You should also read these verses to understand what the above means: I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins...Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am... And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (John 8:24,58; Exod 3:14)
You still have not figured out that the Son of God is I AM = God. But it is right there before the whole world. And those who will not believe this shall die in their sins.
Enoch, stop being ignorant and read your Bible with the guidance of the spirit..
Here we go again, another trinity lover quoting verses in defense of a pagan idol, that they don’t understand and deliberately not supplying any substance.
This is really what you believe?
Incidentally I agree with BB in his post of this subject although with one exception. Jesus was in the mind of YWHW and did not exist until his birth about 4 BC.
John 8:24b
For if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (KJV).
Trinitarians love to intimidate the meaning of the gospel by inferring in this verse for ‘he,’ the word ‘God.’ Thus they sometimes read this verse as:
For if ye believe not that I am he (God), ye shall die in your sins. (KJV). This is a blatant lie and distorts the gospel purpose.
The actual purpose of the gospel is written in verse John 20:31
“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is (NOT GOD) the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
if one chooses to not believe in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he will die in his sins.,,them go for it!
The NIV does a great job of John 8:24b:
“If you do not believe I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.” (NIV)
And this thought is congruent with
John 13:19 when Jesus said to disciples at the last supper, “I am telling you this before it [his betrayal] happens so that when it does happen you will believe that I am he.”
There is no God Almighty reference here I the least. It would also be very illogical and nonsensical.
Now to rediscover the truth about
John 8:58b again
“Before Abraham was, I am.” (KJV)
Saying “I am” does not make a person God Almighty. The man born blind that Jesus healed was not claiming to be God, and he said “I am the man,” and the Greek reads exactly like Jesus’ statement or usage of “I am.”
Most Bible translators are Trinitarian, and their bias appears in many places in their translation, and this one here is a common one.
Paul also used the same phrase of himself when he said that he wished all men were as “I am” (Acts 26:29). Thus, we conclude that saying “I am” did not make Paul, the man born blind or Christ into God.
Ego eimi [“I am”] is a statement denoting in the strongest terms, it is me and no one else, It is not a special name for YWHW that was invented by Trinitarians.
Here are more examples where ‘ego eimi is used…
“I am he”—Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8; John 13:19; 18:5, 6 and 8. “It is I”—Matt. 14:27; Mark 6:50; John 6:20. “I am the one I claim to be”—John 8:24 and 28.).
At the Last Supper, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said, literally, “Not I am, Lord” (Matt. 26:22 and 25). No one would say that the disciples were trying to deny that they were God because they were using the phrase “Not I am.” The point is this: “I am” was a common way of designating oneself, and it did not mean you were claiming to be God Almighty.
See how ridiculous and foolish these Trinitarians can be? They need to believe in the one and only YWHW and the one son of God, and not trying keep forcing a square in a round and smaller hole.
The argument is made that because Jesus was “before” Abraham, Jesus must have been God. There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” in Abraham’s time. However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the mind of God as God’s plan for the redemption of man.
Verse 56 is accurately translated in the
King James Version, which says: “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.” This verse says that Abraham “saw” the Day of Christ, which is normally considered by theologians to be the day when Christ conquers the earth and sets up his kingdom. That would fit with what the book of Hebrews says about Abraham: “For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God” (Heb. 11:10). Abraham looked for a city that is still future, yet the Bible says Abraham “saw” it. In what sense could Abraham have seen something that was future? Abraham “saw” the Day of Christ because God told him it was coming, and Abraham “saw” it by faith. Although Abraham saw the Day of Christ by faith, that day existed in the mind of God long before Abraham. Thus, in the context of God’s plan existing from the beginning, Christ certainly was “before” Abraham. Christ was the plan of God for man’s redemption long before Abraham lived.
In order for the Trinitarian argument that Jesus’ “I am” statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God’s “I am” statement in Exodus 3:14. However, the two statements are very different. While the Greek phrase in John does mean “I am,” the Hebrew phrase in Exodus actually means “to be” or “to become ”or” I will be what I will be.” In other words God is saying, “I will be what I will be.” Thus the “I am” in Exodus is actually a mistranslation of the Hebrew text, so the fact that Jesus said “I am” did not make him God.
Bless you,
APAK