Hi JIF
I also am having a problem understanding but what I gather is that you like the KJ bible the best and that the CCC contradicts it.
I just want to say that the CC does not believe people go to hell for not going to confession. They DO believe that if someone has a mortal sin and does not confess it then they are lost.
Well, do consider that the fellow board member, Grams , had believed it for why Grams left the CC.
If you consider that on pg 222 of #837 where the Catholic catechism teaches that although incorporated into the Catholic Church and doing all the sacraments, if the believer does not persevere in charity, they are not saved, then how can any Catholic NOT think they are going to hell if they do not go to the confessionals when everything they do in the church is just as important for salvation?
Some priests I know do not really believe this, but I guess BreadofLife will have something to say about this.
Well, again, how can any priest not believe the loss of salvation; even BreadofLife believes one can lose salvation so he is in a conundrum for judging Catholics as lazy for not reading the Bible when the Catholic catechism pretty much over ride what the Bible says "if otherwise" as taught by the Catholic Church since Catholics are to rely on the Church for the final say on what the Bible says. Their catechism trumps Bible.
The older catholics basically don't understand why it's necessary to know the bible. They always depended on the priest to tell them what they need to know.
Being taught to rely in the "wisdom" of those who claim they have read that Bible, when in fact they are trained to take the Catechism over whatever else that the Bible opposes or does not support that which is in the Catechism, it is a wonder how a Catholic cannot believe they can lose their salvation.
Most of my catholic friends are happy to go to Mass and be "good" people.
Not in God's eyes when they believe that one time sacrifice for sins is being made present again so they can receive it again, thus treating the blood of the Son on par with the blood of goats and bulls, no... God will be wroth with those people, but as God judge, they are still His people, thus saved, but it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
The ones who ARE interested do understand about belief, but they're few and far between. I think this is true in the Protestant church too these days. I'm not sure.
Lutherans have not dropped the term sacrament when they left the Catholic Church. They even believe His Presence is in the bread and the wine. I saw one Methodist church perform communion like the Mass. My former Presbyterian church had begun communion with, "We come into His Presence today..." as if He was not already within us since we had first believed the gospel when we were saved. So there is a lot of Catholic left in communion that needs pruning for people, including Catholics, to see our faith in Jesus Christ as standing apart from the dead works of the CC.
That is why I cannot point any Catholic to go to any Protestant churches, but I can point them to go to the Father by going to Jesus Christ for life.
Since obviously, no guarantee is given by the Catholic Church since all the works within that "savior " is dependent on the participants, how long will it be before the rest of the Catholics see the CC for the rip off that the CC is? There is no joy of salvation in it.
So what does the scripture point to for life?
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me......13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber......7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The Catholic Church over the centuries has propped herself in between the believers and Jesus Christ in being that thief and taught to go to her for life instead of the Son, thus qualifying for the descriptive title of being one of the antichrists in the world. That is why they are to leave it for their faith to shine in Him.
