JESUS SECRETLY TELLS US WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE IN MATTHEW 24

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So, do you understand what this means? I doubt it, like most others you simple see Jesus' words and you not being a Jew from 2000 years ago, you have got the inside information they hade, Paul understood, which is why he called it the Last Trump, it all ties together.

Davy and David in NJ are like talking to walls, they know it all but can't even understand the timing of the rapture, which makes them both untrustworthy on anything Eschatology, I have wiped the dust off my feet. Let them live in their on delusions.

So, what does Matt. 24:36 mean? Well, in the parable of the fig tree Jesus told us that we can indeed know "The Season" by looking at all of the signs. Likewise, we can know the Season of the Rapture, just not the exact day nor hour. Which means we can know the year and the Season (Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall) without knowing the exact Day nor Hour, do you see now how this can be warped into meaning something it doesn't really mean? People can put a spin on this that, hey Jesus told us we CAN NOT KNOW when he is returning, when Jesus really said only this, you can't know the exact day nor hour of my return, only the Father knows the (ONLY) Exact Day & Hour. He did not say we couldn't know the year and as the fig tree parable tells us, we can know The Season.

So, why did Jesus say we can't know the exact day nor hour? What does it really mean? Well, it is Jesus showing us through the Feast of Trumps how he is going to end the Church Age (Harvest) via the Feast of Trumps, thus the Last Trump reference by Paul.

Jesus fulfilled the three Spring Feasts via his life & death

1.) Passover (Jesus fulfilled this via his death and blood which covers our sins, of course)
2.) Unleavened Bread (Jesus was without sin, thus he was unleavened from this world and its sin nature)
3.) First-fruits (Jesus was the first-fruits of the Grave)

Summer Harvest Feast

4.) Feast of Weeks/Church Age/the Summer Harvest of souls ( This Feast was always on the calendar all alone, just like the 2000 some odd year church age is. It is the Time of the Gentiles [calling]. Jesus is fulfilling this Harvesting of Souls, he is our High Priest in heaven as we speak, and we are his body. We are harvesting souls for God/Jesus. Well, in Israel what always ended the Harvest every year? The New Year officially ended the harvest (VERY IMPORTANT). Thus since Israel were on God time (Lunar moon cycle) they could never know the EXACT Day nor Hour that the New Moon would come in and thus they also could not know exact day nor hour that the New Year would come in. BUT.......they knew within a two day period every year. just not the EXACT DAY nor the EXACT HOUR !! So, we can and should know THE SEASON, just like Israel knew the Season of the New Moon an d thus New Year within a couple of days. So, the Israeli leaders sent up two witnesses to spy out when the new moon (New Year) came in, and when they saw it they sent back word to the Israeli leaders, then they started sounding the Shofar or Trumpets, in 9 sets of 11 or 99 times, then on the "LAST TRUMP" (100th trump) it blew Longer & Louder than the other 99, and that Last Trump officially ended the Summer Harvest. Likewise, as Paul says, the Last Trump (Jesus calling his bride home in Rev. 4:1) officially ends the Church Age (Summer Harvest) and thus Jesus is NOW FULFILLING the Summer Harvest AND he will fulfill the Feast of Trumps by calling his bride home to the Marriage in Heaven, that is what is meant by we can not know the EXACT Day nor Hour, Satan has twisted it to say we can not have a clue, when Jesus told us we can and should have a clue by looking at al of THE SIGNS, the Fig Tree Parable says when you see ALL THESE SIGNS, Likewise.... which is referring to the 10-12 signs he gave us in Matt. 24:4-31, in which the last sign is the Sun and Moon going dark etc. etc. So, what is THAT SIGN? Well , Rev. 8 shows it to be an Asteroid Impact. Well, can we see Asteroids heading our way? EUREKA !! Jesus told us to look to the skies fir a reason. In Luke 21 he says men will see and fear what is coming, the waves (Tsunami) roaring etc. We can see an Asteroid named Apophis heading our way now, LOOK AROUND, is it time? One Billion Abortion murders, the transsexual agenda being forced down young kids throats, homosexual marriage approved almost worldwide, hate against Christians at an all time high. Technology and knowledge at an all time high where people can be tacked, and their every thought can be known by the US Gov. spying on us. So, is Apophis going to hit? Yes, we can and should know THE SEASON we are in !! The Feast of Trumps and the LAST TRUMP are just Jesus calling the Church home. Thus Jesus will fulfill the Feast of Trumps.)

Fall Feasts Jesus is yet to fulfill

5.) Feast of Trumps ( SEE ABOVE, Jesus fulfills this when he calls the Church home Pre Trib)

6.) Feast of Atonement ( Who needs to ATONE or Repent according to Dan. 9:24-27 before the 70th week can be fulfilled? Israel, and they do so in Zech. 13:8-9, just before the DOTL is seen on verse later in Zechariah 14:1-2. Thus Jesus fulfills this Feast via his blood atonement)

7.) Feast of Tabernacles (the word TABERNACLE means two DWELL with God, and who rules from Jerusalem for 1000 years? Jesus who is God !! This Jesus fulfills all 7 Feasts. Amen)

The 7 Feasts were called Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals) and thus Israel were practicing the whole history of the world and didn't even understand what they were doing over 3000 years ago.

Not knowing the Day nor Hour is simply Jesus telling us that just like Israel were on God time via a Lunar Moon, likewise, God will decide when He sends Jesus, but we can and should (OBVIOUSLY) know THE SEASON. The Season is at hand. Apophis is going to hit on April 13, 2029, that will be the Day of the Lord, thus by subtracting 3.5 years we can understand that the Pre Trib Rapture will happen in the FALL of 2025.

Now, does that mean we can know the EXACT day or hour? No, only God the Father knows that EXACT MOMENT, we are not on a Lunar moon, but that is what God is telling us, I ALONE decide the time, but you can know THE SEASON.
You are way too arrogant. You think you know more than God. You're foolish. And wrong.


Conversation with that personality type is impossible.
 

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The primary message being presented here is that none of the participants have the slightest clue as to what the Bible says about the rapture.

It is very clearly defined in Revelation 7, when the tribulation is brought to a halt between the 6th and 7th Seals for the purpose of Sealing the 144,000 against harm, who will be present on earth during the entire tribulation.

The second action is to remove the saints on earth before all hell breaks loose when the 7th Seal is opened.

Revelation 7:9-17 tells about a multitude of saints from every nation, tribe and tongue that no man could number, who are taken up OUT of tribulation and are seen standing before the Throne waving Palm branches.

This information gives us a clue as to the very day the rapture will take place in the middle of the tribulation. The time frame of events commences with the 1st and 2nd seal as the nations are being gathered together into the one world order.

Knowing God’s perfect planning, ie When was the Lamb of God given to the world? During the first two weeks of Nissan which commences with Palm Sunday on the first day of Nissan and culminates with Passover on the 14th Day of Nissan.

When was Christ crucified? On the 13th day of Nissan, on the eve of Passover.

What day does the rapture take place?? How about Palm Sunday, the 1st day of Nissan when they are all waving Palm branches before the Throne!!? As for the hour, that will probably depend upon which part of thd globe you reside.

The whole idea of the rapture is rather simple and straight forward to those who read the passage of Scripture that provides the details.
 
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The primary message being presented here is that none of the participants have the slightest clue as to what the Bible says about the rapture.

It is very clearly defined in Revelation 7, when the tribulation is brought to a halt between the 6th and 7th Seals for the purpose of Sealing the 144,000 against harm, who will be present on earth during the entire tribulation.

The second action is to remove the saints on earth before all hell breaks loose when the 7th Seal is opened.

Revelation 7:9-17 tells about a multitude of saints from every nation, tribe and tongue that no man could number, who are taken up OUT of tribulation and are seen standing before the Throne waving Palm branches.

This information gives us a clue as to the very day the rapture will take place in the middle of the tribulation. The time frame of events commences with the 1st and 2nd seal as the nations are being gathered together into the one world order.

Knowing God’s perfect planning, ie When was the Lamb of God given to the world? During the first two weeks of Nissan which commences with Palm Sunday on the first day of Nissan and culminates with Passover on the 14th Day of Nissan.

When was Christ crucified? On the 13th day of Nissan, on the eve of Passover.

What day does the rapture take place?? How about Palm Sunday, the 1st day of Nissan when they are all waving Palm branches before the Throne!!? As for the hour, that will probably depend upon which part of thd globe you reside.

The whole idea of the rapture is rather simple and straight forward to those who read the passage of Scripture that provides the details.
The Primary Message is DO NOT add to God's words what HE did NOT say = Revelation 22:18

You added your words upon scripture by saying: "who are taken up"
This is BAD to do my friend.

"OUT OF Tribulation" means they were in the very midst of it = they were not raptured

the LORD specifically stated this in ch6 v9-11

And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”
Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.

In chapter 7 we SEE the spirits of the Saints who were killed during the Tribulation from which they came "OUT OF" and are now in
Heaven.

God is smart enough to have said 'raptured' or 'caught up' but HE DID NOT because they were killed just as HE SAID.

out of
ἐκ (ek)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1537: From out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards.
A primary preposition denoting origin, from, out.
 
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David in NJ

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The primary message being presented here is that none of the participants have the slightest clue as to what the Bible says about the rapture.

It is very clearly defined in Revelation 7, when the tribulation is brought to a halt between the 6th and 7th Seals for the purpose of Sealing the 144,000 against harm, who will be present on earth during the entire tribulation.

The second action is to remove the saints on earth before all hell breaks loose when the 7th Seal is opened.

Revelation 7:9-17 tells about a multitude of saints from every nation, tribe and tongue that no man could number, who are taken up OUT of tribulation and are seen standing before the Throne waving Palm branches.

This information gives us a clue as to the very day the rapture will take place in the middle of the tribulation. The time frame of events commences with the 1st and 2nd seal as the nations are being gathered together into the one world order.

Knowing God’s perfect planning, ie When was the Lamb of God given to the world? During the first two weeks of Nissan which commences with Palm Sunday on the first day of Nissan and culminates with Passover on the 14th Day of Nissan.

When was Christ crucified? On the 13th day of Nissan, on the eve of Passover.

What day does the rapture take place?? How about Palm Sunday, the 1st day of Nissan when they are all waving Palm branches before the Throne!!? As for the hour, that will probably depend upon which part of thd globe you reside.

The whole idea of the rapture is rather simple and straight forward to those who read the passage of Scripture that provides the details.
You said: "This information gives us a clue as to the very day the rapture will take place in the middle of the tribulation.
The time frame of events commences with the 1st and 2nd seal as the nations are being gathered together into the one world order."

Your statement directly goes against what God has said in the 5th Seal - Revelation 6:9-11

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer,
until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren,
who would be killed as they were, was completed.
 

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How many would be prophets are on this site?
The real question is false prophecy vs true prophecy

We all prophecy when we Believe and Proclaim His 1st Advent and all that He accomplished and that the Lord Jesus Christ is Coming Again.
 

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The real question is false prophecy vs true prophecy

We all prophecy when we Believe and Proclaim His 1st Advent and all that He accomplished and that the Lord Jesus Christ is Coming Again.
I don't believe that's prophecy on our part because it is prophecy in scripture first. We're just repeating what is written.
 

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The Primary Message is DO NOT add to God's words what HE did NOT say = Revelation 22:18

You added your words upon scripture = "who are taken up" this is BAD my friend to do.

All I know is what the BIBLE says, and it says they were taken OUT of the tribulation, and seen around the Throne. Pardon my presumption that they were taken UP. So whether the Throne of God is up, down or sideways, if the direction is important to you then go with it. Whatever turns your crank.

Your declaration that the information in Rev 7 is false, and these people were actually dead, and had something to do with those who died under thd 5th Seal is ludicrous.

The only thing of significance you have said is that Rev 7 is a lie. If that’s your choice then go for it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with what I believe.
 
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I don't believe that's prophecy on our part because it is prophecy in scripture first. We're just repeating what is written.
Agreed - we are nevertheless prophetically proclaiming:
a.) His Coming in the Flesh as prophesied by the Holy Spirit thru 'men of God'
b.) His physical lineage from Israel and the Tribe of Judah
c.) His origin from Eternity = the WORD was God
d.) His Sinless Life = Begotten of the FATHER
e.) His Suffering and Death for our sins/the world
f.) His Resurrection
g.) His Ascension back to Heaven/FATHER where HE originally came
h.) Preaching the Gospel is prophesying for all who hear will come
i.) HE is Coming Again
j.) to bring Salvation/Deliverence/Resurrection/Rapture for those who eagerly wait for Him
k.) to bring Wrath upon those who rejected Him and sided with the Beast/satan/Mark

And this is done within us by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Your declaration that the information in Rev 7 is false, and these people were actually dead, and had something to do with those who died under thd 5th Seal is ludicrous.

The only thing of significance you have said is that Rev 7 is a lie. If that’s your choice then go for it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with what I believe.
Here we go with the false accusations from those who add their own words upon Scripture.

Show evidence that i said Revelation chapter 7 is a lie = AS YOU SAY
AND
now you are calling God's words ludicrous in that you reject His very words in the 5th Seal
AND
You added your own words upon God's words when you say that a "time frame/rapture occurs in the 1st and 2nd Seals"

God did not say nor use the word or phrase 'rapture' or 'caught up' in Revelation chapters 6 and 7
 

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All I know is what the BIBLE says, and it says they were taken OUT of the tribulation


It does not say that. This is what it says:

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 

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It does not say that. This is what it says:

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
So your position is that they were not TAKEN out of the tribulation, but got to the Throne all by themselves!! So what did they use to get to Heaven? Pogo sticks??!! Kites?! Or did they just get high on booze??!!
 

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So your position is that they were not TAKEN out of the tribulation, but got to the Throne all by themselves!! So what did they use to get to Heaven? Pogo sticks??!! Kites?! Or did they just get high on booze??!!
They arrived in Heaven the same way as those Saints in the 5th Seal.

The SAME way all Saints get to Heaven as we wait for the LORD's Second Coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep/died in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep/dead.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
 

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They arrived in Heaven the same way as those Saints in the 5th Seal.

The SAME way all Saints get to Heaven as we wait for the LORD's Second Coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep/died in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep/dead.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Better tell Jesus that. He obviously doesn’t know that resurrection of the dead at His second coming is going to be a total waste of time!

I am so grateful to have someone like you to point out that much of the Bible is just a sick joke, but you are here to tell me the truth!! Thank you!
 

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So your position is that they were not TAKEN out of the tribulation,

The bible does not say they were "taken" out of anything.


but got to the Throne all by themselves!! So what did they use to get to Heaven? Pogo sticks??!! Kites?! Or did they just get high on booze??!!


When someone dies, how do they get to heaven? Walk?
 

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Better tell Jesus that. He obviously doesn’t know that resurrection of the dead at His second coming is going to be a total waste of time!

I am so grateful to have someone like you to point out that much of the Bible is just a sick joke, but you are here to tell me the truth!! Thank you!
What are you talking about???

Do you not understand 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of the Resurrection of the dead?

Do you understand this - 1Thess 3:13

"so that He may establish your hearts in blamelessness and holiness before our God and Father
at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints."
Amen
 

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The bible does not say they were "taken" out of anything.





When someone dies, how do they get to heaven? Walk?
I was not talking about dead people!

I was talking about the myriad of live saints who were taken up “OUT of tribulation”, probably the same way Enoch and Elijah were taken UP!
 

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I was not talking about dead people!

The point is that many who go to heaven got there because they died, not from a rapture.

I was talking about the myriad of live saints who were taken up “OUT of tribulation”, probably the same way Enoch and Elijah were taken UP!


And Rev 7 is not talking about the raptured. There's way too many people there to be the raptured. Also, all the language used tells us that part of the chp is from the eternity not from this age.
 

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The point is that many who go to heaven got there because they died, not from a rapture.




And Rev 7 is not talking about the raptured. There's way too many people there to be the raptured. Also, all the language used tells us that part of the chp is from the eternity not from this age.
Sorry ewq1938, but GOD says the number to be raptured will be a myriad no man could count! The Bible placed no limit upon the number who will be raptured in just a single day; but that is just the beginning of the billions of people since Adam who are going to be resurrected upon Christ’s return.

Notwithstanding, there are a few who have fallen for Satan’s lie that what the Bible says in this regard, and the only ones going to Heaven are those who support his cult. it doesn’t require a lot of thought for these victims to realize they are victims of a Satanic scam that could have ETERNAL consequences. . . . Something to think about.