If you believe these are the end times, why do you not also believe great apostacy has come?

[Trekson]

"Yes but No" does not change the error of being off on the truth of God as far off as the world is from the kingdom.

"Soon" is just God being kind, being patient, allowing the times to let the truth sink in. But that truth is not of the worldly terms they are presented in--far from it. Heaven forbid that we should think that the terms of the clay are the terms of the Potter--they are not. No, but there is not even a "soon" in the greater truth of God...just as it has been clarified of the very thing that is at the heart of all these matters, as much as saying, No, but rather putting aside the times and speaking the truth, it is even written, as "before the foundation of the world."

So, you can continue believing in terms of the clay that was mixed with the waters that I have been explaining, and I can continue to rightly clarify to those whose ears are stopped with that same clay, while no one hears...or you can drop the clay and look rather to the waters from above which I have been speaking by. Both are before us all.

You just keep doing whatever makes you happy, but not necessarily correct.

 

[ScottA]

To think a person would promote the act of personal "Salvation" as fulfilling the literal, visible, second coming seen below and in countless places throughout the bible

Thats Way out of the ball park Scott, and you really believe yourself

Jesus Is The Lord

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I have explained, and I could again, but you are not understanding.

You do realize though, that you are advocating for the idea of Jesus lowering Himself again in order to come again as you say? Ain't going to happen. He said so: “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also." John 14:19

 

[ScottA]

You just keep doing whatever makes you happy, but not necessarily correct.

Indeed I will, for the ways of God are pleasing to those who understand, while the ways of the world bring destruction.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I have advocated under great criticism, that what most have put off to the future actually did "shorty take place"

This is Preterism or at least Partial- Preterism, so don't try to disown it.
Your OP is an accusation that all other views are based on lies and delusions.
You interpret the Second Coming as Christ's spiritually knockong on our door, being born again and then again His appearance to us at death. His knocking, His calling and Salvation is spiritual and at death, there is no doubt that we will see and are with the Lord.
Make no mistake, there will be Hid physical appearance that will occur on earth. HE WILL COME IN THE CLOUDS AS HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN, AS THE ANGELS CLEARLY EXPLAINED TO THOSE WHO WITNESSED IT.
He will gather His elect, (not just one by one as they've died throughout history or as He lifted each of their veils, one by one); He will gather some 2.7 billion believers at once, in a twinkling of an eye and transform them into eternal spiritual (multi-dimensional) bodies.
He will come with His angels.
His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives and it will split in two.
He will judge the world and defeat the Anti-Christ in a great war - billions will die.
A worldwide earthquake will level buildings and mountains, with super volcanic eruptions, fire burning 1/3 of the planet, massive tsunamis, pestilence.
And for the only time in history ScottA will be silent - for about a half hour!
After the Great Tribulation carnage, Jesus will physically reign on earth for 1000 years, in a Paradise reborn with only Christians.

If you understand that there is no clay and no time in the revelation of "all truth", then understand that I have not been speaking of the things of God with regard to the things or the times of this world,

There is no need to measure time in heaven. Time is a physical dimension. But one moment to the next or a conversation passes time, it's just not measured by earth's or the sun's rotation, minutes or hours. But eternity passes time, moment to moment. And John estimated a period of time that passed in heaven, (which was his earthly concept of time) from one event _ 30 minutes of silence _ to the next event.
You are so adament about there not being any clay in heaven. Well, the Lord will save you some Silly Putty on earth... as much as you want.

 

[ScottA]

This is Preterism or at least Partial- Preterism, so don't try to disown it.
Your OP is an accusation that all other views are based on lies and delusions.
You interpret the Second Coming as Christ's spiritually knockong on our door, being born again and then again His appearance to us at death. His knocking, His calling and Salvation is spiritual and at death, there is no doubt that we will see and are with the Lord.
Make no mistake, there will be Hid physical appearance that will occur on earth. HE WILL COME IN THE CLOUDS AS HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN, AS THE ANGELS CLEARLY EXPLAINED TO THOSE WHO WITNESSED IT.
He will gather His elect, (not just one by one as they've died throughout history or as He lifted each of their veils, one by one); He will gather some 2.7 billion believers at once, in a twinkling of an eye and transform them into eternal spiritual (multi-dimensional) bodies.
He will come with His angels.
His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives and it will split in two.
He will judge the world and defeat the Anti-Christ in a great war - billions will die.
A worldwide earthquake will level buildings and mountains, with super volcanic eruptions, fire burning 1/3 of the planet, massive tsunamis, pestilence.
And for the only time in history ScottA will be silent - for about a half hour!
After the Great Tribulation carnage, Jesus will physically reign on earth for 1000 years, in a Paradise reborn with only Christians.

You do not understand.

You contradict the scriptures then state it also as it truly is, not knowing that you have even contradicted them. Which is it--does Christ come again in the form of a lowly man of flesh again (or in the flesh which He laid down and gave to His church and the earth to be dissolved), or does He come in the glory of the Father whom is spirit--not in glory, or in glory? Does He come to "but each one in his own order", or to all in the twinkling of an eye? Both are written--but you mix the two in contradiction, while I have merely explained them as the one being from the perspective of this world (which His kingdom is not), and also from the only true way as being from the perspective of God in whom there is no separation of times.

So, yes, He comes to all in the twinkling of an eye--but not in the world--for He said, "The world sees me no more." Making that account not of or in the world, but out of the world--which by definition is correct biblically, but cannot be called "Preterist" as you say.

As for those other things that would seem to confirm Jesus' touching down in sight of this world, which contradict what He himself has clearly stated--these too you have not fully understood, but have them stuck in your craw as a stumbling block, and therefore you contradict what is written. These things I can and have explained, but you will not hear it even though it is written, and your own understanding contradicts as if scripture could actually contradict scripture. It cannot, but you, you do. Therefore, you and most of Christendom remain in dimness...until the times are fulfilled.

 

[ScottA]

This is Preterism or at least Partial- Preterism, so don't try to disown it.
Your OP is an accusation that all other views are based on lies and delusions.
You interpret the Second Coming as Christ's spiritually knockong on our door, being born again and then again His appearance to us at death. His knocking, His calling and Salvation is spiritual and at death, there is no doubt that we will see and are with the Lord.
Make no mistake, there will be Hid physical appearance that will occur on earth. HE WILL COME IN THE CLOUDS AS HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN, AS THE ANGELS CLEARLY EXPLAINED TO THOSE WHO WITNESSED IT.
He will gather His elect, (not just one by one as they've died throughout history or as He lifted each of their veils, one by one); He will gather some 2.7 billion believers at once, in a twinkling of an eye and transform them into eternal spiritual (multi-dimensional) bodies.
He will come with His angels.
His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives and it will split in two.
He will judge the world and defeat the Anti-Christ in a great war - billions will die.
A worldwide earthquake will level buildings and mountains, with super volcanic eruptions, fire burning 1/3 of the planet, massive tsunamis, pestilence.
And for the only time in history ScottA will be silent - for about a half hour!
After the Great Tribulation carnage, Jesus will physically reign on earth for 1000 years, in a Paradise reborn with only Christians.

There is no need to measure time in heaven. Time is a physical dimension. But one moment to the next or a conversation passes time, it's just not measured by earth's or the sun's rotation, minutes or hours. But eternity passes time, moment to moment. And John estimated a period of time that passed in heaven, (which was his earthly concept of time) from one event _ 30 minutes of silence _ to the next event.
You are so adament about there not being any clay in heaven. Well, the Lord will save you some Silly Putty on earth... as much as you want.

Here you as much as admit that the times of this world are not to be the rule of the events that exist rather in God; yet you joke, and still you contradict even yourself to place those same events on a timeline (which does not exist with God) as if the things of this world were the greater truth when they are not.

You do not show yourself as having decided which is actually true: The way things are perceived from the perspective of this world, or as with God who does not share in those same terms.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Which is it--does Christ come again in the form of a lowly man of flesh again (or in the flesh which He laid down and gave to His church and the earth to be dissolved), or does He come in the glory of the Father whom is spirit--not in glory, or in glory

After His resurrection, he walked the land, they touched him, he ate food with them and ascended - like the angels who are spiritual beings and also appear in physical form. Jesus resurrected body is multi-dimensional. He appeared in the upper as if passing through the walls, He materialized. He was seen ten times during the 40 days, yet did not continuously stay in one place. He met the disciples at the Sea of Gallilee, 70 miles away. That's three days walk. He didn't walk, He just appeared there in a moment as He could anywhere on the planet.
So he will come again, in the clouds and walk on earth. Every eye will see Him, every knee will bow, year after year peoples of all nations will visit Him in Jerusalem. You don't believe it and it is no use ... I won't try anymore.

 

[ScottA]

After His resurrection, he walked the land, they touched him, he ate food with them and ascended - like the angels who are spiritual beings and also appear in physical form. Jesus resurrected body is multi-dimensional. He appeared in the upper as if passing through the walls, He materialized. He was seen ten times during the 40 days, yet did not continuously stay in one place. He met the disciples at the Sea of Gallilee, 70 miles away. That's three days walk. He didn't walk, He just appeared there in a moment as He could anywhere on the planet.
So he will come again, in the clouds and walk on earth. Every eye will see Him, every knee will bow, year after year peoples of all nations will visit Him in Jerusalem. You don't believe it and it is no use ... I won't try anymore.

You are still mixing things of this world with things that are not, and thereby contradicting the scriptures in unbelief. That is why we are at odds. You.