Don't bother with me, I'll not be responding to you. I'm not here to be someone upon whom you can attempt to work out your anger issues.
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David in NJ
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You are now rejecting the Holy Scriptures, the Truth, of whom the LORD Jesus was speaking to in Matt ch24
Furthermore, Matthew ch23 is where the LORD Jesus finishes/ends speaking to the Jewish nation according to the flesh.
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
31“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
See! Your house is left to you desolate;
for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
No, only your interpretation. But I'm not interested in this sort of conversation, so thank you, and bye for now!
Nontheless, to address your assertion, Scripture tells me otherwise.
Not so:
Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
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Then why were people in that day hoping to be in the Heavenly Jerusaelm? Verse 22.
12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
God Disciplines His Children
4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”[a]
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13 “Make level paths for your feet,”[b] so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.
Warning and Encouragement
14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. 17 Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. Even though he sought the blessing with tears, he could not change what he had done.The Mountain of Fear and the Mountain of Joy
18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19 to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, 20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.”[c] 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”[d]22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warnedthem on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”[e] 27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”[f]
I don't understand your objection. God promised to make the ethnic nation Israel a nation before Him as long as the natural order of sun and moon endured. And of course God keeps His promises!
Abraham didn't have the advantage of the prophets to show Him God's plan, but he saw beyond this world, to be sure!
We have the advantage of knowing that one day this heavenly Jerusalem will come out of heaven to the earth. This does not prevent God from causing the ethnic nation to remain. I think with the ending of the heaven and earth that there may be something different, but Revelation indicates there still will be nations, so I'm not going to speculate.
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How, or why, how does this passage say that the nation of Israel won't be preserved by God?
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Yes, and even Jewish people become Christians, and become part of the Body of Christ, where there is neither Greek nor Jew. And meanwhile on earth, God is fulfilling His promise to Israel, preserving them as a nation before Himself.
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amigo de christo
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Marvel not david . IF one does not adhere to the golden bull of pre trib , THEY GONNA THINK we have no real
idea about any of that stuff . Touch their golden bull , you get the horn every time .
These folks are so hyped up about every lil detail their men passed down from generation to generation .
Only problem is , THEIR BE BIG FAULTS IN IT . BIG ONES .
amigo de christo
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In amos it talks about
how they will come and rebuild the tabernacles of david and etc .
Would you care to explain how you see that .
in heavenly jerusalem it is perserved forever.
that is the new nation - heavenly.
no more phsyical
amigo de christo
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Read amos .
After this I will RETURN and rebuild the tabernacle of david that is fallen
down .And I will build again the ruins thereof and I will set it UP
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord , and all the gentiles
upon whom MY NAME is called saith the LORD who doeth all these things .
What was amos talking about .
Marks what do you think the prophet meant .
Go read amos .chapter nine verses eleven and twelve .
Marks what do you think this means .
After this I will RETURN and rebuild the tabernacle of david that is fallen
down .And I will build again the ruins thereof and I will set it UP
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord , and all the gentiles
upon whom MY NAME is called saith the LORD who doeth all these things .
What was amos talking about .
Marks what do you think the prophet meant .
Go read amos .chapter nine verses eleven and twelve .
Marks what do you think this means .
amigo de christo
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ead amos .
After this I will RETURN and rebuild the tabernacle of david that is fallen
down .And I will build again the ruins thereof and I will set it UP
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord , and all the gentiles
upon whom MY NAME is called saith the LORD who doeth all these things .
What was amos talking about .
Marks what do you think the prophet meant .
Go read amos .chapter nine verses eleven and twelve .
Marks what do you think this means .
amigo de christo
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Then TRY READING acts chapter fifteen where the apostle quotes this
YOU GONNA SEE SOMETHING .
MANY prophecies in OLD TEST spoke about HEAVENLY JERSUALEM FOLKS
the preaching OF JESUS CHRIST folks .
YEAH . Not all of israel are OF ISRAEL .
YOU GONNA SEE SOMETHING .
MANY prophecies in OLD TEST spoke about HEAVENLY JERSUALEM FOLKS
the preaching OF JESUS CHRIST folks .
YEAH . Not all of israel are OF ISRAEL .
amigo de christo
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Let it not suprise you mathew . I told you , by grace ME READS the BIBLE .
You are making an assumption that the ethnic people called Israel will be preserved by God forever. But you have failed to prove what you assume because you don't understand Israel preserved by God is NOT an ethnic people comprised of Jews, but is a spiritual people comprised of both Jews of faith and Gentiles of faith together. This is "all Israel that shall be saved". If God intended to preserve an ethnic people called Israel, why will Gentiles of faith complete them? Israel being preserved by God are both of the circumcision (Jews of faith) and uncircumcision (Gentiles of faith), called "the Israel of God."
Romans 11:25-27 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Galatians 6:14-16 (KJV) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
amigo de christo
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many cannot see this . many have sat under men who have taught the doctrines of men .
In amos chapter nine , verses eleven and twelve
IT , as many other places speaks of THE HEAVENLY , not the earthly .
Read amos chapter nine verses ten and eleven .
THEN read acts chapter fifteen . AN APOSTLE QUOTES it when speaking of the preaching of the gospel
and also the gentiles coming in . MANY can read amos and think its talking about a PHYSICAL TEMPLE
IT AINT . READ acts chapter fifteen . Many prophecies in that bible are talking about the THIRD TEMPLE
but it aint BUILT BY THE HANDS OF MEN . ITS OF GOD HIMSELF . JESUS CHRIST .
JERUSALEM of GOD is HEAVENLY and that is A FACT . AND I promise us all
that not all OF israel , meaning the jews that believe not , ARE TRULY OF ISRAEL .
THIS WHOLE THING is the WORK OF GOD BY THE SON OF GOD .
But men will be men and always try and see things according the the fleshly and the physical .
THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD , most KNOW IT NOT . THE TRUE JERUSALEM OF GOD
most KNOW IT NOT . THERE BE ONLY ONE WAY INTO THAT KINGDOM
where JOHN saw no TEMPLE , FOR GOD AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE .
THE PEOPLE OF GOD , ARE THOSE OF JESUS CHRIST both believing jew and gentile .
WHERE the middle wall of partion has been broken down . ITS ONE FOLD NOW
But as i said most have sat under men who preach many things and yet cannot see the simple beautiful spiritual TRUTH .
amigo de christo
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THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING . THE ISRAEL OF GOD , IS THE BORN AGAIN IN JESUS CHRIST .
The natural jews had a capital city called JERUSALEM
wherein was A TEMPLE , wherein the HIGH PRIEST ENTERED into the second veil once a year
with blood for the antonemnet of the peoples .
Marvel not .
THE TRUE HEAVENLY KINGDOM OF GOD , THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD
IT TOO has a captial city , HEAVENLY JERSUALEM
WHERE JESUS CHRIST DID ENTER INTO THE HOLIEST of all by the blood of HIS OWN LIFE
TO now make intercession for the peoples , THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM .
And as ISRAEL had its city JERUSALEM made and built AFTER THE PATTERN of GOD
not the actual things in HEAVEN , but a pattern of THE TRUE .
AND JESUS HAS ENTERED INTO THE TRUE , HEAVENLY JERUSALEM
wherein JOHN saw no temple , FOR GOD AND THE LAMB , THEY ARE THE TEMPLE .
THE TRUE ISRAEL , THE PEOPLES OF GOD who through CHRIST worship the FATHER IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH .
THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD that all who enter in through CHRIST may rest from their labors
ITS TIME TO PREACH JESUS TO THE LOST , cause any and all , whether jewish born or gentile born
MUST BELIEVE IN HIM . IF one hollers I LOVE YOU GOD , BUT REJECTS THE SON
THEY HAVE REJECTED THE FATHER WHO SENT HIM . Many will wail on the DAY OF THE LORD
all who denied CHRIST , DENIED GOD . JESUS spoke the words of GOD and THE FATHER WORKED THROUGH THE SON .
IF a man denies JESUS CHRIST , HE HAS DENIED THE TESTIMONY THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON
And he flat out is calling GOD a liar . HE who denies that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IS anti christ . john knew .
THEY ALL KNEW . THEY ALL KNEW .
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