Somebody's been BRAINWASHED! -- YOU are responsible for your own SOUL, for HEARING FROM GOD, and for being RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR FAMILY, -- NOBODY ELSE. Now we can certainly participate in the Body of Christ, but WE ARE TO JUDGE THEM, not them judge us.
Do you even read the verses I post?
Are you in a CULT? It certainly sounds like it, -- maybe the JW's?
Bobby Jo
Is apostolic succession biblical?
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acys 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
acts 1:26 the apostles make other apostles, apostolic succession!
pease explain how there is old covenant president in the successors of Moses whom Jesus said must be obeyed? MT 23 they have the authority of the keys and the power to bind, this power and authority was given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Mt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 21:17
Not a cult but a covenant, as opposed to your spiritual anarchy!
Unity in the spirit with obedience of faith rom 10, as opposed to your disunity and no obedience!
Teaching of the apostles is now brainwashing? Lk 10:16
CadyandZoe
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Note what Peter says about a perspective candidate to replace Judas?
Acts 1:21-22
Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us— beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us—one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.”
There isn't anyone alive today who meets this qualification.
Bobby Jo
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... then PLEASE don't TEACH! -- Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers. Either they ALL OPERATE or NONE OPERATE. Don't pick and choose, and don't be a hypocrite.
Bobby Jo
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ANYONE who allows others to dictate their life decisions IS IN A CULT.
I'm only in a "covenant". -- Balderdash ...
Bobby Jo
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23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsab′bas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthi′as. 24 And they prayed and said, “Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two thou hast chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place.” 26 And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthi′as; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles.
So how'd THAT turn out?!?
Could it be that they were operating from their own flesh, and not of GOD?
Could it be that YOU are operating from your own flesh, and not of GOD?
Could it be that YOU are operating from your own flesh, and not of GOD?
Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers. Either they ALL OPERATE or NONE OPERATE.
Bobby Jo
CadyandZoe
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The ministry of the Apostle is mediated through their writings and the Holy Spirit. Remember what the Lord told them.... then PLEASE don't TEACH! -- Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers. Either they ALL OPERATE or NONE OPERATE. Don't pick and choose, and don't be a hypocrite.
Bobby Jo
Please consider the following passage.
John 15:26-27
When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
Then consider this passage also.
John 15:12-15
I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.
Here Jesus teaches us that the Spirit of Truth guarantees the inspiration of their writings as the Spirit guides them into all truth.
CadyandZoe
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Paul says that God gave the church apostles, which he pictures as people whom Christ captured. Apostles are people, not offices to be filled. Offices are not taken captive; people are taken captive.
Don't reject one verse in favor of another verse. Consider them both in order to come to the truth.
Bobby Jo
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Really? So EVERY Disciple contributed to the N.T.? -- I must have missed their works. Could you point me to the Books of:
Andrew,
-- No known authorship
Philip,
-- The gospel's title appears at the end of the Coptic manuscript in a colophon; the only connection with Philip the Apostle within the text is that he is the only apostle mentioned (at 73,8). The text proper makes no claim to be from Philip, though the four New Testament gospels make no explicit internal claim of authorship. Most scholars hold a 3rd-century date of composition.
Bartholomew & Thomas
--Jerome, in the prologue to his Commentary on Matthew, mentions a number of apocryphal Gospels -those according to the Egyptians, Thomas, Matthias, Bartholomew, the Twelve, Basilides [not one of the twelve], and Apelles: probably he depends upon Origen, for he himself disliked and avoided apocryphal books, with few exceptions; the Gospel according to the Hebrews, for instance, he hardly reckoned as apocryphal. Of this Gospel of Bartholomew we have no sort of description: we find it condemned in the Gelasian Decree, which may mean either that the compiler of the Decree knew a book of that name, or that he took it on trust from Jerome. In the pseudo-Dionysian writings two sentences are quoted from 'the divine Bartholomew,' and a third has just been brought to light from the kindred 'book of Hierotheus'. But one cannot be sure that these writers are quoting real books.
Simon who was called the Zealot
-- No known authorship
... and
Matthias,
-- The Gospel of Matthias is a lost text from the New Testament apocrypha, ascribed to Matthias, the apostle chosen by lots to replace Judas Iscariot (Acts 1:15–26). The content has been surmised from various descriptions of it in ancient works by church fathers. There is too little evidence to decide whether a Traditions of Matthias is the same work, according to J.B. Matthews, The Anchor Bible Dictionary (IV:644).[1]
So it would appear if your AUTHORSHIP is a prerequisite, then SIX of the original TWELVE Disciples DO NOT QUALIFY AS DISCIPLES. Conversely, it would seem that ANYONE who operates under the Holy Spirit and is given the gift of being an APOSTLE is eligible. But that would go against your church TRADITIONS, so let's throw out Scripture in favor of FALSE DOCTRINES!-- No known authorship
Philip,
-- The gospel's title appears at the end of the Coptic manuscript in a colophon; the only connection with Philip the Apostle within the text is that he is the only apostle mentioned (at 73,8). The text proper makes no claim to be from Philip, though the four New Testament gospels make no explicit internal claim of authorship. Most scholars hold a 3rd-century date of composition.
Bartholomew & Thomas
--Jerome, in the prologue to his Commentary on Matthew, mentions a number of apocryphal Gospels -those according to the Egyptians, Thomas, Matthias, Bartholomew, the Twelve, Basilides [not one of the twelve], and Apelles: probably he depends upon Origen, for he himself disliked and avoided apocryphal books, with few exceptions; the Gospel according to the Hebrews, for instance, he hardly reckoned as apocryphal. Of this Gospel of Bartholomew we have no sort of description: we find it condemned in the Gelasian Decree, which may mean either that the compiler of the Decree knew a book of that name, or that he took it on trust from Jerome. In the pseudo-Dionysian writings two sentences are quoted from 'the divine Bartholomew,' and a third has just been brought to light from the kindred 'book of Hierotheus'. But one cannot be sure that these writers are quoting real books.
Simon who was called the Zealot
-- No known authorship
... and
Matthias,
-- The Gospel of Matthias is a lost text from the New Testament apocrypha, ascribed to Matthias, the apostle chosen by lots to replace Judas Iscariot (Acts 1:15–26). The content has been surmised from various descriptions of it in ancient works by church fathers. There is too little evidence to decide whether a Traditions of Matthias is the same work, according to J.B. Matthews, The Anchor Bible Dictionary (IV:644).[1]
Bobby Jo
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YeshuaFan1
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Apostles of Jesus had to either been with jesus during His ministry, or else like paul and James saw the risen Lord!
Bobby Jo
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FALSE DOCTRINES are based upon MEN'S RULES, not Scripture. And there's NO SHORTAGE OF MEN'S RULES.
Religious VERSUS Christian, -- I'll choose CHRISTIAN.
Bobby Jo
then it’s no longer necessary, but teaching the nations and baptizing the disciples is (mt 28:19) and there are no self-appointed apostles the apostles have authority to make new apostles, no self-appointed pastors or preachers, apostle means one who is sent!
Romans 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
You are a spiritual anarchist, the Christian religion is a covenant, with truth revealed by God Jude 1:3 we must be taught and fed under obedience or there is no salvation!
Bobby Jo
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Bobby Jo
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... ANY PERSON, who's called into that Ministry (APOSTLE), including people that AREN'T called, but SEEK that Service:
1 Cor. 14:1 Make love your aim, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
... as opposed to being content as an Evangelist, or Teacher, or Pastor, or Apostle. But whatever you do, MOST EARNESTLY desire to FOLLOW FALSE CHURCH DOCTRINES over Scripture. -- [Yeah, NOT.]
So many silly religious people, and so few that know the TRUTH of Scripture!
Bobby Jo
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Church doctrine is biblical, there are no spiritual calls to be apostles, no self-anointed or self-appointed apostles apostle means to be sent, rom 10:15
Bobby Jo
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That's 50% Hogwash IN ANY DENOMINATION, and I can flip a coin with the same odds.
But if you like believing LIES, -- you might be well suited attending religious organizations.
Bobby Jo
... and because you didn't "Reply" to anyone in particular, -- I can only GUESS that you were addressing me, and it's another coin toss for that ...
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