Is it possible to get past the lies?

[Grailhunter]

If you are worthy! …..…. Hey I am Grailhunter…….is that a surprise?

But it is the truth…..and the truth can be startling!...most people are too hard headed…..to close minded …..or to lazy to care about the Truth…..or they are just to set in their ways. Beliefs, Truths, Facts

Where would we be if the people that would have been the Apostles and disciples and followers of Christ had that attitude. “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.”

I call my ministry the “Johnny Appleseed of Truth” and in church that is what I do….plant seeds of truth….by asking questions….usually. Of course here I try to explain by discussing it….debating it. It is up to you to follow up and check it out. It is not my ministry to persuade people, just tell the truth, from there it is up to them and God. SEEDS, As Christ said, some seeds will fall on hard ground and others on fertile ground.

Now some of the topics are complex but I am pretty good at explaining complex topics in simple terms. The topic at hand is that while you were asleep someone snuck in and planted a bunch of lies in Christianity.

We can do this the long way and teach everyone how to be a theologians or we can expose the lies and toss them in the trash. That alone is a giant step towards the truth.

So after the Bible was written and after time passed there were people that had personal beliefs that were not in the Bible but they wanted people to believe as they did. So they promoted slogans and buzzwords to insert their beliefs into Christianity. The problem is that nearly 100% of these slogans and buzzwords are not in the Bible and are false beliefs. If what they were promoting was the truth some of these slogans and buzzwords would be in the Bible. Men improving on the scriptures? I think not.

I do not have to get into the complicated topics to clear 90% of this up. Some of these are completely wrong and others are partially right. The promotion of these theological slogans and buzzwords over the years are not too much unlike advertising in general….”Nationwide is on your side or M’m M’m Good! M'm! M'm! Good! That’s what Campbell soup is! M'm! M'm! Good!”

The way it works is that the word is promoted or promulgated, and the “name” of the word will have some connection to the Bible, but the definitions are either partially wrong or completely wrong. As in advertising, a lie has to have a little mud mixed into it to get it to stick to the wall. And the best way for you to learn, is to dig deep to prove me horribly wrong.

The first word is Trinity
Most know that this word is not in the Bible. And it was not only promulgated but was a decree of the Roman Council of Nicaea, a doctrine that was enforced by threat of excommunication which usually led to death. And the people behind this did not necessarily believe it either. The story behind the story; Emperor Constantine demanded that the council define one religion. This is what the Roman Catholic Church was all about….

Constantine believed that for Christianity to be true, it had to be one truth. So the doctrine of the Trinity was set in place to stop the arguments, even among the various Bishops at the council, they could not agree on the seemingly different characters of God the Father and God the Son and what role the Holy Spirit played. Who was superior? Was Yeshua the real Son of God or a manifestation of God set in Miriam's womb? Was Yeshua a human or a God? Which God did what? Even if some of the things that Yahweh had done in the Old Testament was evil?

So the one God formula was produced, indicating they were all one person and everything was done by all of them. One person, one character, equal authority, and all things done by all of them. End of arguing or die. The concept of the Trinity is not wrong, it is the commonly understood definition that is wrong….The one God formula for the Trinity is a lie.

The truth is; 3
Yahweh…God the Father….Supreme God….Creator God….Creator of Heaven and Earth and Adam and Eve.

Yeshua….God the Son….Savior….Messiah

The unnamed God….the Holy Spirit….guide…. nurturer …. strengthener… communicator….and teacher. Teacher of many things through the centuries.

Trinity….tri-unty…..not triune. Unity…accord….alliance. They are a family. But not one….separate wills, separate minds, separate presence, separate thrones, and separate authority with a hierarchy. All three are full-fledged Gods. The Trinity can be seen as a Godhead.

In Grailhunter’s Corner I have around 200 scriptural reasons why the one God formula is wrong.
Grailhunter’s Corner

Original Sin
Pretty much the doctrine of a mad man. You would have to study St. Augustine writings to appreciate that statement. The short of it, he had absolutely no control of his sexual behavior and his drinking habits and he figured no one else did either. A lot of his religious efforts focused on dealing with and understanding his own issues. Kind of like a person that becomes a psychiatrist to figure out why they are crazy.

Augustine was never married but had several sexual relationships and had an illegitimate child. After the point that he concluded humans could not control their sexual desires, his solution was to be celibate and not enter into any relationship with a female. He more or less isolated himself in the church community. He blamed his woes on the sin passed on by Adam… through sexual contact…kind of like a venereal disease. Babies born with sin….if they die….they go to hell. John Calvin was also a supporter of this….and also that God is an evil puppet master that denied mankind free will and controls their every thought and action….And this is going to be the tread….false beliefs coming from corrupt people.

St. Augustine was well educated and a prolific writer. I called him a mad man but his issues were not of the mind, but more along the lines of reasoning and emotional issues, issues that he was unable to control. His reasoning capacities were quite imaginative but were mostly abstract, not connected to reality.

St. Augustine was heavily influenced by Christoplatonism, a term used to refer to the Christian reflection of a dualistic philosophy of the Greek philosopher Plato, which holds that the spirit is good but matter is evil, and guess what? We are matter. This religious philosophy which is Pagan influenced some of the Christian churches, and is in direct contradiction of the teachings of the Bible and thus through the centuries had received constant criticism from many teachers in the Christian Church.

St. Augustine refrained from baptism thinking that a person needed to obtain a level of perfection, before being baptized. And he believed that people should not get baptized until they were basically on there death bed. Which is exactly what he did. Thinking that this was the best way to enter Judgment Day free of sin. And of course to even get close to perfection he believed a person would have to be celibate and have little or no contact with women. Because…..

On the topic of sexual desire...“Who can control this when its appetite is aroused? No one! In the very movement of this appetite, then, it has no ‘mode’ that responds to the decisions of the will. But when those who delight in this pleasure are not moved to it at their own will, whether they confine themselves to lawful or transgress to a unlawful pleasures; but sometimes this lust importunes them in spite of themselves, and sometimes fails them when they desire to feel it, so that though lust rages in the mind, it stirs not in the body Written by St. Augustine

“We must conclude, that a husband is meant to rule over his wife as the spirit rules over the flesh. and “the flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh.” Written by St. Augustine

Referring to the Hell that awaits women, Augustine in his famous Latin sermon ''Ad Fratres in Eremitate Sermo LXIX.'' He describes how Satan seized the damned female and commanded his fellow devils to “pierce her eyes with forks as she enjoyed looking at unclean things, pierce her mouth as she used them for blasphemy, pierce her heart, as she did not harbor piety, compassion, clemency, and forgiveness there, pierce her hands with the heavy fork forged in Hell since she reached with them at things unclean and did not use them to distribute alms and help her neighbors, use the fiery forks to pierce her legs that she used to dance and meet her lovers.' Then to the gates of Hell she is carried and then '"out steps a hideous, horrible dragon, always ready to devour sinners. The dragon inserts the female into his mouth, full of stench. After chewing and digesting its prey, the dragon vomits the female into a fiery lake, where millions of other sinners wait for their trial by our Lord." Written by St. Augustine

The concept of perfection was one of St. Augustine’s intellectual failures. Even in the abstract it can only exist in the imagination. In reality the attempt for human perfection is a fool's folly. In fact, the need, the plan, and the application of salvation, even the purpose of Christ’s crucifixion was and is for the imperfect. My motto, be good and do good to the best of your ability.

 

[Grailhunter]

Virgin Mary
The phrase Virgin Mary does not appear in the Bible nor does the Bible suggest that she remained a virgin after Christ’s birth. Nor does it suggest that she did not join with Joseph after Christ’s birth LOL She was his wife. Perpetual virginity? Why was that promoted? One reason was the very negative Christian view on sex. The genitals were dirty and nasty and full of sin. So Yahweh having sex with Miriam was not going to be tolerated, and Yeshua passing through the birth canal and genitals of a female was not going to be tolerated….more or less the belief that Christ was beamed in and out of the womb.

The other reason, Yahweh impregnated Miriam while she was betrothed to Joseph, according to the Mosaic Law that was adultery and unlike the sons of God, He did not marry her…that is two violations. So they were attempting to distract from that, and all of this was a controversy at the time. Then there is the concept of purity at the time…the belief that sex makes you impure. So ridicules! For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh and they will forever be impure. Because what I made is dirty, nasty, and sinful and is of the devil…..NO that is not what He said.

Be fruitful and multiply was the only command that Yahweh kept repeating throughout the Old Testament….and multiplication of descendants was a common promise.
They changed a few things too.

Why don’t we call the mother of Christ by her name….Miriam. They may not have liked her name. She was named after the older sister of Moses and Aaron and she chastised Moses for marrying a pagan woman. Her name means rebellion or bitterness…

But I love Miriam very much. Saved me and about a dozen other’s in Iraq. Met her and talked with her, she is real. Unbelievably incredible. But she is not a virgin….impregnated by Yahweh….pretty good sized…..

Immaculate Conception of Miriam. This Catholic phrase does not appear in the Bible. Once again, it was promoted because of the belief that sex caused a person to be impure and then there is also the belief of Original Sin that they wanted to insulate Miriam from.

Mother of God.
This phrase does not appear in the Bible and it goes along with the one God formula of the Trinity. Concept based on the fact that she was the mother of Yeshua and then the false belief that there is only one God….so Mother of God

Fornication
A 5th century deception that made its way into some Bibles. After the close of the biblical era Christianity developed some very negative views of sex and women. The early Christian writers reflected a lot of that. The scriptures use various Greek words to designate different types of sexual immorality, variations of the word porneia, but the scriptures do not indicate two single people having sex as a sin, unless it is casual sex. The definition of the word fornication encompasses all the specific Greek words for sexual sins and then included the belief that two people having sex is a sin. Which is contrary to both the scriptures and history, because that is how they coupled up to form a marriage. And that was how it was done for a long time after the biblical era. No requirement in the Bible, anywhere for a wedding ceremony. It was the Protestants that first required a wedding ceremony in the 1500’s which was soon followed by a civil law. Of course I agree with the need for wedding ceremonies completely. But if a couple has sex before the wedding it is not a sin. But then again and of course adultery, prostitution, or any other form of casual sex is a sin. But we do not need the word fornication to explain that. If the scriptures are translated correctly using the Greek words, it is more descriptive and accurate anyway.

Sodomy
The word does not appear in the scriptures. Another promoted concept and meaning. Of course its biblical connection is to Sodom and Gomorrah and the sexual sins thereof and I imagine that there was a lot. But its definition has come to mean any sexual activity that is not the missionary position and orifice. Even between married couples. That is false.

Years ago there were states that made anything put the missionary position illegal. LOL

Wedding ceremonies
The Bible, the scriptures, do not indicate a requirement for wedding ceremonies. A lot of good information here...but for some it can be shocking. But easy to verify....You can try to find a requirement in the Bible for a wedding ceremony, and you will not. You can look into the historical information to verify when wedding ceremonies were first required. You can check on Jewish history and that will verify this too. This fact…this fact is both biblical and historical. As I said the sexual union was what formed their marriages and that was the way it was for centuries after the biblical period. Why? One of the reasons is that all wedding ceremonies originate from Pagan sources. But as Paul Harvey use to say; Stay tuned for the rest of the story.

The Israelites / Jews did not have wedding ceremonies in the Old Testament. No word in the Hebrew language for wed or wedding. That does not mean that they did not celebrate marriages….and that is another story.

But eventually the Jews did develop wedding ceremonies. The time of Jewish weddings; The Persian conquest of Babylonia is in the Bible and the Jews found themselves under the friendly rule of the Persians. The Persians did have wedding ceremonies and they were elaborate, beautiful, and could go on for days. It seems that the Jews liked these weddings and developed wedding ceremonies of their own…not as a requirement but as an option. But they did not adopt the Persian weddings as a template for their weddings. They came up with their own and it was based on the Old Testament, events and figures. This seems to be reflected in modern Jewish weddings. This was probably an in between the testaments event.

But then Alexander the Great conquered Persia and they treated the Jews horribly…. Atrocities!…. Thousands died in grotesque spectacles and when the Romans took over they continued the abuse….thousands and thousands of Jews were crucified in every despicable manner. So needless to say the Jews hated them….

So they looked back on their history….they had lost their kingdom and the 1st Temple and for centuries were under the rule of Pagans. There is a phrase in the scriptures that says at times that Yahweh had sold them into the hands of their enemies...It appears more than once in the Old Testament but here is an example; The anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and He gave them into the hands of plunderers who plundered them; and He sold them into the hands of their enemies around them, so that they could no longer stand before their enemies. Judges 2:14

So they came to think that the reason for their demise was being too tolerant of the Pagans. And this was particularly true after the 69-70 AD siege that destroyed the 2nd Temple and Jerusalem…. thousands crucified in a ring around the city wall as a gruesome display and tens of thousands killed. So they tried to separate themselves from all that, and the Jewish Weddings fell under the axe…not gone, just not popular. It took centuries for the Jewish Wedding to reappear.

Regardless during the New Testament period there were probably a few Jewish weddings. The Wedding in Cana may have been one, but we do not know that. When Christ spoke of the ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom and the wedding feast….it is this Jewish Wedding ceremony that He is talking about. Because you will not find any of that in the Old Testament.

So in the Old and New Testament marriages were consummated by the union. Now in the 1st century there are a lot of Jewish-Christians but after the siege of Jerusalem, a lot of Jewish-Christians were killed. By the end of the 2nd century the Gentile-Christians were firmly at the helm….so some of their customs from different regions started to show up in Christianity. As time went on some of these customs were Christianized. Wedding ceremonies and vows were some of these customs. They were modeled approximately after the Roman weddings and still are today.

Weddings were not a church thing…early writers do not mention a need for wedding ceremonies….the 4th century Ecumenical Councils and later do not mention a need or a requirement for wedding ceremonies. In fact they did have a lot of good things to say about marriage. I am not saying that Christians were not performing ceremonies, I think they were, but the first documented Christian wedding ceremony occurred in the 9th century. The Catholic Church’s views on women, marriage, and wedding ceremonies was just weird, complicated and generally negative.

“..marriage is a crime against God, because it changed the state of virginity that God gave every man and woman at birth....Marriage is a prostitution of the members of Christ, and married people ought to blush at the state in which they live.” Written by St. Ambrose

“I don’t see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes procreation. If woman is not given to man for help in bearing

 

[Grailhunter]

children, for what help could she be? To till the earth together? If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for man. The same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for life and conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman cohabitate?”
Written by St. Augustine De Genesi ad literam (The Literal Meaning of Genesis) 9.5.9

”And do you not know that you are (each) an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert—that is, death—even the Son of God had to die. And do you think about adorning yourself over and above your tunics of skins?” Written by Tertullian

Do you imagine that we approve of any sexual intercourse except for the procreation of children? . . .He who is too ardent a lover of his own wife is an adulterer [of his God and wife].
St. Jerome, against Jovinianus, Book 1, Section 20, 40, A.D. 393: “

Like I said the Catholic Church’s views on women, marriage, and wedding ceremonies was just weird, complicated and generally negative. And this did not just start with the Catholic Church and it got a lot worse.

But the Protestants had a more positive view of marriage and sex… maybe not women… LOL But they saw the validity of marriage, so they mandated a requirement for wedding ceremonies and vows in the mid 1500’s and the Catholics, I guess they felt they had to follow suit shortly after, but only recognized Catholic weddings…..of course.

The need for weddings was among many things taught to Christians by the Holy Spirit after the biblical era.

Lucifer
The word is not in the actual scriptures. Isaiah chapter 14, verse 12 was rephrased and replaced the actual verse. The whole intent was to insert the word Lucifer ..... in some Bibles. The word is Latin and it is female. The word is Latin for Venus the planet…for Venus the morning star ….for Venus the light bearer and Venus the Greco-Roman goddess, but it has nothing to do with Satan. If you read chapters 13 and 14 in Isaiah you will see that the topic is about the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar.

So why would St Jerome use the word Lucifer in the Vulgate Bible and why would earlier translations pull a Latin word from the Vulgate to use in English Bibles…. We can speculate….it sounds sinister….they had issues with Satan not being better described as the devil in the Old Testament. But there is a reason for that....The Israelites / Jews of the Old Testament did not believe in a devil and still do not believe in a devil today. Of course Satan is defined as the devil in the New Testament, which is true. Now tracking when that happened, how it happened, and why, is more difficult.

Star of the Nativity
This phrase does not appear in the scriptures. The scriptures do not indicate the star was ever over the Nativity, actually the scriptures indicate that the star traveled to Yeshua’s home in Nazareth, as much as a year later.

Wise men
The scriptures do not call the Magi wise men. The phrase wise men is used to replace the word Magi in earlier translations of the Bible…the Geveva Bible and the KJV Bible to name a few. Why? Probably they did not like what the word Magi because it means….witches … sorcerers.

The phrases of Tulip…Calvinism
Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the saints.
Of course these phrases do not appear in the scriptures and they are a deception of John Calvin.

Once Save, Always Saved
Not a phrase that appears in the scriptures and it is strictly a false belief. Our walk with Christ is a journey of free will and faith. It is up to us to be true to Christ and live our lives like Christians and in the end our destination will be decided on Judgment Day….it is not decided on the day you are baptized… that is the beginning of the journey….and we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

And if you notice a lot of these words are connected to sex in a negative way. This is no mystery. As time went on, it appears that the Christian leaders did not think the Bible was negative enough toward sex and women …..so they introduced words and phrases and even a book.

The Catholic Church came up with a torture manual…basically for women, to torture their more “naked tender parts” The Malleus Maleficarum directed Church driven atrocities…. the witch-hunts and inquisitions. This manual was published with 14 editions between 1486 and 1520, and at least 16 other editions between 1574 and 1669. All and all an attempt to demonize, condemn, and punish what God had designed from the beginning.

The other side of this are the man-made sins and there are many. So much so that it can turn a Christian’s life into a minefield of sins and fake sins which effectively distract from the real sins. One can easily step on a real sin trying to avoid a fake sin. Beside the fact that fake sins can cause real sins by condemning others over fake sins. And what these man made sins and the words and phrases were all about…was an attempt to cause an alternate morality through condemnation.

At times I have discussed the “don’t doers” religious aspect of Christianity. Our “rightness with God” defined by what we do not do. So much so that Good Deeds are considered irrelevant. Well we need to consider what we do and what we should do. The Bible by no means is a romance love manual. The churches do little to give instruction on romantic relationships because they are hung up on preaching sex as sinful. The parents! LOL Do not look forward to explaining the birds and bees to their children….and the schools are all too happy to teach perversions. So is it any wonder that young people are doing the wrong things?

Why should we refrain from sex until the appropriate time? The answer is both religious and logical. God designed sex and desires ...to attract men and women to each other....no sin there in His design. The purpose of sex and desires and love is to bond a man and a woman together in a relationship that produces a family...."making babies" As God said, Be fruitful and multiply...But couples should not have sex until their relationship has advanced to the point that they have decided to remain a couple for the rest of their lives. Children deserve to have parents that love each other and remain together to raise them. Love is the key.

This is the reason that churches and the parents should be addressing romantic relationships in a positive way and in a constructive way. And they have to do it early, because society is ready to pounce on the young people with every perversion imaginable. The churches and parents should not be focusing on sin and what not to do. Because romantic relationships are not sinful. They need to focus on conduct and what to do. What is respect? What are respectful interactions? What is love? What does that look like? How do you show love and respect? Courtesy…manners… consideration and etiquette. How should a Christian couple conduct themselves in public and in private?

Christians are pressed to do this early because the world is standing by to show them sexual images before they should be exposed to that. Sexual stimulation is not for children. And it is hard to insulate them from that because you almost would have to put them in a closet. So we have to address it early. We have to explain to them that there are evil people that want to lead them the wrong way. And part of this is raising them in a church community….more than just going to church but active in church functions and plays and picnics and Bible Camp. Keep them busy with Christianity.

And as I said we need to explain to them how to conduct themselves in romantic relationships. And when that should start….I think that unchaperoned dates should not start until they are out of High School….but now a days that is almost considered child abuse. Keep in mind that dating was never an option in the Bible and did not become common until the advent of the automobile…..not a good thing. How many people were conceived in the backseat of a Chevy?

I realize there are false beliefs that people want to believe and have believed for a long time. Old habits die hard. But no matter how you cut it, a religion of truths is better than a religion of false beliefs. So I have to stress that this is not my opinion….You are free to research this yourself….if you are interested in truth. Feel free to try to prove me wrong….have your ducks in a row.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Believe the eternal living Word of God and ignore the silly, evil ideas and opinions of little men!!

 

[Enoch111]

Trinity….tri-unty…..not triune. Unity…accord….alliance. They are a family. But not one….separate wills, separate minds, separate presence, separate thrones, and separate authority with a hierarchy. All three are full-fledged Gods. The Trinity can be seen as a Godhead.

Your last sentence is true, but you have nullified it in the rest of that paragraph. You say "but not one" and then then you say "The Trinity can be seen as a Godhead". Since the Godhead is one, "but not one" means that you are contradicting that. So let's make this really simple -- there is one true God, eternally existence as three divine persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are not three separate "Gods" as you claim "All three are full-fledged Gods".

And this has nothing to do with Augustine or anyone else.

 

[Grailhunter]

Your last sentence is true, but you have nullified it in the rest of that paragraph. You say "but not one" and then then you say "The Trinity can be seen as a Godhead". Since the Godhead is one, "but not one" means that you are contradicting that. So let's make this really simple -- there is one true God, eternally existence as three divine persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are not three separate "Gods" as you claim "All three are full-fledged Gods".

And this has nothing to do with Augustine or anyone else.

I disagree
And I have nearly 200 scriptural ways to prove it wrong. But if it make you feel good....have a blast.

 

[GISMYS_7]

This Truth should not be beyond most thinking believers== The one true Almighty God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit = the One true Almighty God.

 

[Grailhunter]

This Truth should not be beyond most thinking believers== The one true Almighty God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit = the One true Almighty God.

The oneness concept was explained by Christ Himself and it has nothing to do with the number 1, in fact it applies to millions and millions of Christians and growing.

 

[Enoch111]

I disagree

What exactly do you disagree with? That there is a triune Godhead, or that there is ONE God eternally existent as three divine persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? One does not need 200 references. Just 2 or 3.

 

[Grailhunter]

What exactly do you disagree with? That there is a triune Godhead, or that there is ONE God eternally existent as three divine persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? One does not need 200 references. Just 2 or 3.

Your last sentence is true, but you have nullified it in the rest of that paragraph. You say "but not one" and then then you say "The Trinity can be seen as a Godhead". Since the Godhead is one, "but not one" means that you are contradicting that. So let's make this really simple -- there is one true God, eternally existence as three divine persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are not three separate "Gods" as you claim "All three are full-fledged Gods".

I disagree with pretty much everything above
The truth is; 3
Yahweh…God the Father….Supreme God….Creator God….Creator of Heaven and Earth and Adam and Eve.

Yeshua….God the Son….Savior….Messiah

The unnamed God….the Holy Spirit….guide…. nurturer …. strengthener… communicator….and teacher. Teacher of many things through the centuries.

Trinity….tri-unty…..not triune. Unity…accord….alliance. They are a family. But not one….separate wills, separate minds, separate presence, separate thrones, and separate authority with a hierarchy. All three are full-fledged Gods. The Trinity can be seen as a Godhead.

In Grailhunter’s Corner I have around 200 scriptural reasons why the one God formula is wrong.
Grailhunter’s Corner

Godhead.....Three Gods in agreement.....You can still call it the Trinity....Trin = 3 ity = unity.

So let's make this really simple -- there is one Godhead, eternally existing as three divine persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are three separate "Gods" on there separate thrones that are full fledged Gods. With separate wills, separate minds, separate presence, separate thrones, and separate authority with a hierarchy. All three are full-fledged Gods.

Definition of Godhead....
Godhead (or godhood) refers to the essence or substance (ousia) of the Christian Gods, especially as existing in three persons — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

If Augustine wrote about the Trinity.....I forgot it.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Why would YOU deny what the Word of God says..........?

Is.1410-13 ( context ) KJB
12/13.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, SON of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground,which didst weaken the nation's!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, " I WILL EXHALT MY THRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGRETATION, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm,

 

[Grailhunter]

Why would YOU deny what the Word of God says..........?

Is.1410-13 ( context ) KJB
12/13.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, SON of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground,which didst weaken the nation's!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, " I WILL EXHALT MY TGRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD: I WILL SIT ALSO UPON TGE MOUNT OF THE CONGRETATION,IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm,

The last thing the King James is, is the word of God. It has so many errors that it can be its own religion.
Just basic common sense....this has deceived so many. Is it a sin? How do think a Latin word could be in a Hebrew text? Come on man! Brain on! I have explained this in simple terms and I just do not get why you do not understand. I deal with this all the time, people just do not think.

Here is the correct translation of that verse.....
“How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! Isaiah 14:12

The morning star is the planet Venus....star of the morning. The Latin name is Lucifer. These people will not even recognize God the Father's name and God the Son's name.....yet they suck in a Latin word just because it sounds sinister. All you have to do is be interested enough to read the chapters and you would know that it is about a Babylonian king. What is it about that people cannot read the Bible. If you don't you are inclined to swallow hook, line and sinker every deception there is!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

My Isiah 14: says ....O Lucifer, SON of the morning!

Which I have been studying from for over 46 yrs.

What in the world makes YOU think I will believe YOU over the word of God under the leadership of The Holy Spirit.

Be careful to check whom your master is !
With an avatar like Grailhunter maybe you've bought into Dan Brown's stupidity, that sells books and makes movies.

 

[Grailhunter]

My Isiah 14: says ....O Lucifer, SON of the morning!

Which I have been studying from for over 46 yrs.

What in the world makes YOU think I will believe YOU over the word of God under the leadership of The Holy Spirit.

Be careful to check whom your master is !
With an avatar like Grailhunter maybe you've bought into Dan Brown's stupidity, that sells books and makes movies.

The King James has so many errors that it could form its own religion.
Lucifer is a Latin word.....impossible to be in the Hebrew.
You say study for 46 years? LOL So reading does not do you any good....LOL...OH MY.
If you could read and you read those chapters you would know that they are about a Babylonian king.

But I am not going to call you stupid.
Just slow down and study more and get a real Bible or this sort of thing is going to happen to you all the time! Maybe you should get a real Bible first....LOL

 

[amigo de christo]

many have turned quickly aside from the pages of the KJV . Declaring the works of wicked men like hort and others as good in their eyes .
This is very dangerous . Very deadly indeed .

 

[Grailhunter]

many have turned quickly aside from the pages of the KJV . Declaring the works of wicked men like hort and others as good in their eyes .
This is very dangerous . Very deadly indeed .

It is what it is....the KJV is definitely an inaccurate Bible....next to the Geneva Bible the most inaccurate in print.....and some people, are inclined to embrace false beliefs.... Is it more exciting?....a little more tickle to the ear! Some would migrate to a Bible and beliefs that would give them more ammo to condemn others with. Our souls are important so truth should be important to us.

 

[amigo de christo]

It is what it is....the KJV is definitely an inaccurate Bible....next to the Geneva Bible the most inaccurate in print.....and some people, are inclined to embrace false beliefs.... Is it more exciting?....a little more tickle to the ear! Some would migrate to a Bible and beliefs that would give them more ammo to condemn others with. Our souls are important so truth should be important to us.

Yes those two bibles sure do expose more evil and folks dont like that one little bit .
Others tend to gravitate to more wordly versions which are more suitable to their taste .
Warning folks aint condemning folks , but allowing folks to feel safe in sin , one who does so is a partaker of their sins .
We cant close an eye to evil or the appearance of said evil .
Flee ALL appearance of evil . Focus on that which is holy , that which is well pleasing to GOD .

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes those two bibles sure do expose more evil and folks dont like that one little bit .
Others tend to gravitate to more wordly versions which are more suitable to their taste .
Warning folks aint condemning folks , but allowing folks to feel safe in sin , one who does so is a partaker of their sins .
We cant close an eye to evil or the appearance of said evil .
Flee ALL appearance of evil . Focus on that which is holy , that which is well pleasing to GOD .

No one that is knowledgeable of the biblical languages would ever endorse the KJV.

The last thing it is, is the Word of God.

Like I said, the KJV is so error ridden that it could be its own religion....separate from Christianity.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

The King James has so many errors that it could form its own religion.
Lucifer is a Latin word.....impossible to be in the Hebrew.
You say study for 46 years? LOL So reading does not do you any good....LOL...OH MY.
If you could read and you read those chapters you would know that they are about a Babylonian king.

But I am not going to call you stupid.
Just slow down and study more and get a real Bible or this sort of thing is going to happen to you all the time! Maybe you should get a real Bible first....LOL

As Dorothys Aunty Em said in the WOZ to the one whom becomes the witch...........I would like to tell you EXACTLY what I think about your post but well being a believing woman.......I can't!


That doesn't mean the Spirit can't unless you've gone tooooooo far into your delusions you are some kind of gifted teacher.....lol

 

[Grailhunter]

As Dorothys Aunty Em said in the WOZ to the one whom becomes the witch...........I would like to tell you EXACTLY what I think about your post but well being a believing woman.......I can't!


That doesn't mean the Spirit can't unless you've gone tooooooo far into your delusions you are some kind of gifted teacher.....lol

LOL What I have said in those posts is the truth and not my opinion. Seek the truth. All you have to do is check it out yourself.
If you prefer a religion of false beliefs and lies.....You are in the land of religious freedom....have a good day.