IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

[David in NJ]

The believing remnant of Israel were in Christ
Calling the readers priests and a holy nation identifies them as Israel

Who is the author of the scriptures?

 

[Doug]

So Peter was confirming in his letter that the Gospel that was preached to them, by Silvanus, was the true Gospel, i.e. Peter was writing to Christians, and Christians are members of the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12:12,27 (WEB):

The verses dont detail what exactly was preached in 2 Cor 1:19....they all preached Jesus as the Son of God....Paul had fellow laborers from the remnant of Israel as well

 

[Doug]

Who is the author of the scriptures?

The Holy Ghost

 

[Doug]

There is no division of the body of Christ, we are all equal in Christ. Remember Galatians 3:28 (WEB):

(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

Yes but the remnant of Israel that Peter was writing to are not in the body of Christ and neither was Peter........they were persecuted by Paul before his conversion....they are the church of God formed before the body of Christ was formed thru Paul

 

[Doug]

Who is the author of the scriptures?

Was there something more about this question?

 

[David in NJ]

The Holy Ghost

GREAT

We both believe the Truth that God authored the Holy Scriptures by the Holy Spirit who guided chosen men what to write down for us to know the Way of Salvation.

Therefore, what the Holy Spirit wrote thru the Apostle Peter is congruent with all whom the FATHER is calling to CHRIST.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. - Galatians 3:26-29

 

[David in NJ]

Was there something more about this question?

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[rebuilder 454]

How can you believe Jesus returns a third time?
We read about the rapture that it's the second time

There is no 3rd time Jesus comes.

Theses are the rapture verses
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1 Thess 4

The Comfort of Christ’s Coming​

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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He will come again a second time, there is nothing about He will come again a third time.
All eschatology in 1 and 2 Thessalonians is about a second coming, never a third.
Yet to believe in this pretrib rapture event, you must think a third time he is coming at the end to destroy Satan.

2 Thess 2 is the one and only return of Christ, Him coming a second time
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Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Since at this coming Christ destroys the evil creature, this which people consider antichrist man of sin, then it must by consistency be after the tribulation.
Unless you force a third coming of Christ, you have to agree with me on this, and scripture too.

Don't live in a fantasy world, hold to what scripture teaches us.

Really?
Acts one
Rev 14
Mat 24
Mat 25
The 7 letters of rev
The last supper dialogue
1 thes 4
The escape verse by Jesus.
You say those verses are fantasy?

 

[David in NJ]

Really?
Acts one
Rev 14
Mat 24
Mat 25
The 7 letters of rev
The last supper dialogue
1 thes 4
The escape verse by Jesus.
You say those verses are fantasy?

No "3rd" Comings of the LORD are prophesied in the scriptures you referenced.

Your Mission shoul you accept the Path of Truth:
Find the OT prophecy(s) and in the Gospel and from the Apostles of THREE Comings of MESSIAH who is the LORD

Shalom my Brother in Christ

 

[rebuilder 454]

I am saying you ascribed Galatians 3:28 to those Peter wrote to.....you are saying he wrote to Christians made of Jews and Gentiles who now were made one.......You cant pull what Paul says about the body of Christ and apply it to Peter's letter.....Peter wrote to the believing remnant of Israel church which is not the body of Christ

Man that is so bogus.

That hyper Pauline doctrine is really sacrilegious heresy.

Jesus is neutered
James is neutered
Peter neutered
Book of Rev neutered.

Sick men invented that doctrine.
It is a nasty mess.

 

[Doug]

Therefore, what the Holy Spirit wrote thru the Apostle Peter is congruent with all whom the FATHER is calling to CHRIST.

We are called to believe Paul's gospel today both Jew and Gentile, that does not negate that Peter was given a different gospel to preach and an apostleship to Israel

 

[Scott Downey]

No "3rd" Comings of the LORD are prophesied in the scriptures you referenced.

Your Mission shoul you accept the Path of Truth:
Find the OT prophecy(s) and in the Gospel and from the Apostles of THREE Comings of MESSIAH who is the LORD

Shalom my Brother in Christ

Agree. Only a second coming is in the scriptures. All the coming of the Lord Jesus are the second, never a third fourth, etc. The Day of Chris the Lord is the Day of the Lord in which He comes as a thief on the unbeliving world. But we are not of the night or darkness that this Day should come on us unawares.

 

[rebuilder 454]

No "3rd" Comings of the LORD are prophesied in the scriptures you referenced.

Your Mission shoul you accept the Path of Truth:
Find the OT prophecy(s) and in the Gospel and from the Apostles of THREE Comings of MESSIAH who is the LORD

Shalom my Brother in Christ

Just keep believing all those verses I posted are not relevant.


Jesus gave 2 comings in mat 24..
Too bad you totally missed Jesus words.
So as usual you have said nothing at all.

In Rev 19 he comes in power and great glory with the saints who arealteady in heaven, while you ascribe the church raptured AHEAD OF REV 14 GATHERING DURING THE TRIB.

AS always you are totally wrong and just parroting WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING..

Your doctrine skips the romans 11 REGATHERING of the Jews.
ONLY PRETRIB RAPTURE has that component.
Try and find a path of truth.
Trusting in church fathers produced the catholic heretics
The same exact source you trust for truth.

Go to a catholic site.
They sound EXACTLY like postribs.Complete with the fluff and filler of DARBY DARBY DARBY.
I just shake my head at all that reliance on men for their error, then accuse and ascribe "DARBY" As if they did something.
(Same source for their truth)

 

[David in NJ]

We are called to believe Paul's gospel today both Jew and Gentile, that does not negate that Peter was given a different gospel to preach and an apostleship to Israel

Let us examine this more closely.

Where in Peter's writings does he exclude Blood Washed Gentile believers?

 

[rebuilder 454]

We are called to believe Paul's gospel today both Jew and Gentile, that does not negate that Peter was given a different gospel to preach and an apostleship to Israel

More garbage.
Peter 100% knew the gospel

Men have taught you heresy.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Agree. Only a second coming is in the scriptures. All the coming of the Lord Jesus are the second, never a third fourth, etc. The Day of Chris the Lord is the Day of the Lord in which He comes as a thief on the unbeliving world. But we are not of the night or darkness that this Day should come on us unawares.

Mat 25
Rev 14.

You have no case at all
I will go with scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

Just keep believing all those verses I posted are not relevant.


Jesus gave 2 comings in mat 24..
Too bad you totally missed Jesus words.
So as usual you have said nothing at all.

In Rev 19 he comes in power and great glory with the saints who arealteady in heaven, while you ascribe the church raptured AHEAD OF REV 14 GATHERING DURING THE TRIB.

AS always you are totally wrong and just parroting WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING..

Your doctrine skips the romans 11 REGATHERING of the Jews.
ONLY PRETRIB RAPTURE has that component.
Try and find a path of truth.
Trusting in church fathers produced the catholic heretics
The same exact source you trust for truth.

Go to a catholic site.
They sound EXACTLY like postribs.Complete with the fluff and filler of DARBY DARBY DARBY.
I just shake my head at all that reliance on men for their error, then accuse and ascribe "DARBY" As if they did something.
(Same source for their truth)

Jesus gave 2 comings in mat 24..

OK - Let us begin in Matt ch24 - point out the two separate 'comings' that you claim JESUS spoke of

 

[rebuilder 454]

Agree. Only a second coming is in the scriptures. All the coming of the Lord Jesus are the second, never a third fourth, etc. The Day of Chris the Lord is the Day of the Lord in which He comes as a thief on the unbeliving world. But we are not of the night or darkness that this Day should come on us unawares.

The " one coming" dynamic is debunked solidly.

 

[Doug]

Let us examine this more closely.

Where in Peter's writings does he exclude Blood Washed Gentile believers?

 

[rebuilder 454]

OK - Let us begin in Matt ch24 - point out the two separate 'comings' that you claim JESUS spoke of

Jesus said "before the flood, one taken, one left"
BEFORE THE FLOOD.

JESUS said BEFORE THE FLOOD BE READY.

JESUS SAID ONE TAKEN ONE LEFT. Before the flood
Ahem..... 50% of that group taken

ALL postribs are forced to ascribe that group of those taken to the world's population.

I just shake my head at them trying to make the planet half saved and half righteous.
How can you do that to the bible???????


It is devastating to what you believe.
I just blew your theory into orbit and all postribs are unaware of what I just did.