@Robert Gwin. I don’t know how you all see “the beginning of the creation of God” for instance if you think that passage speaks of Christ. Your topic is to make disciples…to me that passage speaks of “I will reprove,” and discipline…” disciple? so it is important to me to see who is speaking there. “The beginning of the creation of God.” Is there any doubt who is the beginning of the creation of God? Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church:
who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
It is important to me because of who is speaking in “the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.” The beginning of the creation of God says …I will spit you out of my mouth. Is there any question who says “I will spit you out of my mouth”? …Because you say “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing.” And you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. Who advises “counsels”…again disciple… “buy of me gold refined by fire so that you become rich and white garments so that you may be clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed, and eye salve
To anoint your eyes so you may see.
who says “those whom I love, I reprove and discipline. Therefore repent . Who says “behold I stand at the door and knock —whoever opens the door I will come in and sup (dine), him with me and me with him? Is “the beginning of The creation of God” still speaking? “The firstfruits” “preeminence”
“The firstborn from the dead” Yea? Revelation 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Point is “the faithful and true witness” “the beginning of The creation of God” also spoke
Matthew 11:28-29 Come unto me, all you that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [29] Take my yoke upon you, and
learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you shall find rest unto your souls.
^as The beginning of the creation of God says in that passage in Revelation “those I love I reprove and discipline. Does this show the Father? Hebrews 12:5-11 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks unto you as unto children,
My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: [6] For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives. [7] If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons;
for what son is he whom the father chastens not? [8] But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons. [9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? [10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. [11] Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Jehovah witnesses…how is “the faithful and true witness” “the beginning of the creation of God” …another God? Can you explain to me how
the beginning of the creation of God is serving another God?