Is God outside of time?

[michaelvpardo]

Where does scripture say God could change the past if he wanted to? These are the kinds of lies that creep into the church and cause divisions among believers. There is no such teaching in the scripture.

That is just amplifying your lies. Do you have any scripture to back up your lies?

Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Why would I cut you?
God already had people write how his creation runs...

9 Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. 10 Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. 11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:9-11

 

[Saint of God]

So it may not be changing the fact that he died...

Therefore your claim is false.He did not change the past

but, even so, should we limit God by saying He cannot do something because we cannot do it and/or because we cannot conceive of the possibility?

Another false claim. You are assuming that someone said God could not do something. You are the one making the claim that God changed the past and provided bogus support.

Is not God limited by His own Word? Using the authority He gave to us, do we not limit Him when we choose our way instead of His?

This argument has nothing to do with time or God changing the past. You were using out of context passages to support your false claims. Now you're using illogical reasoning.

"...And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

This passage has nothing to do with time or God changing the past. It has everything to do with you using out-of-context passages to support your false claims... Can God lie?
Hebrews 6:18
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

 

[Saint of God]

Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Is this an accusation...? Please show where I made a false witness against someone... I am not afraid to apologize or repent if your accusation is true.

 

[Saint of God]

9 Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. 10 Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. 11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:9-11

seems like you are trying to say I hate someone. Be an adult and make your claim. don't hide behind scripture verses.

 

[Saint of God]

I noticed that you skipped the first day in your post.

My reference had to do with water above the earth.

That's because there was no time before the first day.

There was no sun and there was no man...

Tell me is the earth flat and square because scripture refers to its corners? Or are the stars all smaller than the sun?

The scripture does not refer to it as a ball, does it?
Genesis 1:16
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
No mention of sizes...

If you're Christian why don't you love Jesus Christ and keep His commandments?

God did not call me to be a christian. Did God call you to be a christian? I love Jesus and I keep his commandments...Please show me where God or Jesus called you or commanded you to be a christian in the scripture.

 

[ScottA]

Wait a minute!

(Pun intended)

When did the sun start revolving around the earth??

 

[amadeus]

Therefore your claim is false.He did not change the past

Another false claim. You are assuming that someone said God could not do something. You are the one making the claim that God changed the past and provided bogus support.

This argument has nothing to do with time or God changing the past. You were using out of context passages to support your false claims. Now you're using illogical reasoning.


This passage has nothing to do with time or God changing the past. It has everything to do with you using out-of-context passages to support your false claims... Can God lie?
Hebrews 6:18
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

Do you have any real friends among those with whom you disagree?

Do you always have all of the correct answers to every question so that anyone who might disagree must be wrong?

You seem to have no need or desire to discuss. So, I leave to your own inclinations.

Communication or the lack thereof!

 

[Saint of God]

Do you have any real friends among those with whom you disagree?

I did not join this forum to make friends

Do you always have all of the correct answers to every question so that anyone who might disagree must be wrong?

The scripture has all the correct answers...

You seem to have no need or desire to discuss. So, I leave to your own inclinations.

Communication or the lack thereof!

You are the one leaving the discussion. Therefore, you are the one who has no need or desire to discuss.

 

[Saint of God]

Wait a minute!

(Pun intended)

When did the sun start revolving around the earth??

Your pun is intended to assume that someone said the sun is revolving around the earth, If someone did say that, then ask that person

 

[amadeus]

I did not join this forum to make friends

Did come to teach and to learn or only the former?

The scripture has all the correct answers...

The scripture certainly contains all of the answers from God that a man may need in his course here, but without the lead of the Holy Spirit what can he understand of what he reads?

You are the one leaving the discussion. Therefore, you are the one who has no need or desire to discuss.

Correction...I am not leaving a discussion, but a lecture. There is a difference, but communication is often a problem among men.

I admittedly do not have all of God's answers even though I talk with Him and study my Bibles daily. He still has things left to teach me. Long ago I learned to go back regularly to the lowest room and allow God to lift me up if it was His will to do so. Sometimes He uses other men to do it.

 

[Saint of God]

Did come to teach and to learn or only the former?

Both... how about you?

The scripture certainly contains all of the answers from God that a man may need in his course here, but without the lead of the Holy Spirit what can he understand of what he reads?

based on what are you claiming, any person is without the HS?

Correction...I am not leaving a discussion, but a lecture. There is a difference, but communication is often a problem among men.

since you are saying that I am lecturing then you must also agree that your posts are being reprove

I admittedly do not have all of God's answers even though I talk with Him and study my Bibles daily. He still has things left to teach me. Long ago I learned to go back regularly to the lowest room and allow God to lift me up if it was His will to do so. Sometimes He uses other men to do it.

Am I not another man?

 

[amadeus]

Both... how about you?
based on what are you claiming, any person is without the HS?

since you are saying that I am lecturing then you must also agree that your posts are being reprove
Am I not another man?

Love the truth! What should we do?

 

[ScottA]

Your pun is intended to assume that someone said the sun is revolving around the earth, If someone did say that, then ask that person

It's an honest mistake

Time is measured by the sun's movement.

All time is, is the sun revolving around the earth.

The sun moves in the sky.

Time is the name given to the divided segments from the movement of the sun,

The movement of the sun is what men use to quantify time.

God created the sun... we assume time from the movement of the sun.

This is just foolishness. a year is a measurement of a number of days which is a measurement of the rotation of the sun...

Time is a concept we use to measure the rotation of the sun.

 

[quietthinker]

Is God outside of time?
He visited and promised to return.....with a human body!
Who of us can get their head around that?......does it redefine sacrifice?

 

[Saint of God]

It's an honest mistake

So then rectify it by asking Mantis. Or read Psalms 19...

 

[Saint of God]

Is God outside of time?
He visited and promised to return.....with a human body!
Who of us can get their head around that?......does it redefine sacrifice?

Where is that written in the scripture?

 

[Saint of God]

wr

Love the truth! What should we do?

Write the truth and speak the truth.

 

[quietthinker]

Where is that written in the scripture?

The beginning of Acts should fill you in on those details.

 

[ScottA]

So then rectify it by asking Mantis. Or read Psalms 19...

I've quoted you both.