Jesus submitted to his God

[ScottA]

It was your body language analogy. One person, one right hand.

Not my analogy. That is scripture even if paraphrased.

 

[ScottA]

That’s the Messiah’s own creed. The Messiah is only one person. So is his God. The creed isn’t about him. It is about his God.

You are a person and you think like a person and your creed is of persons. But God is not so lowly.

 

[Matthias]

Not my analogy.

Body language is an analogy.

That is scripture even if paraphrased.

The Messiah’s creed is scripture. It isn’t an analogy of his God it is the affirmation, his own confession of faith, that his God is one Lord.

 

[Matthias]

You are a person and you think like a person and your creed is of persons.

You are also a person and you think like a person. The Messiah’s creed is of God, his God, not of persons.

But God is not so lowly.

 

[ScottA]

Paul is an apostle. You aren’t, and you’ve gone beyond him; I haven’t. I hope we’re not going to get into your personal experience story again. We’ve been through it a couple of times already and it isn’t going to persuade me. We both know that. Right?

Are you God that you should say what I am and what I am not?

What you "haven't" done (selectively), is fully considered the scriptural end following Paul.

 

[Matthias]

Are you God that you should say what I am and what I am not?

Let me put that same question to you: Are you God that you should say what I am and what I am not?

What you "haven't" done (selectively), is fully considered the scriptural end following Paul.

I don’t go beyond what is written in scripture; you do. (That’s important for Muslims and Jews to know about us.) And see above.

 

[ScottA]

Body language is an analogy.



The Messiah’s creed is scripture. It isn’t an analogy of his God it is the affirmation, his own confession of faith, that his God is one Lord.

All scripture is analogy--even you, made in the "image" of God. And having erred on this one reality of scripture, your error is multiplied many fold.

 

[Matthias]

All scripture is analogy--even you, made in the "image" of God. And having erred on this one reality of scripture, your error is multiplied many fold.

All scripture is not analogy. Scripture uses analogy, and many other figures of speech.

 

[ScottA]

You are also a person and you think like a person. The Messiah’s creed is of God, his God, not of persons.

You could not possibly know what I think like. God knows.

Even so, my words to you are not mine, but His whom you do not know well enough to say either way.

 

[ScottA]

Let me put that same question to you: Are you God that you should say what I am and what I am not?

Do you and I speak the same words? Why then do you ask me the same question? Doing so has revealed you.

 

[Matthias]

You could not possibly know what I think like. God knows.

You think like what you speak and write.

Even so, my words to you are not mine, but His whom you do not know well enough to say either way.

We’ve been through this before. Several times before, in fact. I haven’t forgotten your line.

 

[Matthias]

Do you and I speak the same words? Why then do you ask me the same question? Doing so has revealed you.

It only revealed your hypocrisy. Nothing more.

 

[ScottA]

I don’t go beyond what is written in scripture; you do. And see above.

It is true, you do not go beyond what is written in scripture. But you have as much as denied that some of what is written was also sealed, to be revealed beyond the days of Paul and the twelve.

But yes, I do go beyond--for it is given to me to do so--to reveal in due season what was before sealed. And for the record, you have rejected it, as you say, "a couple times already."

 

[ScottA]

All scripture is not analogy. Scripture uses analogy, and many other figures of speech.

Again you speak [only] as a person. "Figures of speech" are men's literary terms, labeled by those who also label God by the limited terms of persons.

 

[ScottA]

It only revealed your hypocrisy. Nothing more.

Accusation noted. So shall it be written.

 

[Matthias]

It is true, you do not go beyond what is written in scripture.

Thank you for that.

But you have as much as denied that some of what is written was also sealed, to be revealed beyond the days of Paul and the twelve.

All that was sealed and subsequently revealed in Revelation is sufficient.

But yes, I do go beyond--for it is given to me to do so--to reveal in due season what was before sealed. And for the record, you have rejected it, as you say, "a couple times already."

I’ve heard your personal story. I acknowledge, for the record, that you are right in saying that I have rejected it. Scripture contains everything that is needful for a follower of Jesus to know at this time. You aren’t on a mission from God and Messiah to reveal anything new.

 

[Matthias]

Again you speak [only] as a person. "Figures of speech" are men's literary terms, labeled by those who also label God by the limited terms of persons.

Figures of speech are real. God uses them to communicate intelligently with mankind.

 

[Matthias]

But yes, I do go beyond--for it is given to me to do so …

Again, I thank you for saying plainly - for reiterating - to me (and to all of your readers) that you do go beyond what is written. That is your own testimony about yourself. To borrow your words, so shall it be written.

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A word now to my other readers -

Do not go beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6) and test the spirits to see whether they are from God (1 John 4:1).

 

[ScottA]

All that was sealed and subsequently revealed in Revelation is sufficient.

It is not for you to say.

But no, part of what was revealed in Revelation was that it was in fact not all revealed, and would not be until just before the sounding of the seventh angel--that was John's witness. Which you now continue to deny or limit.

 

[Matthias]

It is not for you to say.

It is for me to say. It is for all of the Messiah’s disciples to say.

But no, part of what was revealed in Revelation was that it was in fact not all revealed, and would not be until just before the sounding of the seventh angel--that was John's witness. Which you now continue to deny or limit.

I don’t deny John’s witness. I deny yours.