If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum - Agree, or disagree? - LOL

[Grailhunter]

How much does coping have to do with it? We are to have no part with blasphemers and liars, and teachers of lies.

The church is not meant to the pillar of A truth..but THE truth. The standard is SOOOOO low right now, that a person might have to think there is no truth possible so as to get along with others who believe that very same thing.

Sometimes it is not about what I believe is right or what you believe is right and the difference does not amount to evil.

I am discussing with Behold the requirement for water emersion baptism. I consider that a basic understanding. But then with over 30,000 denominations it is obvious that some things are a matter of interpretations.

But of all those denominations how many would agree on the basics? And be able to unite on things. How many would agree on.....

1. Acts 2:38

2. The requirement for the Bread and Wine ritual....some may have differing beliefs on what it is....what happens.....what it does....what is the reason for it?

3. Christian morals.....what are sins? They are written in the Bible....a lot of denominations add a bunch of sins.

Ya might not be able to get it down to one denomination but maybe less than 10.

And like I said, having separate and distinct denominations only works in the preacher’s head because sitting in the pews can be a dozen other beliefs.

 

[St. SteVen]

Excerpt from the OP.

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -
But, can we embrace disagreement? (and each other?)

How do you react when you encounter disagreement?

[ cc: @Episkopos

 

[Behold]

Excerpt from the OP.

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -

Its one thing to disagree, but its the devil's work to try to cause disagreement just to get "clicks"... just to keep a Thread going and going.

See that person?
That one ., is not here for God, they are only here to create chaos and try to ruin faith.. and cause STRIFE because they are carnal to their core.

 

[Episkopos]

Excerpt from the OP.

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -
But, can we embrace disagreement? (and each other?)

How do you react when you encounter disagreement?

[ cc: @Episkopos

I think it's normal that ideas are discussed with a certain amount of incredulity regarding the gospel...which is revolutionary in its scope. People tend to downplay the revolutionary nature of the coming of Christ, and the subsequent establishment of God's kingdom in our space.

When a deeper message is proclaimed, people will scramble in their still low-resolution understanding. Then we turn to the bible...hopefully with an open mind and an honest appreciation that most have only a very partial grasp of eternal things.

 

[Johann]

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -
But, can we embrace disagreement? (and each other?)

How do you react when you encounter disagreement?

That's a great point—forums thrive on different perspectives, and it's in those differences that we often grow the most. I think about what Paul says in Romans 14:1, "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters." It reminds me that disagreement is inevitable, but our response should be one of grace and understanding.

When I encounter disagreement, I try to remember Proverbs 15:1, "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." It helps me approach the situation with humility and a desire to listen. And of course, Ephesians 4:2 always comes to mind: "Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love." Disagreement doesn't have to divide us if we choose to approach each other with love and patience. Embracing each other despite our differences is how we truly reflect the body of Christ.

 

[Johann]

I think it's normal that ideas are discussed with a certain amount of incredulity regarding the gospel...which is revolutionary in its scope. People tend to downplay the revolutionary nature of the coming of Christ, and the subsequent establishment of God's kingdom in our space.

When a deeper message is proclaimed, people will scramble in their still low-resolution understanding. Then we turn to the bible...hopefully with an open mind and an honest appreciation that most have only a very partial grasp of eternal things.

I see where you're coming from, and it's true that the Gospel challenges our understanding in profound ways. However, I think it's important to be cautious with terms like "revolutionary" because while Christ's coming certainly transformed the world, His kingdom is not about earthly revolutions but rather the spiritual renewal and redemption of humanity.

As Jesus said in John 18:36, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place." This reminds us that the nature of Christ's mission transcends worldly concepts of change and power.

When we encounter a deeper message from Scripture, it's natural for people to struggle with it, as 1 Corinthians 2:14 says, "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." This is why turning to the Bible with a heart that seeks God’s truth, rather than relying on our limited understanding, is so crucial.

Proverbs 3:5-6 guides us to "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight." By humbly acknowledging that our grasp of eternal matters is incomplete, we open ourselves to the wisdom and guidance that only God can provide through His Word and His Spirit.

J.

 

[Behold]

When a deeper message is proclaimed,

Every false theology ever taught by this type, always tries to present it as "deeper revelation", or "deeper understanding", and that is because this type of insidious shell game, has a great potential to fool weak believers, and non-Christians... and often does.

 

[Episkopos]

Every false theology ever taught by this type, always tries to present it as "deeper revelation", or "deeper understanding", and that is because this type of insidious shell game, has a great potential to fool weak believers, and non-Christians... and often does.

Are you saying that your shallow assessments are safer? A lot of false teachers claim that.

 

[Behold]

Are you saying that your shallow assessments are safer?

Paul's Theology is not shallow, and if you knew that, you would not foolishly imply it.

You will use this name "Paul" to try to sell your bizarre theology to the kiddies on forums who are easily misled while you pretend you are a part of His theology, but you are not.

You can't even explain why the Salvation of God that is the imputed righteousness of Christ, keeps you saved, once it has redeemed you.

To you, this is "what is that stuff".

You should give that a try, except you could never explain it, you could only pretend to explain it, or deny it. @Episkopos
And if you try to pretend to explain it, i'll show the member here more that they need to understand regarding your cultish, bizarre, theology, that is only known by you., apparently, as its even outside Mormon and JW "crazy"... and thats a fact.

 

[Episkopos]

Paul's Theology is not shallow, and if you knew that, you would not foolishly imply it.

Your shallow understanding is missing Paul's message which is far deeper than you can comprehend. Peter warns people of twisting Paul's words. You have made a ministry out of that twisting. Have you considered a career in dancing?

You will use this name "Paul" to try to sell your bizarre theology to the kiddies on forums who are easily misled while you pretend you are a part of His theology, but you are not.

You can't even explain why the Salvation of God that is the imputed righteousness of Christ, keeps you saved, once it has redeemed you.

Dogmatic twaddle. You are looking to make religious formulas based on theories...that have no power but to deceive.

To you, this is "what is that stuff".

You should give that a try, except you could never explain it, you could only pretend to explain it, or deny it. @Episkopos
And if you try to pretend to explain it, i'll show the member here more that they need to understand regarding your cultish, bizarre, theology, that is only known by you., apparently, as its even outside Mormon and JW "crazy"... and thats a fact.

I speak sound doctrine which people can no longer accept. But I can quote Jesus' words directly and get strange looks and insults. I marvel at the deplorable state of the churches of the West.

 

[Behold]

Your shallow understanding is missing Paul's message

Paul's message is that Christ's Blood and Death, that is the "preaching of The Cross" that is the Gospel, which is the forgiveness of sin, that produces God's Righteousness given to the BELIVER... is what is missing in your Theology., as your theology denies both of those.
Do you need me to quote you again?
Its not a prob.

You are looking to make religious formulas based on theories...that have no power but to deceive.

Jesus is Salvation, .. Jesus is Eternal Life... Jesus is THE Truth, and Jesus is THE Resurrection.

Every Born again CHRISTian, has those, living inside them, as "Christ in You, the Hope of Glory".
How do you know?
Because every born again Christian, has become "THE Temple of the Holy Spirit" and "God is A Spirit" and "Christ is THAT Spirit".

That's not "a theory"., its a Fact of "The Gift of Salvation" and you have no knowledge of this, at all, according to your Videos, Threads, and Posts.

I speak sound doctrine

Paul's Doctrine is "sound", and your doctrine is yours, and its not sound, its bizarre.
Now, you can often make it "sound" as if its true, and that is your gift of deception. @Episkopos

 

[Taken]

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum - Agree, or disagree? - LOL

As long as there are mortal humans there will be disagreements.
Every human begins Against God…
Every human has their learning period About God….
Every human goes through wondering, doubting, believing, learning more, wondering more….
BEFORE they are ready to commit to a submission or rejection…
Some crave and desire to believe….
Others just don’t.
Mans journey is to figure out what their hearts truly desire…
And Gods Promise is every human Shall have their True hearts desire fulfilled.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[St. SteVen]

Excerpt from the OP.

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -
But, can we embrace disagreement? (and each other?)

How do you react when you encounter disagreement?



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[St. SteVen]

"Agree, or disagree?"
That really is the question.

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -
But, can we embrace disagreement? (and each other?)

How do you react when you encounter disagreement?

If I disagree with you, was it meant to be a declaration of war? (nope)
Now, it may depend on HOW we respond to one another.
Did I declare war with my reply, or just state my position?

Agreeable, or disagreeable?
That REALLY is the question.

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[Behold]

If everyone agreed, there wouldn't be much point to a forum -

So your sad opinion is........."A christian forum is a place where people should come to disagree"

Well, what if you had a genuine thought, of substance, and considered that a christian forum should be a place where students of the bible can learn, and christians in general can fellowship with each other, in peace, and in love.

But vain and deceived people like you, who are only here to agitate and teach a false gospel (Universalism),.....are the exact reason that a forum like this one is harmful to christians, especially new Christisans... vs helpful @St. SteVen

 

[St. SteVen]

Well, what if you had a genuine thought, of substance, and considered that a christian forum should be a place where students of the bible can learn, and christians in general can fellowship with each other, in peace, and in love.

If you ever find that forum...

... don't join, or you would ruin it. - LOL

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[Behold]

If you ever find that forum...

... don't join, or you would ruin it. - LOL

You are here., aren't you?
You teach people how to go to hell, as your "Universalism Gospel" that denies they have to give God their Faith, and be born again, while they are alive.
So, the Mods here, accept this from you, and that is why someone like you is allowed to continue to lie about the Bible and regarding the Gospel.

Now should a "christian" forum, do this?

Should a Chrisitan forum allow Cross denying Heresy, that you teach, to remain on the Forum?

Im pretty outspoken about this, because i understand that when you are allowed to teach unbelievers how to go to hell as your false gospel, then you are doing the devil's work on a "christian" forum, and that can't be "of God". @St. SteVen

 

[Scott Downey]

If you ever find that forum...

... don't join, or you would ruin it. - LOL

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I suppose you can say disagreement is of God to show who is true, and has God's approval, perhaps at the judgment seat of Christ, if not in this life.

You know not all will have the same resurrection., God is not a communist.

1 Cor 11
17 Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be [b]recognized among you.

 

[Scott Downey]

Definitley there will be divisions among us.
But we do not have to entertain them, there is an ignore button, use it for the sake of peace.


I just tried out an emoji

Have you noticed the ones who disagree so much take everything so seriously, they will actually disagree with everything you say, or they will find something they think faulty and exploit it against you, they start up a lot of contrariness against posters, and may exploit that to the max, if you let them keep doing it by feeding them trolls.

 

[St. SteVen]

God is not a communist.

Even though the early church was?

Acts 2:44 NIV
All the believers were together and had everything in common.

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