Jesus Christ Warned His Followers, Concerning Him Being On This Earth In A Millennium (Beware)

[Truth7t7]

More blatant nonsense from Truth7t7. Jesus said no such thing about His reign being "deception".

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you repeatedly claim

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Earburner]

No, that is from Scripture. Adam being innocent is human understanding, not found in Scripture. You have no idea if Adam ate from the Tree of Life. Why would he not, if that was not the one he could not eat from?

The answer is Gen. 2[9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good AND evil.

Prior to the eating of the Tree of the knowledge of Good & Evil, Adam & Eve had no knowledge of evil OR GOOD.
A living soul in that condition is innocent.

But, because they did eat of the ToG&E first, Adam & Eve were both barred from eating from the Tree of [eternal] life, who is/was Jesus, being Himself the Co-creator of all things, as revealed in the words "us" and "our": Gen. 1[26] And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:...

God could not, and would not allow that which is mere human flesh and blood, to live forever, having the knowledge of good and evil.

However, if Adam & Eve had eaten of the Tree of [eternal] life first, God would have barred them from eating of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, whereby Adam & Eve would have eternal life, but without the knowledge of good and evil.
What that world of innocense would have been like, we will never know in this realm


But, for those of us who are born again of His Holy Spirit, one day soon, upon Jesus' Glorious return from Heaven, WE WILL wholly experience the fulness of the Righteousness of God, dwelling within our New EARTHEN vessels. And why not?
By faith In the blood of Christ, and the Gift of His Holy Spirit, spiritually, we already are now in the KoG, who is Jesus.
We have already begun the journey, by becoming His New creatures, waiting for to be made into the likeness of His immortality.

To be IN the KoG, is to be IN Jesus,
To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Genesis 2=6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7

 

[Earburner]

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD" (Isaiah 66:22-23).

Being with His holy angels, Jesus (who has ascended) are now the New heavens, and we who are Born again, are the New earth (in process), looking for the Day of His Glorious return and our gathering unto Him, resurrected into the likeness of His immortality, WHEREIN DWELLETH RIGHTEOUSNESS, which is God the Father's righteousness, and not our form of it.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Jesus is God the Son NOT palace.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Before we get into discussing the new heavens and the new earth, first we must come to terms as to who is the Father's house, and who are the many mansions.

First, let's examine the word "mansions".
KJV John 14:1-11
[1] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
A  mansion (G3306) is a "garnished" (G3306) dwelling place.
Mat. 12:43-45
[44] Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished (G3306).
In the parable, what was it that was garnished, in which the evil spirit returned to.
Who was that "house" garnished for?

What was it that was not "received", whereby the evil spirit's former "house" was found "empty"? Who would have kept the the evil spirit from re-entering into his former "house", if he was occupying that "house"?
Ans. The Holy Spirit of God

In all of this parable, what are the words "house" and "mansion" symbols of?
Ans. Our bodies of flesh.

Secondly, Jesus was made to be flesh.
Who is it that indwells His body of flesh, aka "house", without fear of evil spirits entering into Him at will?
Ans. God The Father!!

Jesus Himself is God the Father's house of dwelling, to usward. "I and my Father are One".
Now by the mind of Christ within you, you can understand the entire meaning of John 14:1-11 from God's perspective.

My questions were straightforward and you didn't answer them. Can you please answer my questions? Otherwise, I can't take you seriously.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus is God the Son NOT palace.

You are not understanding what Person it is, that makes our earthen bodies to be "garnished" as a "mansion", so that you and I can be God the Father's dwelling place, for all eternity.
Please see Strongs #G3306.

 

[Earburner]

My questions were straightforward and you didn't answer them. Can you please answer my questions? Otherwise, I can't take you seriously.

In reference to my post #17, I will answer your questions directly.
I realize that what I am saying is contrary to the beliefs of "church-ianity", and the many professing Christians, who will oppose what is being revealed.

I also know that much of what I am saying is difficult to understand. Not that it isn't scriptural, through the Lord's Spirit, but rather for all who believe in a "made over" planet Earth, or another literal "New" planet Earth, being something that might be similar to this present planet Earth, it is hard to let go of deep seated preconceived ideas, that have embedded themselves in many generations before us. Isa. 55:8-9.

1 Cor. 2
[10] But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit [mind] of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man [our "man of sin", the mind of our flesh] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Please be patient in my delivery to you soon.
Thanks, Earburner

 

[Timtofly]

The answer is Gen. 2[9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good AND evil.

Prior to the eating of the Tree of the knowledge of Good & Evil, Adam & Eve had no knowledge of evil OR GOOD.
A living soul in that condition is innocent.

But, because they did eat of the ToG&E first, Adam & Eve were both barred from eating from the Tree of [eternal] life, who is/was Jesus, being Himself the Co-creator of all things, as revealed in the words "us" and "our": Gen. 1[26] And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:...

God could not, and would not allow that which is mere human flesh and blood, to live forever, having the knowledge of good and evil.

However, if Adam & Eve had eaten of the Tree of [eternal] life first, God would have barred them from eating of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, whereby Adam & Eve would have eternal life, but without the knowledge of good and evil.
What that world of innocense would have been like, we will never know in this realm


But, for those of us who are born again of His Holy Spirit, one day soon, upon Jesus' Glorious return from Heaven, WE WILL wholly experience the fulness of the Righteousness of God, dwelling within our New EARTHEN vessels. And why not?
By faith In the blood of Christ, and the Gift of His Holy Spirit, spiritually, we already are now in the KoG, who is Jesus.
We have already begun the journey, by becoming His New creatures, waiting for to be made into the likeness of His immortality.

To be IN the KoG, is to be IN Jesus,
To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG.

And that is just philosophical reasoning of human imagination. No Scripture supports that Adam made the wrong choice.

You are missing the point Adam disobeyed God and physically and spiritually died.

That is what Scripture says, especially Paul in the NT. Paul never claims Adam had a choice between eating from 2 trees.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Genesis 3:12

The man (Adam)said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

 

[Earburner]

My questions were straightforward and you didn't answer them. Can you please answer my questions? Otherwise, I can't take you seriously.

Spiritual Israelite wrote (post #14):
If that was the case then why did Peter talk about the new heaven and new earth in terms of something we are looking forward to instead of as a present reality?
2 Peter 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
Earburner's reply:
Except for the fact that we must be born again by His Spirit, I am not implying any other "present reality". Our salvation is a two stage process.
1. We come to Jesus for God's forgiveness of sins, and to receive His Gift of His Holy Spirit, aka being born again spiritually, thus entering into the KoG in that moment.
2. When Jesus returns from Heaven, in flaming fire, all the saints are resurrected into the likeness of Jesus' immortality, and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

As for now, God the Father, who is in Jesus (being one in Holy Spirit), are now "temporarily tabernacling" with us, within our mortal earthen bodies.
During this present time of God's Age of Grace, we are only "partakers of the divine nature", waiting for the Day when we shall receive the likeness of Christ's immortality in our New bodies. Then shall we experience the FULNESS of God's righteousness WITHIN our NEW immortal Earthen bodies. (KJV- "whereIN righteousness dwells"). Not the literal earth, but within our New Immortal Earthen bodies. Jesus is "the firstborn from the dead" of that inheritance.

And what about what John said here:
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Much of what John saw was symbolic of what he thought the NH&E looked like. I'm sure that he did see saved people and angels. So much so, that he could not see anyone of the "sea", of which is understood to be mortal unsaved people.
Scripturally, we know that when Jesus Returns, He is coming with His mighty angels, and all the saints that had been asleep IN Jesus will be with Him.

So, did John see a "NEW global" planet of another Earth"? Or, did he just simply see New creatures of earthen vessels, like that of Jesus' immortality, with His mighty angels, coming down from Heaven, to gather up those remaining, who are on planet earth, being alive and are born again, in which simultaneously the old earth then passes away?

I strongly doubt that John saw a literal New global earth. In 96 AD. he didn't even know that this present Earth is a globe.
In 96 AD, John did not know of what this old planet Earth looks like as a globe, never mind describing the physical heavens of other planets, etc.
The fact is, John had very limited knowledge about this planet.
Did he see it as a globe, or as a
flat plane?

So then, how could he make a valid association of how to describe a New physical heavens and a NEW planet Earth?
He couldn't..

So what did John see? He saw the great city of NEW Heavenly Jerusalem, made and built by God, entirely out of RESURRECTED people, being themselves the New Earth of God's permanent dwelling place forever.

Coming with Jesus, are His mighty angels to receive the last of those who are of faith, who are alive and remaining. Instantly they are changed and gathered unto Jesus Himself, meeting all who are in the air (atmosphere).

If Jesus is the new heaven, then what was the first heaven that passed away?
The people and nation of Israel, before the first appearance of Jesus, were known in the world as being the symbolic representation /example of "God's heaven on the earth", but He Himself was NOT YET permanently WITHIN their earthen vessels , being that of "we who do have this treasure in earthen vessels", ever since Pentecost.
Today, Jesus Himself has fulfilled that understanding, by becoming the Firstborn from the dead. He, and His angels with Him, are the New heavens.

If we are the new earth, then what was the first earth that passed away?
This present world of unsaved people are of the old Adam nature of flesh and blood only. Being therefore of the old earth, ("that man of sin", "the natural man" only), God does not and cannot dwell in them without Christ. (Rom. 8:9). They and this planet will pass away simultaneously upon Jesus' Glorious appearing. 2 Thes. 1:7-10,
2 Peter 3:10-13

Also, what is the sea that is no longer there (in your view)?
All unsaved people.

As you probably know, there are two views about that.
1. The belief that the literal seas/oceans of the present, will no longer be required, as they are only needed today for sustenance and the conversion of the elemental gases for the atmosphere, being that of the air we breathe, aka "the breath of life" for "living souls" of flesh and blood.
2. The belief that the words "no more sea" is symbolic of no more flesh and blood unsaved people will be left alive, nor anything else of the like in it. There literally will be no more planet Earth, nor the need for a New one like it.

On both accounts combined, they illustrate and reveal that the new Heavens are Jesus with His Holy angels, and the New Earth is all of us, His resurrected people, all dwelling in the realm of God's kingdom (a dimension that is not of this world), having no need of any OTHER type of earth to dwell on or in.

So far, Jesus Himself, being at the right hand of God, hasn't needed anything of this planet earth, or one like it for 2023 years.

Please see my post #17 for more detail.
Thanks for listening,
Earburner

 

[GISMYS_7]

We all must choose. Will you believeve the eternal word of God OR the ideas and opinions of little men??

 

[Earburner]

We all must choose. Will you believeve the eternal word of God OR the ideas and opinions of little men??

In your contention of no argument, like it or not, the human minds within "church-ianity" (the wisdom of men, from bible colleges) have churned out an interpretation of what they think the word of God is saying,......and you willingly believe it.

 

[GISMYS_7]

In your contention of no argument, like it or not, the human minds within "church-ianity" (the wisdom of men) have churned out an interpretation of what they think the word of God is saying,......and you willingly believe it.

LOL!!! I have NO problem understanding what God's Word is saying to me!!! AND YOU???

 

[Earburner]

LOL!!! I have NO problem understanding what God's Word is saying to me!!! AND YOU???

Still, you present no argument, in your contention. Is it that God's thoughts are like your thoughts?
Or is it that "the mind of Christ" is equal to the thoughts of God?

Through which "mind" are you discerning God's words from?
Isa. 55:8-9
1 Cor. 2:5

 

[Earburner]

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD" (Isaiah 66:22-23).

Are you not a NEW creature in Christ Jesus, "whose builder and maker is God"??

Through faith in Christ, aren't you now of the seed of Abraham, the seed of Promise?

Through Jesus, by being born again, do you not now worship God IN SPIRIT?

God's longing DESIRE, is that all should come to repentance, hoping that all flesh would come and worship before Him.

2 Peter 3
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Isa. 66:22-23 is being fulfilled, ever since Pentecost.

But, because of man's free will, we know that NOT all are willing to come to repentance towards God the Father through Jesus, even though THEY SHOULD.
For those who don't, THEY shall perish (be destroyed).
Rom. 8:9

 

[GISMYS_7]

Still, you present no argument, in your contention. Is it that God's thoughts are like your thoughts?
Or is it that "the mind of Christ" is equal to the thoughts of God?

Through which "mind" are you discerning God's words from?
Isa. 55:8-9
1 Cor. 2:5

Wow!!! Pray for wisdom and understanding.

 

[Earburner]

Wow!!! Pray for wisdom and understanding.

In your contention, I expected that you might not comprehend what was said in my post #37. Correction, #36.
Try this:
1 Cor. 2
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

By which mind are you discerning the words of God?
Yours or His??

 

[GISMYS_7]

Proverbs 26:4​

“Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.”

• Exodus 23:2a, NIV: "Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong."
• Proverbs 6:12-19: "There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: ... a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community."

 

[Earburner]

Proverbs 26:4​

“Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.”

James 3
[17] But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.