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1 Corinthians 10:9

“We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents”

This verse is a clear quotation from the Old Testament passage in Numbers, where it reads:

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

In this passage in Numbers, it is clear that the children of Israel complained against “'ĕlôhı̂ym”. It then goes on to say, that “Yehôvâh” sent “fiery serpents among the people”, that killed many.

In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul, writing under the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, says that this “Yehôvâh” in Numbers 21:6, is Jesus Christ. Because of this clear Testimony to the Deity of The Lord Jesus Christ, where He is without any doubt called YHWH, the Eternal, Unchanging, Creator God, that some tried to corrupt the reading in the Corinthians text, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses have done in their version, in John 1:1, and other places. Instead of the reading “Christos”, we have in some of the modern versions, “Theos [God]”, and “Kurios [Lord]”, neither of which assert the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the reading “Christos”, does.

In their Emphatic Diaglott, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who published it in 1942, have in the Greek text, “Christos”, and the English under it, “the Anointed”. Though in the English translation in the right column, it has “the Lord”, which is theological, rather than what the Greek says. Interestingly, in the cross-reference, it has the passage from Numbers 21, thereby they affirm the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Greek says, “Christos”. The Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, reads “Christ”.

The textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading “Christos”, in 1 Corinthians 10:9. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Letter of Paul, from around A.D. 200, the the Chester Beatty Papyri, P46. Before this time, we have the evidence of the Greek Church fathers, Irenaeus, who was born about A.D. 140; and Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Then, Origen (185-254), who was a heretic and denied that Jesus Christ is God; Eusebius (260-340). From the Latin Church, we have, Ambrose, Bishp of Malan (339-97), Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (354-430), both who knew Greek and used the Greek New Testament. Then, we also the the Syriac father, Ephraem (306-373), who came from Edessa.

Of the English Versions that have the reading “Christos”, we have the, King James Version, New King James, Darby, Douay, New Living Translation, 21st Century King James, Webster, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, Common English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Today’s New International Version, New International Version, and the English Standard Version.

Of the older English Versions, we have “Christos”, in Wycliffe (1385), Tyndale (1526), Coverdale (1535), Great (1539), Bishop’s (1568), Geneva (1587).

In Jude 5 there is a very interesting reading that is found in the English Standard Version:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe”

Instead of “the Lord”, we have “Jesus”, which has the far better textual evidence.

The oldest Greek manuscript for the Letter of Jude, the Papyri Manuscript, known as P72, dating from between 200-250 A.D., reads: “Theos Christos” (God Christ). A similar reading can be found in Colossians 2:2, "Theou Christou" (of God Christ), and can be found as early as around A.D.200, in the Greek Papyri Manuscript, know as Chester Beatty, P46. Of the later Greek Manuscripts, we have the codices, Vaticanus, of the 4th century, and Alexandrinus, of the 5th. The support of the Ancient Versions, the Latin Vulgate, which is of the 4th century. The Coptic (Egyptian) Sahidic Version, 4th. The Armenian Version, 5th. Ethopic Version, about the 5th. The Church fathers who knew of the reading "Jesus", were, Didymus, "the blind", (A.D.313-398); Cyril of Alexandris (died 444); who were both of the Greek Church. Then, of the Latin Church we have, Jerome, who was responsible for the Latin Vulgate (342-420); John Cassian (360-435), and Bede (673-735). Even the heretic, Origen (185-354), knew of this reading. The witness of Origen is important, in that it represents a very early date for this reading, in the Greek text.

In the Book of Judges, chaprer 6, verses 8-10, we read:

“Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘I brought you up from Egypt and brought you out of the house of bondage; and I delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians and out of the hand of all who oppressed you, and drove them out before you and gave you their land. Also I said to you, “I am the LORD your God; do not fear the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.” But you have not obeyed My voice.’”

Yet, in chapter 2, verses 1-2, it says:

"Then the Angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’” So it was, when the Angel of the LORD spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept."

There are some who argue, that for Jesus Christ to be called “Elohim”, or “Theos”, does not mean that He is The Creator God, because these words are used also for created beings in the Holy Bible. This is true, but they are also used 1000’s of times for The One True God!. However, in these passages from 1 Corinthians and Jude, we have clear evidence, when compared to the Old Testament, that Jesus Christ is very clearly called Yahweh. This Great Name of Almighty God, is NEVER used for any created being. It is also very clear, that the Person Who Spoke with Moses in the Burning Bush in Exodus chapter 3, is identified as “And the Angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush” (verse 2). In verse 4 we read of this “Angel of the Lord”, “And when Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, Elohim called unto him out of the midst of the bush”. Who identifies Himself as: “Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God”. This same “Angel of the Lord”, tells Moses, that He IS, “’Ehyeh ’ăsher ’ehyeh”, which is, “I AM WHO I AM”.

Only those who are enemies of the Holy Bible, and the Truth that it Teaches, can deny that It very explicitly Teaches, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH, The Eternal, Uncreated, Unchanging, Creator God.
 

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1 Corinthians 10:9

“We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents”

This verse is a clear quotation from the Old Testament passage in Numbers, where it reads:

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

In this passage in Numbers, it is clear that the children of Israel complained against “'ĕlôhı̂ym”. It then goes on to say, that “Yehôvâh” sent “fiery serpents among the people”, that killed many.

In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul, writing under the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, says that this “Yehôvâh” in Numbers 21:6, is Jesus Christ. Because of this clear Testimony to the Deity of The Lord Jesus Christ, where He is without any doubt called YHWH, the Eternal, Unchanging, Creator God, that some tried to corrupt the reading in the Corinthians text, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses have done in their version, in John 1:1, and other places. Instead of the reading “Christos”, we have in some of the modern versions, “Theos [God]”, and “Kurios [Lord]”, neither of which assert the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the reading “Christos”, does.

In their Emphatic Diaglott, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who published it in 1942, have in the Greek text, “Christos”, and the English under it, “the Anointed”. Though in the English translation in the right column, it has “the Lord”, which is theological, rather than what the Greek says. Interestingly, in the cross-reference, it has the passage from Numbers 21, thereby they affirm the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Greek says, “Christos”. The Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, reads “Christ”.

The textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading “Christos”, in 1 Corinthians 10:9. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Letter of Paul, from around A.D. 200, the the Chester Beatty Papyri, P46. Before this time, we have the evidence of the Greek Church fathers, Irenaeus, who was born about A.D. 140; and Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Then, Origen (185-254), who was a heretic and denied that Jesus Christ is God; Eusebius (260-340). From the Latin Church, we have, Ambrose, Bishp of Malan (339-97), Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (354-430), both who knew Greek and used the Greek New Testament. Then, we also the the Syriac father, Ephraem (306-373), who came from Edessa.

Of the English Versions that have the reading “Christos”, we have the, King James Version, New King James, Darby, Douay, New Living Translation, 21st Century King James, Webster, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, Common English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Today’s New International Version, New International Version, and the English Standard Version.

Of the older English Versions, we have “Christos”, in Wycliffe (1385), Tyndale (1526), Coverdale (1535), Great (1539), Bishop’s (1568), Geneva (1587).

In Jude 5 there is a very interesting reading that is found in the English Standard Version:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe”

Instead of “the Lord”, we have “Jesus”, which has the far better textual evidence.

The oldest Greek manuscript for the Letter of Jude, the Papyri Manuscript, known as P72, dating from between 200-250 A.D., reads: “Theos Christos” (God Christ). A similar reading can be found in Colossians 2:2, "Theou Christou" (of God Christ), and can be found as early as around A.D.200, in the Greek Papyri Manuscript, know as Chester Beatty, P46. Of the later Greek Manuscripts, we have the codices, Vaticanus, of the 4th century, and Alexandrinus, of the 5th. The support of the Ancient Versions, the Latin Vulgate, which is of the 4th century. The Coptic (Egyptian) Sahidic Version, 4th. The Armenian Version, 5th. Ethopic Version, about the 5th. The Church fathers who knew of the reading "Jesus", were, Didymus, "the blind", (A.D.313-398); Cyril of Alexandris (died 444); who were both of the Greek Church. Then, of the Latin Church we have, Jerome, who was responsible for the Latin Vulgate (342-420); John Cassian (360-435), and Bede (673-735). Even the heretic, Origen (185-354), knew of this reading. The witness of Origen is important, in that it represents a very early date for this reading, in the Greek text.

In the Book of Judges, chaprer 6, verses 8-10, we read:

“Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘I brought you up from Egypt and brought you out of the house of bondage; and I delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians and out of the hand of all who oppressed you, and drove them out before you and gave you their land. Also I said to you, “I am the LORD your God; do not fear the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.” But you have not obeyed My voice.’”

Yet, in chapter 2, verses 1-2, it says:

"Then the Angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’” So it was, when the Angel of the LORD spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept."

There are some who argue, that for Jesus Christ to be called “Elohim”, or “Theos”, does not mean that He is The Creator God, because these words are used also for created beings in the Holy Bible. This is true, but they are also used 1000’s of times for The One True God!. However, in these passages from 1 Corinthians and Jude, we have clear evidence, when compared to the Old Testament, that Jesus Christ is very clearly called Yahweh. This Great Name of Almighty God, is NEVER used for any created being. It is also very clear, that the Person Who Spoke with Moses in the Burning Bush in Exodus chapter 3, is identified as “And the Angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush” (verse 2). In verse 4 we read of this “Angel of the Lord”, “And when Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, Elohim called unto him out of the midst of the bush”. Who identifies Himself as: “Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God”. This same “Angel of the Lord”, tells Moses, that He IS, “’Ehyeh ’ăsher ’ehyeh”, which is, “I AM WHO I AM”.

Only those who are enemies of the Holy Bible, and the Truth that it Teaches, can deny that It very explicitly Teaches, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH, The Eternal, Uncreated, Unchanging, Creator God.
You think my feelings care about your facts?
Your puny evidence cannot penetrate my thoughts!
I've already made my mind up!
Just see if you can change my mind!
Hah!

No, but, seriously, 1 Peter 1:11 also calls the Spirit of God the Spirit of Christ.
 

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1 Corinthians 10:9

“We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents”

This verse is a clear quotation from the Old Testament passage in Numbers, where it reads:

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

In this passage in Numbers, it is clear that the children of Israel complained against “'ĕlôhı̂ym”. It then goes on to say, that “Yehôvâh” sent “fiery serpents among the people”, that killed many.

In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul, writing under the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, says that this “Yehôvâh” in Numbers 21:6, is Jesus Christ. Because of this clear Testimony to the Deity of The Lord Jesus Christ, where He is without any doubt called YHWH, the Eternal, Unchanging, Creator God, that some tried to corrupt the reading in the Corinthians text, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses have done in their version, in John 1:1, and other places. Instead of the reading “Christos”, we have in some of the modern versions, “Theos [God]”, and “Kurios [Lord]”, neither of which assert the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the reading “Christos”, does.

In their Emphatic Diaglott, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who published it in 1942, have in the Greek text, “Christos”, and the English under it, “the Anointed”. Though in the English translation in the right column, it has “the Lord”, which is theological, rather than what the Greek says. Interestingly, in the cross-reference, it has the passage from Numbers 21, thereby they affirm the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Greek says, “Christos”. The Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, reads “Christ”.

The textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading “Christos”, in 1 Corinthians 10:9. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Letter of Paul, from around A.D. 200, the the Chester Beatty Papyri, P46. Before this time, we have the evidence of the Greek Church fathers, Irenaeus, who was born about A.D. 140; and Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Then, Origen (185-254), who was a heretic and denied that Jesus Christ is God; Eusebius (260-340). From the Latin Church, we have, Ambrose, Bishp of Malan (339-97), Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (354-430), both who knew Greek and used the Greek New Testament. Then, we also the the Syriac father, Ephraem (306-373), who came from Edessa.

Of the English Versions that have the reading “Christos”, we have the, King James Version, New King James, Darby, Douay, New Living Translation, 21st Century King James, Webster, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, Common English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Today’s New International Version, New International Version, and the English Standard Version.

Of the older English Versions, we have “Christos”, in Wycliffe (1385), Tyndale (1526), Coverdale (1535), Great (1539), Bishop’s (1568), Geneva (1587).

In Jude 5 there is a very interesting reading that is found in the English Standard Version:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe”

Instead of “the Lord”, we have “Jesus”, which has the far better textual evidence.

The oldest Greek manuscript for the Letter of Jude, the Papyri Manuscript, known as P72, dating from between 200-250 A.D., reads: “Theos Christos” (God Christ). A similar reading can be found in Colossians 2:2, "Theou Christou" (of God Christ), and can be found as early as around A.D.200, in the Greek Papyri Manuscript, know as Chester Beatty, P46. Of the later Greek Manuscripts, we have the codices, Vaticanus, of the 4th century, and Alexandrinus, of the 5th. The support of the Ancient Versions, the Latin Vulgate, which is of the 4th century. The Coptic (Egyptian) Sahidic Version, 4th. The Armenian Version, 5th. Ethopic Version, about the 5th. The Church fathers who knew of the reading "Jesus", were, Didymus, "the blind", (A.D.313-398); Cyril of Alexandris (died 444); who were both of the Greek Church. Then, of the Latin Church we have, Jerome, who was responsible for the Latin Vulgate (342-420); John Cassian (360-435), and Bede (673-735). Even the heretic, Origen (185-354), knew of this reading. The witness of Origen is important, in that it represents a very early date for this reading, in the Greek text.

In the Book of Judges, chaprer 6, verses 8-10, we read:

“Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘I brought you up from Egypt and brought you out of the house of bondage; and I delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians and out of the hand of all who oppressed you, and drove them out before you and gave you their land. Also I said to you, “I am the LORD your God; do not fear the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.” But you have not obeyed My voice.’”

Yet, in chapter 2, verses 1-2, it says:

"Then the Angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’” So it was, when the Angel of the LORD spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept."

There are some who argue, that for Jesus Christ to be called “Elohim”, or “Theos”, does not mean that He is The Creator God, because these words are used also for created beings in the Holy Bible. This is true, but they are also used 1000’s of times for The One True God!. However, in these passages from 1 Corinthians and Jude, we have clear evidence, when compared to the Old Testament, that Jesus Christ is very clearly called Yahweh. This Great Name of Almighty God, is NEVER used for any created being. It is also very clear, that the Person Who Spoke with Moses in the Burning Bush in Exodus chapter 3, is identified as “And the Angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush” (verse 2). In verse 4 we read of this “Angel of the Lord”, “And when Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, Elohim called unto him out of the midst of the bush”. Who identifies Himself as: “Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God”. This same “Angel of the Lord”, tells Moses, that He IS, “’Ehyeh ’ăsher ’ehyeh”, which is, “I AM WHO I AM”.

Only those who are enemies of the Holy Bible, and the Truth that it Teaches, can deny that It very explicitly Teaches, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH, The Eternal, Uncreated, Unchanging, Creator God.
 
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1 Corinthians 10:9

“We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents”

This verse is a clear quotation from the Old Testament passage in Numbers, where it reads:

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

In this passage in Numbers, it is clear that the children of Israel complained against “'ĕlôhı̂ym”. It then goes on to say, that “Yehôvâh” sent “fiery serpents among the people”, that killed many.

In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul, writing under the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, says that this “Yehôvâh” in Numbers 21:6, is Jesus Christ. Because of this clear Testimony to the Deity of The Lord Jesus Christ, where He is without any doubt called YHWH, the Eternal, Unchanging, Creator God, that some tried to corrupt the reading in the Corinthians text, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses have done in their version, in John 1:1, and other places. Instead of the reading “Christos”, we have in some of the modern versions, “Theos [God]”, and “Kurios [Lord]”, neither of which assert the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the reading “Christos”, does.

In their Emphatic Diaglott, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who published it in 1942, have in the Greek text, “Christos”, and the English under it, “the Anointed”. Though in the English translation in the right column, it has “the Lord”, which is theological, rather than what the Greek says. Interestingly, in the cross-reference, it has the passage from Numbers 21, thereby they affirm the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Greek says, “Christos”. The Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, reads “Christ”.

The textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading “Christos”, in 1 Corinthians 10:9. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Letter of Paul, from around A.D. 200, the the Chester Beatty Papyri, P46. Before this time, we have the evidence of the Greek Church fathers, Irenaeus, who was born about A.D. 140; and Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Then, Origen (185-254), who was a heretic and denied that Jesus Christ is God; Eusebius (260-340). From the Latin Church, we have, Ambrose, Bishp of Malan (339-97), Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (354-430), both who knew Greek and used the Greek New Testament. Then, we also the the Syriac father, Ephraem (306-373), who came from Edessa.

Of the English Versions that have the reading “Christos”, we have the, King James Version, New King James, Darby, Douay, New Living Translation, 21st Century King James, Webster, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, Common English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Today’s New International Version, New International Version, and the English Standard Version.

Of the older English Versions, we have “Christos”, in Wycliffe (1385), Tyndale (1526), Coverdale (1535), Great (1539), Bishop’s (1568), Geneva (1587).

In Jude 5 there is a very interesting reading that is found in the English Standard Version:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe”

Instead of “the Lord”, we have “Jesus”, which has the far better textual evidence.

The oldest Greek manuscript for the Letter of Jude, the Papyri Manuscript, known as P72, dating from between 200-250 A.D., reads: “Theos Christos” (God Christ). A similar reading can be found in Colossians 2:2, "Theou Christou" (of God Christ), and can be found as early as around A.D.200, in the Greek Papyri Manuscript, know as Chester Beatty, P46. Of the later Greek Manuscripts, we have the codices, Vaticanus, of the 4th century, and Alexandrinus, of the 5th. The support of the Ancient Versions, the Latin Vulgate, which is of the 4th century. The Coptic (Egyptian) Sahidic Version, 4th. The Armenian Version, 5th. Ethopic Version, about the 5th. The Church fathers who knew of the reading "Jesus", were, Didymus, "the blind", (A.D.313-398); Cyril of Alexandris (died 444); who were both of the Greek Church. Then, of the Latin Church we have, Jerome, who was responsible for the Latin Vulgate (342-420); John Cassian (360-435), and Bede (673-735). Even the heretic, Origen (185-354), knew of this reading. The witness of Origen is important, in that it represents a very early date for this reading, in the Greek text.

In the Book of Judges, chaprer 6, verses 8-10, we read:

“Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘I brought you up from Egypt and brought you out of the house of bondage; and I delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians and out of the hand of all who oppressed you, and drove them out before you and gave you their land. Also I said to you, “I am the LORD your God; do not fear the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.” But you have not obeyed My voice.’”

Yet, in chapter 2, verses 1-2, it says:

"Then the Angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’” So it was, when the Angel of the LORD spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept."

There are some who argue, that for Jesus Christ to be called “Elohim”, or “Theos”, does not mean that He is The Creator God, because these words are used also for created beings in the Holy Bible. This is true, but they are also used 1000’s of times for The One True God!. However, in these passages from 1 Corinthians and Jude, we have clear evidence, when compared to the Old Testament, that Jesus Christ is very clearly called Yahweh. This Great Name of Almighty God, is NEVER used for any created being. It is also very clear, that the Person Who Spoke with Moses in the Burning Bush in Exodus chapter 3, is identified as “And the Angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush” (verse 2). In verse 4 we read of this “Angel of the Lord”, “And when Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, Elohim called unto him out of the midst of the bush”. Who identifies Himself as: “Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God”. This same “Angel of the Lord”, tells Moses, that He IS, “’Ehyeh ’ăsher ’ehyeh”, which is, “I AM WHO I AM”.

Only those who are enemies of the Holy Bible, and the Truth that it Teaches, can deny that It very explicitly Teaches, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH, The Eternal, Uncreated, Unchanging, Creator God.

I’m trying to figure out if you’re a modalist or trinitarian.

I believe in the triune Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit found in Matthew 28:19, where the three share one name - baptize into the NAME, singular, of the three.
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I believe God the Father and God the Logos are co-creators, because Elohim is a plural name of God, and the plural name of God said let US make man in OUR image, in Genesis 1, and that John 1:1 refers to Genesis 1 when it states that, in the beginning was the Logos, who was WITH God, and yet
WAS God - God was WITH God, at creation.

I further believe that after God the Logos incarnated in a body and became God in the flesh, He transcended time and shows up in the Old Testament, so that the many instances of YHWH in the form of a man in the OT are in fact Jesus.

I believe that whenn it says “Moses talked to God face to face, as a man talks to a friend”, that was Jesus, the only manifestation of God as a man with a face.

And that when in Genesis 18:1 YHWH appears to Abraham as one of three men, that it was Jesus with two angels.

Abraham washes His feet, and ends up negotiating with Him to spare Sodom if ten righteous men were found in it.

When negotiations failed and Sodom was destroyed in Genesis 19, the Hebrew says YHWH rained down fire and brimstone from YHWH in heaven - God on earth in the form of Jesus rained down destruction from God in heaven:

Gen 19:24 Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven;

There you clearly have two persons of the trinity present: Jesus on earth, and God the Father in heaven.
 
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I’m trying to figure out if you’re a modalist or trinitarian.

I believe in the triune Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit found in Matthew 28:19, where the three share one name - baptize into the NAME, singular, of the three.
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I believe God the Father and God the Logos are co-creators, because Elohim is a plural name of God, and the plural name of God said let US make man in OUR image, in Genesis 1, and that John 1:1 refers to Genesis 1 when it states that, in the beginning was the Logos, who was WITH God, and yet
WAS God - God was WITH God, at creation.

I further believe that after God the Logos incarnated in a body and became God in the flesh, He transcended time and shows up in the Old Testament, so that the many instances of YHWH in the form of a man in the OT are in fact Jesus.

I believe that whenn it says “Moses talked to God face to face, as a man talks to a friend”, that was Jesus, the only manifestation of God as a man with a face.

And that when in Genesis 18:1 YHWH appears to Abraham as one of three men, that it was Jesus with two angels.

Abraham washes His feet, and ends up negotiating with Him to spare Sodom if ten righteous men were found in it.

When negotiations failed and Sodom was destroyed in Genesis 19, the Hebrew says YHWH rained down fire and brimstone from YHWH in heaven - God on earth in the form of Jesus rained down destruction from God in heaven:

Gen 19:24 Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven;

There you clearly have two persons of the trinity present: Jesus on earth, and God the Father in heaven.
One God from beginning to end, the Alpha and Omega. The omnipresent founder and Saviour of the universe, who made himself known to us in our image and likeness, clothed in flesh, who in summery, said follow me, I am the Good Shepherd of Psalm 23 and David's Lord of Psalm 110 made visible.
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Of course!
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Read what the Bible says, "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which Comes from the Father, He shall testify of Me" (John 15:26)

Here Jesus speaks of "sending" the Holy Spirit, Who cannot be Himself! Then we read that the Holy Spirit, will Come "from the side of", the Greek preposition, "παρὰ", shows that The Father is NOT the same as The Holy Spirit! So, here we have the Three Persons, Jesus Christ, the SENDER of the Holy Spirit, Who is said to be "by the side of", the Father. This one text destroys Unitarianism!
 

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Read what the Bible says, "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which Comes from the Father, He shall testify of Me" (John 15:26)

Here Jesus speaks of "sending" the Holy Spirit, Who cannot be Himself! Then we read that the Holy Spirit, will Come "from the side of", the Greek preposition, "παρὰ", shows that The Father is NOT the same as The Holy Spirit! So, here we have the Three Persons, Jesus Christ, the SENDER of the Holy Spirit, Who is said to be "by the side of", the Father. This one text destroys Unitarianism!
Please don't make it look as though there are three Gods. This is what puts people off Christianity. They think Christians believe in three gods, and that cannot be. There can only be one thing or person that is superior to all others. We are made in the image of God, and like God we are body, soul and spirit while being One person. My body can be sitting down, my soul can be with the Lord, and I can be with my relations in the spirit. All this time, I am One tripartite person.
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Please don't make it look as though there are three Gods. This is what puts people off Christianity. They think Christians believe in three gods, and that cannot be. There can only be one thing or person that is superior to all others. We are made in the image of God, and like God we are body, soul and spirit while being One person. My body can be sitting down, my soul can be with the Lord, and I can be with my relations in the spirit. All this time, I am One tripartite person.
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the Trinity is NOT Three Gods, but One God in Three distinct Persons. There is NO other way to understand verse like John 15:26, which show a clear distinction, by the SENDER, Jesus Christ, from the SENT, the Holy Spirit, Whose Coming forth is FROM THE SIDE of the Father. Now you show that this is is wrong
 

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1 Corinthians 10:9

“We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents”

This verse is a clear quotation from the Old Testament passage in Numbers, where it reads:

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

In this passage in Numbers, it is clear that the children of Israel complained against “'ĕlôhı̂ym”. It then goes on to say, that “Yehôvâh” sent “fiery serpents among the people”, that killed many.

In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul, writing under the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, says that this “Yehôvâh” in Numbers 21:6, is Jesus Christ. Because of this clear Testimony to the Deity of The Lord Jesus Christ, where He is without any doubt called YHWH, the Eternal, Unchanging, Creator God, that some tried to corrupt the reading in the Corinthians text, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses have done in their version, in John 1:1, and other places. Instead of the reading “Christos”, we have in some of the modern versions, “Theos [God]”, and “Kurios [Lord]”, neither of which assert the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the reading “Christos”, does.

The term "Christ" doesn't indicate deity, seeing that it means "anointed one." All the kings of Israel were "christs" i.e. "anointed ones." Even Moses is a christ, just as our brother Paul says in his epistle to the Hebrews. Hebrews 11:26. In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul is comparing Moses the Christ with Jesus the Christ, exhorting his readers not to behave like Israel, who rejected Moses the Christ. He argues that Yahweh sent fiery serpents when the people rejected Moses the Christ, but rejecting Jesus the Christ is much worse. We must not put Jesus the Christ to the test in the same way that Israel put Moses the Christ to the test.

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In Jude 5 there is a very interesting reading that is found in the English Standard Version:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe”

Instead of “the Lord”, we have “Jesus”, which has the far better textual evidence.
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The Greek phrase "theou christou" means "God's anointed." This appellation applies to many people in history other than Jesus the Christ.
 
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The term "Christ" doesn't indicate deity, seeing that it means "anointed one." All the kings of Israel were "christs" i.e. "anointed ones." Even Moses is a christ, just as our brother Paul says in his epistle to the Hebrews. Hebrews 11:26. In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul is comparing Moses the Christ with Jesus the Christ, exhorting his readers not to behave like Israel, who rejected Moses the Christ. He argues that Yahweh sent fiery serpents when the people rejected Moses the Christ, but rejecting Jesus the Christ is much worse. We must not put Jesus the Christ to the test in the same way that Israel put Moses the Christ to the test.
In Jude 5 there is a very interesting reading that is found in the English Standard Version:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe”

Instead of “the Lord”, we have “Jesus”, which has the far better textual evidence.
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The Greek phrase "theou christou" means "God's anointed." This appellation applies to many people in history other than Jesus the Christ.[/QUOTE]

look like you have completely misunderstoot the OP!
 

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the Trinity is NOT Three Gods, but One God in Three distinct Persons. There is NO other way to understand verse like John 15:26, which show a clear distinction, by the SENDER, Jesus Christ, from the SENT, the Holy Spirit, Whose Coming forth is FROM THE SIDE of the Father. Now you show that this is is wrong
Then Trinitarians and I count myself as one, do not explain it very well. Jesus coming from the side of the Father is an illustration of marriage, where two people are united. You yourself talk of three distinct persons with each one being God. That means three gods. I get quite upset when people of my own faith give the impression that I believe in three gods because I do not. You need to express it more clearly. Sometimes I talk of One tree having roots, trunk and branches while being One tree. It is down to you to make yourself and the tripartite nature of the one God clear, because I will tell you what, if it could be sorted properly so that Jews, JW's and others understood it better, it would do a lot of good to people worldwide, who may indeed enter the fold of the Good Shepherd. Is that four God's now?

See my signature and think about it for a short time. Jesus is my ALL IN ALL. He is my Saviour, Healer, Baptiser, Coming King, Creator God, King of Kings, Lord of Lords and Mighty God. They describe the NATURE of God who is indeed our spiritual heavenly Father with us on earth.

When Jesus taught us to say "Our Father" in the Lord's Prayer, guess who we are talking to. I will leave you to answer.
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Be more specific. You are making claims about the meaning of scripture. I disagreed with your interpretations. Are you going to defend your interpretations or not?

What I have shown in the OP is my defence. What you have written does not represent what I have said, not does it really contradict it. You misunderstand the two passages, 1 Cor. 10:9, and Jude 5. Both are very clear on the Deity of Jesus Christ.
 

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Then Trinitarians and I count myself as one, do not explain it very well. Jesus coming from the side of the Father is an illustration of marriage, wher two people are united. You yourself talk of three distinct persons with each one being God. That means three gods. I get quite upset when people of my own faith give the impression that I believe in three gods because I do not. You need to express it more clearly. Sometimes I talk of One tree having roots, trunk and branches while being One tree. It is down to you to make yourself and the tripartite nature of the one God clear, because I will tell you what, if it could be sorted properly so that Jews, JW's and others understood it better, it would do a lot of good to people worldwide, who may indeed enter the fold of the Good Shepherd. Is that four God's now?
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This might help,

PERSONALITY. In the first place, we endeavor to establish the personality of the Holy Spirit. By this we here mean that the Holy Spirit is a real being, possessing intelligence, and performing personal actions; not, however, a being distinct and separate in essence from the Father. We understand the one undivided essence or being in the Godhead to exist in three distinct persons—the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. We would prove the personality of the Holy Ghost, 1. By the appellations; 2. By the actions; 3. By the honors, ascribed to him. If these be such as can only be applicable to a real and personal existence, then the inference will be clear that the Holy Spirit is a real and personal being, and not a mere abstract attribute, energy, or influence.”

(Thomas Ralston - Elements of Divinity, p.40)