Michiah-Imla
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The sin here is apostacy, denying the faith you supposedly had believed.
No, the sin here is willfull sin of any sort.
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The sin here is apostacy, denying the faith you supposedly had believed.
why don’t you stick to what we were discussing to begin withGet back with me when you can honestly keep up with what I posted.
No, that’s twisting johns wordYou should put the verse in context, EG.
The complete scripture you quoted from says this in connection to salvation. Those who deny the need of salvation claiming to have no sin to need atonement for are the ones deceived.
Those who confess their sins can rightly claim to have no sin after the cleansing that Christ’s blood provides.
1 John 1:8-10 KJV
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
lol a believer sins willfully everyday.
No, that’s twisting johns word
Again, there is a difference between willful sin and sin without knowledge, and the Scriptures confirm it. The Saints of God do not willfully sin, but sinners do.
John 5
[14] Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
So I take it king david, and abraham, and yes even peter were not saints? Since all commited willful sin (peter having to be called out by Paul)The may be believers, but they're not Saints; and it's the Saints who go marching in, not sinners -- whether believers or not.
1 John 3
[7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
He states they can not habitually continue in sin.John plainly states later in 1 John (3:9) that a believer does not commit sin. And if that believer’s previous sins have been taken away by Christ, then that believer has no sin as a result.
No, it is the sin of unbeliefNo, the sin here is willfull sin of any sort.
So I take it king david, and abraham, and yes even peter were not saints? Since all commited willful sin (peter having to be called out by Paul)
so you excuse your sin?
that’s good to know
No, it is the sin of unbelief
yes reallyReally?
Romans 6:12 KJV
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
A professing Christian who sins every day is essentially disobeying God everyday. This is not the truth according to the scriptures.
Not Those Christ died for, they have been delivered from the penalty of sin ! Heb 9:12Don't you know that surrendering to sin equals death?
James 1
[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
He states they can not habitually continue in sin.
if a believe could never sin again, then we would be perfect the moment we were saved, and there would be no growing pains,
Not Those Christ died for, they have been delivered from the penalty of sin ! Heb 9:12
lol this passage has to do with the physical nation of israel, nothing to do with Salvation through Christ, you way out of context !
Enduring to the end requires obedience to be saved. What's more, it is written to work out your Salvation with fear and trembling. It's a process.
Philippians 2
[12] Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
lol a believer sins willfully everyday.
no i dont, you just think i do. You oppose the accomplishment of the death of Christ though !You oppose the Scriptures.