If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum - Agree, or disagree? - LOL

[Behold]

They let you post. :) Why would that be? To challenge those who profess truth.

You defined Jesus The Christ as a "whipping boy", and you defined the Grace of God, who is Jesus, as "free stuff".... and you posted this on a Christian forum .

So, there are those who protect you here, and there are those who recognize you.

They are not the same.

It is what it is, Episkopos.

 

[ChristisGod]

I disagree. LOL But seriously there is much to come together and go deeper about...as a fraternal network. A house divided cannot stand.

A forum is not a church, a local body. A church body is where people meet together in person having fellowship with one another and have unity of doctrine. They agree with the statement of faith when they join the local body of believers. So they are united, in one accord so to speak with doctrine. There are pastors/elders/teachers who lead the flock and there is accountability to those who rule/lead over you are overseers.

Online forums are not the body of Christ and have a large diversity of different religious persuasions on their boards. It is not the local fellowship of believers. No one here is my pastor/elder whom I give an account to and fellowship with in person on a regular basis.

 

[Episkopos]

You defined Jesus The Christ as a "whipping boy", and you defined the Grace of God, who is Jesus, as "free stuff".... and you posted this on a Christian forum .

So, there are those who protect you here, and there are those who recognize you.

They are not the same.

It is what it is, Episkopos.

You are as inaccurate in quoting me as you are in understanding...or misunderstanding the bible.

I preach the gospel...without the human interpretations that champion sin.

I said that you treat Jesus as a whipping boy...against the counsel of the bible. So then look to your own twisting of the truth.

What you should say...if you want to be honest..is that I say that YOU treat Jesus as a whipping boy. YOU treat Jesus as your scapegoat....or a Genie...or an idol.

The free sample of grace is meant to attract us to seek God. But you are only into whatever is free...without any notion of what is available to all through grace.

 

[Episkopos]

A forum is not a church, a local body. A church body is where people meet together in person having fellowship with one another and have unity of doctrine. They agree with the statement of faith when they join the local body of believers. So they are united, in one accord so to speak with doctrine. There are pastors/elders/teachers who lead the flock and there is accountability to those who rule/lead over you are overseers.

Online forums are not the body of Christ and have a large diversity of different religious persuasions on their boards. It is not the local fellowship of believers. No one here is my pastor/elder whom I give an account to and fellowship with in person on a regular basis.

Basically, you are saying that no one is an example of a disciple online? Different versions of the truth? You seem to be promoting different cults...that follow local leaders with NO regard whatsoever to the church elsewhere. No wonder there are thousands of denominations.

Is the truth like a supermarket whereby you choose what you want to believe? Is it only based on whatever produce is available in a given store?

Fortunately, because of the internet, we can shop online and get whatever is available in the whole world. We are not limited to whatever limitations men impose on the truth.

The truth is available...even to people in small towns who are stuck with un-enlightened clergymen.

Then there is the bible that can be properly understood by the Holy Spirit...in spite of what a popular religious ideology wants you to believe.

 

[Behold]

You are as inaccurate in quoting me as you are in understanding...or misunderstanding the bible.

Its what you said to me.
You posted those Christ insulting words to me... and i'll post the to you, for as long as you keep trying to deny it., and you'll keep trying.
As, What else can you do?

I preach the gospel...without the human interpretations that champion sin.

There is only one Gospel.
It's Paul's.
When you start posting it, i'll let you know.

I said that you treat Jesus as a whipping boy...against the counsel of the bible. So then look to your own twisting of the truth.

Ah, here is the trickery, the falseness that is to deal with you.
You are hung in your own previous history of Christ insulting words, and now you would try to recreate them to avoid the accountablity.

Its pathetic behavior.

What you should say...if you want to be honest..is that I say that YOU treat Jesus as a whipping boy. YOU treat Jesus as your scapegoat....or a Genie...or an idol.

I treat Jesus as The Living Savior, whose Cross is the Blood Atonement, whose Life given on it, is the Redemption that is the New Covenant.

The free sample of grace is meant to attract us to seek God.

The "free sample of Grace'

"free sample"?'

is that like a free sample of perfume or a free sample of Vitamins or a 'free sample" of dog food?
Your theology, according to your posts, is not even related to the Grace of God or anything that Paul's teaches.
And you posting a few verses by Paul, is not going to help you,, Episkopos.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"People are to stuck in what they were taught or their religion and their belief system, they can not just learn from others."

I separate myself from this statement. I am not stuck... in part because of the blessing, or perhaps in some cases the curse of forums such as this.

Allow me to explain.

I, was raised on the Presbyterian Church beliefs and teachings. (The history of how my current church jumped ship about 15 years ago from USA to Evagelical is a story for another day) I never gave a single thought to what they were when decades ago my adoptive mom ( birth died and dad remarried and she adopted me) who, for the couple of years or so on Sunday mornings we would go to her RCC and hear a sermon, and wonder in amazement when we got to my Presby church it was basically the same thing. So, eventually when we moved to the new house and joined the Presby church just over the hill.. mom converted becasue she believes in one
religion in a family.

Before had, when I went through communicants class to join the church I honestly can say I don't remember much of what was taught... That would have been 63 years ago.

But all Presbyterian churches are the same today , as yesterday and they still hang their hats on Westminster Confession of Faith which does include predestination and very little is ever talked of on "free will"

So I had gone for most of my life... until that last 10 or 12 years in "my" security that I was one that God predestined... even though it is not really said like that ... at least in the churches I attended... it was more or less assumed.

So enter the Arminian / Calvinist debates that I have been following with rapt attention.

Reasonably secure in my churches beliefs... For the first time in my life I read what Calvin said about predestination.

Calvin: Predestination

Calvin on predestination: To his glory, God determined before all creation those who would obtain eternal life, and those who would receive eternal death.

www.theologian-theology.com

I saw this and while I do realize that God draws people to Jesus... John 6:44... I see nowhere that it ws ever said
He would only draw those he selected from before the creation of the world....

And the thoughts that He would bar access to salvation and send to eternal death... (some say damnation)

I just SMH at this.

SO I AM AT ODDS WITH MY OWN CHURCH> Wish I wasn't because I would feel more secure if I could believe
that I was predestined to be saved.... but I cant. Not any longer.

this is exactly what I mean by being open minded.

when we are closed minded. things that make no sense make perfect sense to us, because we skim over it and do not read to see what it really is saying.. we ignore it. because to see it would cause us to change our view or admit we are wrong. or the one we trusted taught us wrong.

 

[Episkopos]

Its what you said to me.
You posted those Christ insulting words to me... and i'll post the to you, for as long as you keep trying to deny it., and you'll keep trying.
As, What else can you do?



There is only one Gospel.
It's Paul's.
When you start posting it, i'll let you know.




Ah, here is the trickery, the falseness that is to deal with you.
You are hung in your own previous history of Christ insulting words, and now you would try to recreate them to avoid the accountablity.

Its pathetic behavior.




I treat Jesus as The Living Savior, whose Cross is the Blood Atonement, whose Life given on it, is the Redemption that is the New Covenant.





The "free sample of Grace'

"free sample"?'

is that like a free sample of perfume or a free sample of Vitamins.
Your theology, according to your posts, is not even related to the Grace of God or anything that Paul's teaches.
And you posting a few versed by Paul, is not going to help you,, Episkopos.

2 Peter 3:16​

“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

FYI...Paul taught the same gospel as Jesus did...and the other apostles...concerning the kingdom of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Its what you said to me.
You posted those Christ insulting words to me... and i'll post the to you, for as long as you keep trying to deny it., and you'll keep trying.
As, What else can you do?



There is only one Gospel.
It's Paul's.
When you start posting it, i'll let you know.




Ah, here is the trickery, the falseness that is to deal with you.
You are hung in your own previous history of Christ insulting words, and now you would try to recreate them to avoid the accountablity.

Its pathetic behavior.




I treat Jesus as The Living Savior, whose Cross is the Blood Atonement, whose Life given on it, is the Redemption that is the New Covenant.





The "free sample of Grace'

"free sample"?'

is that like a free sample of perfume or a free sample of Vitamins or a 'free sample" of dog food?
Your theology, according to your posts, is not even related to the Grace of God or anything that Paul's teaches.
And you posting a few verses by Paul, is not going to help you,, Episkopos.

remember, He falsly accuses people and claims they say things they never said. and refuses to admit it. And his followers refuse to call him out.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

2 Peter 3:16​

“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

the good thing the ones who understand true grace. and understand the law and what it taught have no worry about this.

Sadly. there are many unlearned who do not have an understanding of the law and what it taught or grace.. and this they should heed.

 

[Episkopos]

remember, He falsly accuses people and claims they say things they never said. and refuses to admit it. And his followers refuse to call him out.

You are right only if you are speaking about Behold. And you are right about what you do. And you are continuing in the same vein by falsely accusing me of nothing...just you being in a snit because you hate the truth.

 

[Behold]

A forum is not a church, a local body. A church body is where people meet together in person

Another way to see it...
"Assembling together" on a Forum, is not less of a "church" than sitting next to people in a room, that you never talk to, and never meet, and try to hurry past once the Sunday Service is concluded.

A Pastor will say..."ok, greet your neighbor", and that is as much as you'll even know about them, for a decade.

Whereas, on a Forum, we engage on a very deep level, even tho we are hidden as alts..
Yet, this interaction, can be more valid "spiritually" then a person sitting in a church building, looking at their watch, and hoping the Minister will "Hurry up so that we can all go and eat and watch the football game".

I personally enjoy teaching my students, face to face, but i always find that teaching using "TEXT", can be very empowering to the real student, online.

 

[Behold]

2 Peter 3:16​

“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

According to your Theology....You are the person in the verse.

"Reality Check".

 

[Episkopos]

I think people are so religious that they see church as religious services rather than how the Body is supposed to interact.

 

[Behold]

remember, He falsly accuses people and claims they say things they never said. and refuses to admit it. And his followers refuse to call him out.

You mean people like St. Steven who encourages him?

Well, he is always trying to antagonize a real believer.
He's allowed to do it on this forum, but that wont fly on quite a few others who keep this type off the screen.

 

[Episkopos]

According to your Theology....You are the person in the verse.

"Reality Check".

LOL. You are the one who misunderstands Paul and ignores Jesus. Everything you say is backwards... typical Behold.

 

[Behold]

LOL. You are the one who misunderstands Paul and ignores Jesus. Everything you say is backwards... typical Behold.

Impossible to prove, but easy for you to say.

Will you come now and post some self righteousness in place of that "sample of Grace" ?

Go right ahead.
We're use to it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are right about Behold. And you are right about what you do. And you are continuing in the same vein by falsely accusing me of nothing...just you being in a snit because you hate the truth.

once again show us one time we have falsly accused you?

I can show many times you have falsly accused others.. And you never repent of those things

 

[Eternally Grateful]

LOL. You are the one who misunderstands Paul and ignores Jesus. Everything you say is backwards... typical Behold.

Paul and jesus are in agreement

he who believes is not condemned.

he who does not believe is condemned already

we are saved by grace through this same belief/faith.. not of works.

Your the one who is backwards my friend. your trying to put everyone back under law.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think people are so religious that they see church as religious services trather than how the Body is supposed to interact.

is this why you are the way you are?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You mean people like St. Steven who encourages him?

Well, he is always trying to antagonize a real believer.
He's allowed to do it on this forum, but that wont fly on quite a few others who keep this type off the screen.

its amazing

St. Steven got mad at me because I was calling Epi out.. Yet when Epi so called calls others out.. He does nto say a word.

Epi was caught red handed slandering a dear sister.. Yet not a word of chastening to Epi..