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Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by John Caldwell, Oct 2, 2019.

  1. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    I know you must know by now that Romans 7 is about those under the law WITHOUT the Spirit, and chapter 8 is what a difference having the Spirit makes. Jesus took away our sin, but in Roman 7:13 they definitely still have their sinful nature. You just won't study the context of Romans 7 to have your eyes opened.

    Galatians doesn't mean we can stay saved if we quench the Spirit, and go back into the flesh like a dog returning to his vomit. No, we are commanded to walk in the Spirit and stay there. If not, we will go to hell as we've apostatized against Christ and chosen to follow after Satan again.
     
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    Giuliano Well-Known Member

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    That works for me. Thanks.
     
  3. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Hello Oz,
    I know what you are saying.
    That section of scripture is very strong.
    In this case...it is unfortunately not accusations but truth.
     
  4. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    You know that that is TOTAL NONSENSE since I quoted from Galatians also. And 1 John confirms what has been posted. Obviously you have no interest in God's truth, just your own imagination.
     
  5. VictoryinJesus

    VictoryinJesus Well-Known Member

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    Genesis 26:19 And Isaac's servants digged in the valley, and found there a well of springing water.
    ^ have you ever studied the names of the different wells there as others strove with them (Esek meaning contention) (Sitnah meaning hatred)..

    Then the “Greater” John 4:11-14 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? [12] Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? [13] Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: [14] But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

    what do you call that? A figure of speech? I‘ve never been good with the definition of metaphors, or figures of speech. why reduce it when He said His words are Spirit. They are Life. (imo)when Jesus Christ said the above in John; He meant He was a “greater” literal well of living water springing up into everlasting life...greater than all the other wells of men. So yes...agree it is literal Land...a “greater” literal land. James 3:17-18 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. [18] And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

    How often does God compare the earthly to heavenly to reveal a Spiritual truth? Yes...planting, sowing, reaping, plowing, ...earth...but also Heaven yielding and producing and gathering. Why disregard the greater revealed?
     
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  6. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    You didn't even quote what I wrote about Galatians. You seem to think I ignored it.

    Enoch, do yourself and your theology a favor and read Romans 7 in CONTEXT. Start with Romans 7:7 and read through Romans 8:9. That is enough context to understand what is as clear as day. You will find it is a contrast of Law vs Spirit, and sin vs freedom from sin. If you can only relate to Romans 7, then you are relating to those under the law who are still slaves to sin. Are you under the Law, or the law of the Spirit of life in Christ that has freed us from the law of sin and death. Romans 7's law IS the law of sin and death. 2 Corinthians 3:7-11 calls the law, the ministry of death. And it is being replaced by the ministry of the Spirit. Read both passages slowly a few times till it sinks in. I really pray you have an epiphany from the Spirit of Truth, and get over thinking Roman 7 is about Christians. It is actually the culmination of Paul's 7 chapter teaching on the law. 6 and 8 introduce Jesus and the Spirit. That 7 is about the Christian struggle is actually a denominational belief that is in gross error for hundreds of years. Context is the key to correct exegesis. Believe me, Spirit-filled Christians do not struggle like that. The problem is many are not taught to seek the power of the Spirit. It is real. But, unfortunately not everyone claiming Christ is born again of the Spirit, and Jesus may say to them, "I never knew you." Enoch, I care about you, and don't want that said to you, because that will only be true of those still in the throws of struggle. The law was our guard only till Jesus. Galatians 3

    Good night, sweet brother!
     
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  7. OzSpen

    OzSpen Well-Known Member

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    Please take it easy in how you respond to people. What you said may have been the truth but I didn't find it stated in compassionate, Christ-like manner.

    Do you know how to express truth with gentleness?
     
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    Interpretation - hermeneutics - is certainly a vital area. It's all about seeing what the Bible really says, rather than what ppl might like to read into the Bible...
     
  9. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Oz....I do.
    Let me say this to you.
    What is happening here is shameful.
    JonC hasbeen doing this for months.
    It is hard for anyone to grasp how a professed Christian can do this.
    He has done it with many others.
    I am just vocal with it,trying to stop it.
    If he iui s not stopped he will just keep going
     
  10. Willie T

    Willie T Heaven Sent Staff Member

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    Oz,
    Let's take your literal "interpretation" of that camel (or "rope" if you prefer) and see if there is not some "stretching" going on.
    I think we can all agree that Jesus merely meant that someone devoted to their riches would have a difficult time coming to totally depend upon, and to trust the Lord for their provision. (thus, not entering into the kingdom)
    But, no matter how you "interpret" the actual words written, no camel (or rope) is going to fit through the eye of a needle.
    So, Jesus was speaking illustratively in metaphoric terms. And to try to grease it up and slide around, using the word, "interpretation" rather than "translation" is really NOT being literal about the words in front of you on the pages of the Bible.
    To a person reading "literally" (which you seem to be trying to circumvent) Jesus said that it is impossible for rich people to get into Heaven. And it is by that sort of Fundamentalist that the accepted meaning is applied..... and you just got through saying that you read passages by the generally accepted way they are usually taken by most people. Are you excluding the "Literalist" Bible reader from that, since "literal" to him and all the other tens of thousands of members of related congregations has never had the slippery esoteric "interpretation" connotation you imply?
    This whole thing is akin to claiming, "Well, the word, "virgin", to me is interpreted...…" (whatever you come up with)
    We do not derive Jesus' intended meaning from just "interpreting" that single passage. We give it meaning because of what we know by reading many other verses throughout the Bible pertaining to the love of money...… so why try to play games with a technical variation you have dug up?
     
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    Hi CL,

    I didn't know that you thought this could be the fate of a born again child of God. Do you truly think the born again can die again?

    Much love!
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    CL is rather confused in her theology. But she does not want Bible truth either.
     
  13. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Of course. Do we need to labor this point? Reading Scripture in its plain literal sense includes the recognition of metaphors, but does not allow one to spiritualize away that which is plainly stated. Just like the description of the New Jerusalem (with which you have a problem).
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Did she tell you that?
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I do. There are enough warnings in the epistles, it would be foolish to think otherwise.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    I look at all the verses of the epistles, and do not pick and choose, or take verses out of context. I've tried to help you, but you have itching ears, and choose smooth talking false teachers and would rather not hear the hard truth.

    cc: @marks
     
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    I find the opposite, that there are so many assurances of the permanence of what God has done for us. Just the same there are many warnings that we mustn't be fooling ourselves thinking we're right with God, born again, if we actually aren't.

    Either way, we look at how we are living, whether we are loving God, loving others, trusting Him, as evidence of what is true for me.

    Much love!
     
  18. CharismaticLady

    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Before I was born again, during 30 years of going to church, I never had an answer to prayer. After I was born again and was empowered by the Spirit to keep his commandments, and obey His voice, all my prayers have been answered. And, yes, there is a verse of assurance in 1 John 3:21-24 that I found recently, and noticed that the sign of assurance is answered prayer. This is totally the opposite of OSAS, where as Luther says, no sin can separate us from God. Baloney! That message of course attracts those with itching ears, who choose false teachers of that doctrine.

    Without holiness, no man shall see God.
     
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    What 'stretching'? Are you speaking metaphorically or literally or allegorically or literally (including metaphors)?:rolleyes:o_O

    I find you confused in your understanding of literal interpretation. I'm not playing games. I'm saying what literal interpretation means. It includes the use of figures of speech that are interpreted as figures of speech.
     
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    My point is still the same, Anthony. If you plan to move towards exposing false doctrine and reconciliation, I recommend you use compassionate mercy, which is what Jesus offers to you and me.
     
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