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QUOTE]which military/intelligence arm is the Jesuit Order.[/QUOTE]
So the Roman Catholics set up a "special Order of Priests"? And "those special Order of Priest have a particular MISSION" ?
Why do I care what the Roman Catholics did And particularly, according to you?
They were NOT a military unit.
The guy with the IDEA of proposal for a "special Order of Priests", himself, personally Was a Roman Catholic, with a military background. He did not propose a "military Order of Roman Catholics...to the Pope".
If one is so inclined to KNOW precisely what was proposed to the Pope, read the individuals proposal.
If one is so inclined to KNOW what the Pope agreed to, read THAT Popes own declaration of agreement.
If you have access to Neither, Read what this "special Group of Roman Priests" were called, and WHAT an "individual" Roman Catholic HAD TO DO, to become "recognized as a Jesuit Priest"...(it wasn't a simply declaration, and usually not obtained by the individual for YEARS, before a confirmation for one to have that title), and then Research what "INDIVIDUAL" Jesuit Priests DID....and what you WOULD FIND, is their PRIMARY WORK, was Establishing "missionaries, schools, colleges, universities, libraries".....SPECIFIC to Catholic Teachings....
And WHEN, SOME Jusuit Priests HAD NO OBJECTION, to "such established, colleges, universities, etc.) INCLUDING OTHER religious teachings......FUTURE elected/appointed Popes, DID OBJECT and CRITICIZED particular Jesuit Priests, for INCLUDING "other religious teachings", IN places "established" (colleges, universities, etc.) BY Jesuit Priests.
THE OBJECTION of the "newer Popes" CAUSED, "Certain Jesuit Priests" the Popes criticism....AND Caused PARTICULAR Nations, with Strict adherence TO THE POPE....to LIMIT "colleges and universities, etc"...TO EXPRESSLY Catholic Teaching..
SOME counties, Enforced the LIMITS...such as England, France Spain for example....However NOT ALL countries Enforced the LIMITS...such as the US.
Thus ANY institution of education, set up by a Jesuit Priest in the US, was NOT LIMITED to Roman Catholic Doctrine Only. And ANY person, Roman Catholic, Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, Islam, WHATEVER, could ENROLL and ATTENT "Jusiut Priest's" "Established" learning institutions...without BEING exclusively ROMAN CATHOLIC ADHERENTS.
Any STUDENT of such institution certainly would be introduced to some Catholic Doctrine, but DOES NOT MEAN, they had to, or did Become a Catholic.
...which military/intelligence arm is the Jesuit Order....
That would be naive to say no.
Naive to say no? You mean, native to not agree with you, because YOU say so?
Provide the FACTS, that every Jesuit Priest, was a military personal and their mission was to establish "out posts", or place of some sort to train others in military knowledge, on behalf of the Roman Catholic Church.
(But his "proof" texts simply are no proof at all).
Jack's Educational Background "proves" nothing revealing he attended or was trained in Jesuit Priests teachings, military, or otherwise.
Why are you concerned about defending Jack?
Well, that's the thing. The ONLY thing that makes this whole conversation about Jack, is his name appearing in the OP. And some people's ideas to "proclaim" Jacks teaching "COMES from him being subjected to others' teaching and him adopting the others teaching."
Personally, I do not care WHO the individual person is...(here on this post it just happens to be Jack)...
And there happens to be a COUPLE of People MAKING CLAIMS "FOR JACK", that NONE of the People making those claims, can PROVIDE ONE IOTA of JACK himself making those claims, ABOUT himself.
FOR Example....you, me, another person could CLAIM for themselves..."belief that Jesus was a Prophet"....
And when another third party comes along and say....ooooh, aahaaa...y'all must be MUSLIMS, or Islamic adherents, or on the level with Muslims, or in tight with the Muslims.........because that is what THEY PREACH. For sure, for sure, y'all MUST have gotten your Belief from Muslims, because THEY have taught that for a LONG time.
Ya, Well, I would STAND UP AGAINST those third party claimants also.
You call it a DEFENCE. I call it standing up against what is NOT RIGHT.
How about you concern yourself with contending for "the faith once delivered to the saints"
How about noticing, I do STAND UP for what IS RIGHT IN CHRIST.....
I can not MAKE you notice. But I can challenge you for claiming THAT IS WHAT I NEED TO DO....when it is already been revealed, that IS WHAT I DO.
which was Protestant Historicism, not Jesuit Futurism.
WAIT...Your favor is NAME TAGS....not my favorite thing. You are dictating, whom I should stand for and whom I should stand against.
Jesus' Preaching...THAT I choose to stand WITH....is that I stand in Agreement WITH, and IN God, and IN Christ Jesus...and stand with ISRAEL.
Jesus mentioned nothing to me ABOUT, Protestants or Catholics or Jesuits.
And I do not search out Protestants or Catholics or Jesuits TO FOLLOW, or TO BE my teachers.
Some names serve an important purpose.
Sure "names" serve a purpose....DIVISION.
I call Bread of Life "Dead Bread"
That is your perrogrative. However the TERM "Bread of Life", Specifically refers to Christ Jesus.
John 6
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35] And Jesus said unto them, I am the
bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
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48] I am that
bread of life.
Thus, I would Disagree with you.
because I want everyone to be constantly reminded that there is absolutely no power whatsoever in the "Eucharist", though the church turned millions over to the state for execution because they refused to acknowledge the catholic church's claim that it had such power.
Again, I would disagree with your "BeCAUSE of reasoning", not being in agreement with Scripture.
Nor would i agree with what the "state" did.
And there you can refer back to the particular states (nations) that also rejected Jesuit Priests, and anyone else, who disagree with the Pope....who was WITHIN those particular states (nations) jurisdiction, for them to ACT according to "their states laws", to kill people who would NOT yield to the states position of religious doctrine.
Clarified in another post that I don't mean he's Jesuit, but that he preaches a Jesuit doctrine.
Jack claims to PREACH BIBLICAL DOCTRINE...
Why are not his own claims sufficient? Why associate him with Jesuit Priests?
Would you want others to associate you with Muslims or the Qur'an, as your source, your agreement, Because both you and a muslim can agree Jesus was a Prophet?
Would it really be necessary or truthful to associate you with "THEM", because you have a common point of agreement?
Do mean to tell me that as a fan of Impe,
First of all, Why are YOU declaring me a "FAN" of Jack's? Did I say that? No.
So why are YOU saying that FOR ME?
you've never heard his "proof" texts for his Jesuit doctrine? Good gravy, his "proof" for a future 7 year tribulation is to transport the last Week of Daniel's 70 to the end of time...that's textbook Jesuit Francisco Ribera!
I have heard Jack's preaching on occasion.
I've watched Golf, fishing, Baptists, Catholics, Cooking, on occasion too...doesn't make me a FAN of any of those things.
IF Jack were "using PROOF TEXTS" of Jesuit Doctrinal Texts.......I would EXPECT Jack to MENTION a Jesuit's Doctrinal Texts....but, Truthfully, I have ONLY Heard Jack mention, Biblical Doctrinal Texts as his Sources.
It is comical to me...that people decide hey, the ONLY ones to have this revelation to a Seven Year Tribulation....was Jesuit Priests...
And ANYONE who believes in a Seven Year Tribulation Period....surely must have learned that or be somehow connected to Jesuit Priests.....
To heck with the individual person claiming "their" source is Biblical Scripture...
Personally I believe there WILL Be a Great Tribulation Period of TIME, that has not been, So great, since the great flood. I also believe, the time of the great flood, and times of its length was revealed in Scripture. I also believe there SHALL be a Specific Great Tribulation and it's TIME length revealed....
According to Biblical Scripture....regardless if others believed the same and taught it and have a "special" title attached to their "identity"! It doesn't make them, my source, or them my teachers.
To IMPLY otherwise is fraud, which is the same fraud being perpetuated upon Jack.
I do not care, WHO the person is....I do not agree with Fraud being perpetuated upon anyone...friend or foe.
Glory to God,
Taken