? About sin and law and condemnation and the power of sin?
Much love!
He does not.
But you do.
Grace is truly Amazing once you actually SEE it, as God provided it, for free.
2 Chr. 34:19
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I understand that you must get frustrated when you read some of the drivel on forums. (Tattoo’s etc) But you have to bear in mind that most of us have heard all of this before! We’ve had great pastors and teachers, who may have been deceivers. No offence @Behold, but what makes your teaching any different?
Why have we allowed ourselves to be deceived?-because people can and do LIE! All the time!
Why do cults attract so many people? Because they have ‘a form of godliness...’, which the lost are crying out for.
I’m sure that some pastors are probably only in it for the status and money etc. How many voluntary pastors are there, I wonder?
Obviously we should read/study The Bible as the one true book, it is The Lord’s instructions, words, teachings and statutes.
Not just Paul/N/T...all of it!
in the end, we realise that The Bible is all we can trust in the end anyway. Maybe that’s the whole point of Him choosing men to write it down for us.
Of course Christians are saved by grace-there’s no other way...how much more, can Jesus do? (Romans 5)...and obviously works follow.
Numbers 6:24-26 (O/T)
I understand that you must get frustrated when you read some of the drivel on forums. (Tattoo’s etc) But you have to bear in mind that most of us have heard all of this before! We’ve had great pastors and teachers, who may have been deceivers. No offence @Behold, but what makes your teaching any different?
IF you actually read my Threads, and compare them to anyone elses, including all your previous ministers, you'll soon discover, in about 2.4 seconds,... that what im teaching, is not what you have been taught.
Its like this, you have never been taught that you can stop sinning, and should have by the time you were a yr old "in Christ".
You have been taught the LIE, as 99% of the people here, have also, that Christianity is...."sometimes im good, and sometimes i sin, then i confess and repent and then me and God are A-OK, once again".
So, that Devil's lie theological JUNK, is what you've been taught, fella.... because that is the nonsense that fills the Protestant and Catholic theological coffers for a very long time.
What does this mean? It means that when you want to stop being a sinning and repenting Christian Failure, you have to find a REAL Teacher who can help you out of the dark and into the Grace of God.
Thats what i do here, for free.
If instead you want to stay in the ditch of confused theology so that you can spend the rest of your life sinning and confessing, while worrying that you can lose your salvation.... then go and read ..
1. Justbyfaith
2. RogerDC
3.charismaticlady
and about 10 others who claim to be "teachers" and they will be more then happy to keep you in the dark.
But if you want to do something for God, including stop sinning and repenting, then stick with me, and i can take you there.
B
I try my hardest to understand everyone’s POV, those I agree with and those I find to be trash. I admittedly don’t have much patience for when poster is egotistical, looks down on others, or relies on insults
Now to specifications address you question and Behold: no I cannot. Other than consitant pride, his/her point seems to be all over the place.
(from memory reading some of the ops/topics by that one)
A false gospel. (like was john100 last month, and farrook, and others today)
i.e. nothing , no words, no Scripture, no threads, no posts, will make a difference.
The battle is in spiritual forces in high places (over our heads at least).... so to speak?
Prayer. Spiritual Battle. As God Permits.
The reason you dont quote where you say....."he is all over the place" is because you can't.
This is dishonest.. So, work on that, get that under control.....and you'll find that you can read my posts and find help.
My Posts and my Threads, demand that you lay aside all self righteousness.
That is why they can sting.
2 Chr. 34:19
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You teach salvation by grace/faith great! I have heard it all before...
If we do sin, we have an advocate with The Father, Jesus Christ The Righteous.
If we don’t sin, even greater!
I’m a fellee and figured your teaching out in 2.1000 seconds you want the status
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Cast a quote of mine, or keep on deceiving.
You choose.
I have written a lot of Threads.
God and find some quotes that are "all over the place", and lets see what happens next.
As i said, you have not read my Threads.
Read them, then you'll realize what i mean.
I teach you how to stop sinning and repenting.
CharismaticLady
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Yes, it is that too, and more. We abide in Christ, and He in us.
No, YOU are the one that talks of a "sinning" Christian. I haven't. Why can't you understand what I write?
As far as the rest of your ranting, I'm not even going to read it. Using large letters and in bold doesn't make what you say any less false. In computer language, that is yelling. I would still have to correct everything you say that you didn't understand, like the first time. God is not in the ranting. He is in the still small voice.
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@Behold, you are EXTREMELY prideful, very much look down on all others with continual insults, and want everyone to follow you.
No.
A person should follow Christ.
I wish you well on your life journey, and I'm going to go follow Christ.
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