In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

[TribulationSigns]

Excellent question. I don't expect that he will answer it because he normally disappears after questions are asked that he can't answer and that expose his false claims.

I will going to turn the table away from Davidpt on you and ask the same question to you who believe in Hearsay Partial Preterism Amillennialist doctrine. If your doctrine insisted that the Seventy week of Daniel expired in 70AD when you believe was the consummation, THEN when did the everlasting righteousness expire, humm?

Dan 9:24
(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This should be interesting if you answer honestly!

 

[covenantee]

nor is there any truth to your false claim that Daniel’s seventy weeks ended in 70 AD.

Another strawman heavily soaked with bovine excreta, not to mention patent stupidity.

Copy/paste just once where I've claimed that Daniel’s seventy weeks ended in 70 AD.

Just once.

Time for some additional guffaws.

 

[Exegesis]

I am still trying figure how it is that you mean the 2300 days/(years?) clock BEGAN ticking when God made the covenant with Noah.

Maybe in time you will see it. I am not going to force it.

The 2300 days in Daniel has absolutely nothing to do with Noah.

It has everything to do with Noah and Her Seed that was so delicately cared for in the Ark. You should know that the Bible teaches that we all came from those eight. That is a big deal.

Do you not care about the genealogy of Jesus? God cares. Look at the verses again. The 2300 years begins with how Jesus got here after the flood:

Genesis 10:1 - "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood."

The 2300 years traces his genealogy to his birth, ministry, crucifixion and rising. It is all beautiful and incredible the more one looks into it, yet you throw it all in the garbage. Very telling. Can't have the sheep waking up on your watch it seems.

Approx. 523 BC.- KJV Daniel 8
[13] Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give BOTH the [temple] sanctuary and the host [army of Israel] to be trodden under foot?

Again, it is up to you to calculate the starting point from the end point. The end point was the Crucifixion. OK, now subtract 2300 years. Why is this so difficult? Are you using the day/year principle for the seventy weeks? If so, why did you change the 2300 years to something else? You failed in your exegesis. You swapped days for years, back and forth, to make your theory work. That is not how it's done.

[14] And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred [2300] Days; THEN [by Judas Maccabeus] shall the sanctuary be cleansed [restored].

Again, you are wrongly assuming that the starting point happened when the prophecy was spoken. That is a rookie mistake. Simple exegesis demonstrates that the cleansing of the Sanctuary happened at the cross, which you obviously are trying to sweep under the rug.

Now I see who you worship. Yep, you are one of them that I have been warning about. What a shame. You seemed intelligent enough to see through the lies. Now I see that you will forever promote said lies. Who cares what Scripture says when you have Judas on your side... lol. It is what it is.

Later @Earburner . I am done wasting time with you.

 

[covenantee]

I will going to turn the table away from Davidpt on you and ask the same question to you who believe in Hearsay Partial Preterism Amillennialist doctrine. If your doctrine insisted that the Seventy week of Daniel expired in 70AD when you believe was the consummation, THEN when did the everlasting righteousness expire, humm?

Dan 9:24
(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This should be interesting if you answer honestly!

See post 342.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Copy/paste just once where I've claimed that Daniel’s seventy weeks ended in 70 AD.

Cited from Spiritual Israelite's post, whether YOU agree with it partly or fully:

Just once.

 

[TribulationSigns]

See post 342.

See. You really can't answer the question. Try again.

 

[covenantee]

Cited from Spiritual Israelite's post, whether YOU agree with it partly or fully:

Just once.

More excreta+stupidity as expected.

Copy/paste the claim that the 70th week ended in 70 AD.

Highlight it and italicize it and redden it so we're sure not to miss it.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Amen!! I agree 100%

Agreed too. Spiritually, the Old Testament congregation was desolate and fell at the Cross. And the New Testament congregation was spiritually rebuilt by Christ in three days. Done but it was NOT considered as the consummation of verse 27 as the Spiritual Israelites believed.

I do not agree to a single consummation that is ONLY connected to the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem.

Good. The consummation has nothing to do with the physical destruction of the temple and the city in 70AD. That was misapplication of Scripture.

However, I do agree to  "THE" single consummation that SHALL come AFTER the symbolic 1000 years of God's Grace has ended, at the very last end of Him POURING out that which was "determined" upon the "desolate" who have repented and do believe in Jesus. See 2 Peter ch. 3.

Indeed. Determined upon the desolation of the New Testament congregation (just like Israel was in verse 26).

 

[TribulationSigns]

More excreta+stupidity as expected.

Copy/paste the claim that the 70th week ended in 70 AD.

Highlight it and italicize it and redden it so we're sure not to miss it.

It still applies to you and Spiritual Israelite, whether you two agree doctrinally or not, although pretty close. I should have mentioned SI in the first place since this is what his doctrine believe. Regardless I wanted to know what you AND Spiritual Israelite believe when the everlasting righteousness ends exactly to see how far you two apart on this:

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I will going to turn the table away from Davidpt on you and ask the same question to you who believe in Hearsay Partial Preterism Amillennialist doctrine. If your doctrine insisted that the Seventy week of Daniel expired in 70AD when you believe was the consummation, THEN when did the everlasting righteousness expire, humm?​

Dan 9:24​

(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.​

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This should be interesting if you answer honestly!​

 

[covenantee]

It still applies to you and Spiritual Israelite, whether you two agree doctrinally or not, although pretty close. I should have mentioned SI in the first place since this is what his doctrine believe. Regardless I wanted to know what you AND Spiritual Israelite believe when the everlasting righteousness ends exactly to see how far you two apart on this:

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I will going to turn the table away from Davidpt on you and ask the same question to you who believe in Hearsay Partial Preterism Amillennialist doctrine. If your doctrine insisted that the Seventy week of Daniel expired in 70AD when you believe was the consummation, THEN when did the everlasting righteousness expire, humm?​

Dan 9:24​

(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.​

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This should be interesting if you answer honestly!​

As expected. Thanks for the guffaws.

I don't answer to strawmen.

Nothing will improve until you discontinue those hallucinogens.

 

[IndianaRob]

It still applies to you and Spiritual Israelite, whether you two agree doctrinally or not, although pretty close. I should have mentioned SI in the first place since this is what his doctrine believe. Regardless I wanted to know what you AND Spiritual Israelite believe when the everlasting righteousness ends exactly to see how far you two apart on this:

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I will going to turn the table away from Davidpt on you and ask the same question to you who believe in Hearsay Partial Preterism Amillennialist doctrine. If your doctrine insisted that the Seventy week of Daniel expired in 70AD when you believe was the consummation, THEN when did the everlasting righteousness expire, humm?​

Dan 9:24​

(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.​

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This should be interesting if you answer honestly!​

I haven’t followed this chat very closely but everlasting righteousness is the righteousness of Christ which was brought in when Jesus died on the cross.

 

[covenantee]

It still applies to you and Spiritual Israelite, whether you two agree doctrinally or not, although pretty close. I should have mentioned SI in the first place since this is what his doctrine believe. Regardless I wanted to know what you AND Spiritual Israelite believe when the everlasting righteousness ends exactly to see how far you two apart on this:

​

I will going to turn the table away from Davidpt on you and ask the same question to you who believe in Hearsay Partial Preterism Amillennialist doctrine. If your doctrine insisted that the Seventy week of Daniel expired in 70AD when you believe was the consummation, THEN when did the everlasting righteousness expire, humm?​

Dan 9:24​

(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.​

​

This should be interesting if you answer honestly!​

There'll be no more answers until you admit that neither @Spiritual Israelite nor I have ever claimed that the 70th week ended in 70 AD.

 

[covenantee]

It still applies to you and Spiritual Israelite, whether you two agree doctrinally or not, although pretty close. I should have mentioned SI in the first place since this is what his doctrine believe. Regardless I wanted to know what you AND Spiritual Israelite believe when the everlasting righteousness ends exactly to see how far you two apart on this:

​

I will going to turn the table away from Davidpt on you and ask the same question to you who believe in Hearsay Partial Preterism Amillennialist doctrine. If your doctrine insisted that the Seventy week of Daniel expired in 70AD when you believe was the consummation, THEN when did the everlasting righteousness expire, humm?​

Dan 9:24​

(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.​

​

This should be interesting if you answer honestly!​

I'd also like to see you explain how a decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week can be part of 70 determined weeks.

 

[TribulationSigns]

As expected. Thanks for the guffaws.

I don't answer to strawmen.

Nothing will improve until you discontinue those hallucinogens.

I will take it that you refuse to answer a simple question based on your doctrine, anyway. Yeah, got it.

 

[Davidpt]

Excellent question. I don't expect that he will answer it because he normally disappears after questions are asked that he can't answer and that expose his false claims.

What is the point of everlasting righteousness unless it affects everyone on the planet equally? When the NHNE are ushered in do you agree or disagree that everlasting righteousness will affect everyone equally? If you agree, and surely you do, how can you insist everlasting righteousness has already been brought in 2000 years when the past 2000 years don't even remotely sound like everlasting righteousness is affecting everyone equally?

Maybe I should ask this? Is there everlasting righteousness that trumps another everlasting righteousness? For example, everlasting righteousness was allegedly brought in 2000 years ago. Peter was still looking for a place 2000 years ago wherein dwelleth righteousness, and that he was anticipating it after Jesus returns in the end of this age. Per this scenario, which everlasting righteousness trumps? The former or the latter? Or are you perhaps going to argue, that wherein dwelleth righteousness, this does not even equal everlasting righteousness? It is simply righteousness in general, not everlasting righteousness. Surely not. Surely you are not going to argue that, yet you insist everlasting righteousness was already brought in 2000 years ago.

The main point being this. If everlasting righteousness was already brought in 2000 years ago, why does it need to be brought in yet again in the future(2 Peter 3:13)? You would think though, the fact it is everlasting, it only needs to be brought in one time not multiple times.

 

[covenantee]

What is the point of everlasting righteousness unless it affects everyone on the planet equally? When the NHNE are ushered in do you agree or disagree that everlasting righteousness will affect everyone equally? If you agree, and surely you do, how can you insist everlasting righteousness has already been brought in 2000 years when the past 2000 years don't even remotely sound like everlasting righteousness is affecting everyone equally?

Maybe I should ask this? Is there everlasting righteousness that trumps another everlasting righteousness? For example, everlasting righteousness was allegedly brought in 2000 years ago. Peter was still looking for a place 2000 years ago wherein dwelleth righteousness, and that he was anticipating it after Jesus returns in the end of this age. Per this scenario, which everlasting righteousness trumps? The former or the latter? Or are you perhaps going to argue, that wherein dwelleth righteousness, this does not even equal everlasting righteousness? It is simply righteousness in general, not everlasting righteousness. Surely not. Surely you are not going to argue that, yet you insist everlasting righteousness was already brought in 2000 years ago.

You didn't answer the question.

If it's not everlasting righteousness, when did it end?

 

[TribulationSigns]

I'd also like to see you explain how a decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week can be part of 70 determined weeks.

I already explained this before. But like I said, but since you don’t like hearing it, you resorted to accusing me of “gnosis psychosis” and tried to split the 70 weeks into orphaned, undetermined, and determined segments, blah blah... If you believe I’m wrong, then tell me—when does the everlasting righteousness end? Was it in 70 AD, as Spiritual Israelites believe, when he thought the 70 weeks of Daniel concluded, or is it in the future, when the final elect of covenant Israel is secured to experience everlasting righteousness in Christ, as described in Revelation 7:1-4?

 

[covenantee]

I already explained this before. But like I said, but since you don’t like hearing it, you resorted to accusing me of “gnosis psychosis” and tried to split the 70 weeks into orphaned, undetermined, and determined segments, blah blah... If you believe I’m wrong, then tell me—when does the everlasting righteousness end? Was it in 70 AD, as Spiritual Israelites believe, when he thought the 70 weeks of Daniel concluded, or is it in the future, when the final elect of covenant Israel is secured to experience everlasting righteousness in Christ, as described in Revelation 7:1-4?

Classic cultic evasion.

Answer post 352.

 

[covenantee]

Here

There's nothing about the end of the 70th week there.

Are you really that comprehension challenged?

 

[TribulationSigns]

There's nothing about the end of the 70th week there.

Are you really that comprehension challenged?

Then you and SI believe that Daniel's 70 weeks did not end in 70AD? But when exactly did the consummation take place in verse 27?

I asked because SI wrote in his post, "Daniel 9:26-27 is about the physical destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings. The consummation refers to the consummation of that event." - - (Post #203)

Does this make it sound like the 70 week ended at the consummation, which he believed was in 70AD. How about you?