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  1. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    I am saying that Many Christians value their conspiracy theories more than their faith in God
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    yes, but to suggest that mistakes are in any way rampant in the reproduction of Scripture is a fool's errand, i think. I tell you that even atheist epigraphers do not debate the accuracy of Scriptural copies of the original languages, it just isnt even done seriously. Ten minutes on the web looking for one would show
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    It would be a DISCIPLINARY matter - not a doctrinal one.

    Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
     
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    ah, you knw, i wonder if "faith in God" really even applies to most ppl who ID as Christian tbh...maybe as a noun. As much as i might like to imagine that my faith is a verb, it keeps turning into a noun, anyway...ha.
     
  5. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Well, when you fail to have faith in the world around you, can you have faith in God?
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    ah, well, "world" you are maybe meaning diff than i am hearing, dunno, so i have to say i dont really get the connection in the two, imo i'm not supposed to have any faith in the world?
     
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    Grams Well-Known Member

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    Yes Amadeus,
    I agree on that !
    And now we have a bible to read, no more prayer book.
    I kept it for a year or two and then just got rid [prayer book] of it last year.
    It is sure nice reading the bible these day's........
    And I still want to get my girl friend out of that church.
     
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    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    When you say “We” – do you have a mouse in your pocket?

    MOST people around here don’t agree with your bizarre man-made theology - so I’m not sure who “We” is, Einstein . . .
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Just stay close to God yourself Grams. Praise His name!
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    And I should believe YOU?

    How about proving it.
    Thanks.
     
  11. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Yeah as long as you don’t have a prayer book you can sing those repetitive worship songs until Armageddon!
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    Giving the body and blood to someone IN MORTAL SIN is a discipline?
     
  13. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    I think it falls on the person receiving the Eucharist to determine whether they should be receiving it or not. They can do so by committing to prayer and reconciliation

    Personally, one of my frustration with some Bishops/Priests is when they decide the condition of a person’s heart and relationship with God and make the decision for people
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    bb
    This will cover all 3 of your posts to me since they deal with the same idea.

    I didn't say there are conflicts in the N.T.
    There are some conflicts but they're unimportant.

    What I'm saying is that we do not have the exact words of Jesus.
    There was a member on another forum that stuck to every word in the N.T. as if God wrote the book Himself.

    This is NOT what inspired means.

    I really don't want to discuss this any further because I've noticed that some don't even understand what I'm saying.
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    This was true for the O.T.
    This was not true for the N.T.
     
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    A, it has nothing to do with prayer and reconciliation.

    Don't you understand? There can be no reconciliation if they are remarried.
    Because they are LIVING in CONSTANT MORTAL SIN.

    The ONLY condition existing is that they'd have to be living as brother and sister. (this is how the church calls it).

    With the NEW rules, remarrieds can be living a normal life AND STILL RECEIVE COMMUNION.

    This is a change in DOCTRINE.

    Those that cannot accept the fact that the church has made a change in DOCTRINE, insist that it is ONLY disciplinary.

    I was involved in many discussion about this with the church....
    there would be no reason for so many to be so upset if this were only a matter of discipline.
    I could post links and links on this.
    If you notice BreadofLife has posted one page, and nothing from the Vatican.


    I would like to remind you that I'm no longer catholic.
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    @aspen

    Here, just in case you don't believe me.

    Reconciliation in the sacrament of Penance which would open the way to the Eucharist, can only be granted to those who, repenting of having broken the sign of the Covenant and of fidelity to Christ, are sincerely ready to undertake a way of life that is no longer in contradiction to the indissolubility of marriage. This means, in practice, that when, for serious reasons, such as for example the children's upbringing, a man and a woman cannot satisfy the obligation to separate, they "take on themselves the duty to live in complete continence, that is, by abstinence from the acts proper to married couples."

    source: Pope Francis on the Divorced and Remarried: 10 Things to Know and Share
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Oops...I am guilty of jumping into a conversation that I did not read completely before commenting - sorry about that.

    Yes, you are making the same argument as many people who are conservative and do not like the current Pope. It is a legitimate POV. Personally, I love the current Pope and I know that doctrine develops over time. Some Catholics like to point out that doctrine develops when it suits their argument and then deny it when it doesn’t,
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    LOL
    Agreed! About the doctrine part.
    This conversation has nothing to do with this Pope.

    @BreadOfLife insisted that it is not possible for the church to make a change in doctrine.
    THIS IS A CHANGE IN DOCTRINE. (emphasis...I never yell).

    Now he says it's a change in discipline.
    Is giving the body and blood to a person in CONTINUOUS MORTAL SIN a discipline!!
    I think not.

    If Pope Francis is going to allow remarrieds to receive communion while they live together as husband and wife....this is an important change in catholic doctrine...which states that a person in mortal sin cannot receive communion.

    A discipline would be
    How many times a day communion can be received
    How long before receiving can one eat/or take medicine with water
    The age for first communion...
    and other such matters of SMALL IMPORTANCE.
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    @aspen
    A, I hate to beat a dead horse,
    but this is a good article on why Amoris Laetitia caused such an uproar with is still raging.

    It is a MORAL question and all moral questions must go through the Magesterium, as I'm sure you know. It is a question of FAITH since Jesus declared that marriage in indissoluable.

    Unfortunately for me, I had to know about this inside out, before it happened, as it was happening, and finally after it happened.

    I'm pretty much out of the picture now.

    Five Serious Problems with Chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia – Catholic World Report
     
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