John 1:1 looked at HONESTLY!

[kcnalp]

If he is God there is no doubt about it, as God doesn't lie. Matter of fact the Bible clearly states:
(Titus 1:2) . . .God, who cannot lie. . .
That is the only thing that God cannot do. Since Jesus stated clearly he could not grant James and John position, nor did he know the day or hour, something is amiss. The only logical thing to conclude is that Jesus is actually what he claimed to be; God's son. Does this seem reasonable to you K?

Say it plain. Your Jesus is a sinner and Michael is your savior?

 

[kcnalp]

Who said Jesus was born a sinner?

Nobody. lol

And born again in Hell? How do you get that from what I said? Give me a break man.

I learned about the "Jesus died Spiritually" heresy over 40 years ago. Copeland was the main heretic. And yes Copeland said Jesus was born again in Hell.

My sins were imputed to him. So he could pay for them. He was not born a sinner.

Nobody said Jesus was born a sinner. When you say Jesus died spiritually you're calling Him a sinner!

Spiritual death: Luke 15:24 (NKJV)
24 for this my son was dead and is alive again;

You seem to have a comprehension problem.

You seem to know nothing about "spiritual death".

Genesis 2:17 (NKJV)
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

Spiritual death! My Jesus was not a sinner.

 

[GEN2REV]

The Persons in the Godhead are "distinct" but not "separate". The Father never became Man, nor did the Holy Spirit. It was the Word that became flesh, Who is Jesus Christ. Not the Father or the Holy Spirit. It was Jesus Christ Who died for our sins on the cross, Not the Father or the Holy Spirit, etc. You cannot confound the Three Persons.

Actually, the Webster's definition for Distinct means Separate.

Definition of distinct
1: distinguishable to the eye or mind as being discrete (see DISCRETE sense 1) or not the same : SEPARATE

Definition of DISTINCT

I find it interesting that the word Godhead is only used in 3 verses in scripture...

(Acts 17:29)(Romans 1:20)(Colossians 2:9)

...and if you do a word study on it in the Hebrew and Greek, not only does there seem to be no word that directly translates it in either language, but it is also always in the singular form.

Just a noteworthy observation.

 

[theQuestioneer]

At least THIS topic isn't being censored...yet...

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Actually, the Webster's definition for Distinct means Separate.

Definition of DISTINCT

I find it interesting that the word Godhead is only used in 3 verses in scripture...

(Acts 17:29)(Romans 1:20)(Colossians 2:9)

...and if you do a word study on it in the Hebrew and Greek, not only does there seem to be no word that directly translates it in either language, but it is also always in the singular form.

Just a noteworthy observation.

"distinct", because they are not "identical" as Persons. To say the are "separate", would mean that their "essence" is different, as the heretic Origen taught

 

[theQuestioneer]

Catholics have the Monopoly of terms causing absolute confusion about the scripture, creating in the mind imaginary things!
And the "Protestants" took much of that with them.

THINK!
The Bible describes God as ONE. Churchianity has him 'Three-in-One'.
The Bible describes God as Almighty. Churchianity as 'Three Co-Equal' ('Co-Almighty').
The Bible describes God as creating Adam as living soul. Churchianity has Him putting a "Immortal Soul" in him.
The Bible describes God saying they would DIE. Churchianity has them going to Heaven or Hellfire.
The Bible describes God send his only-begotten son. Churchianity has Him/Them coming himself/theirselves.
The Bible describes Jesus as dying. Churchianity him LIVING those 3 days.

And, there is MUCH much more.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Catholics have the Monopoly of terms causing absolute confusion about the scripture, creating in the mind imaginary things!
And the "Protestants" took much of that with them.

THINK!
The Bible describes God as ONE. Churchianity has him 'Three-in-One'.
The Bible describes God as Almighty. Churchianity as 'Three Co-Equal' ('Co-Almighty').
The Bible describes God as creating Adam as living soul. Churchianity has Him putting a "Immortal Soul" in him.
The Bible describes God saying they would DIE. Churchianity has them going to Heaven or Hellfire.
The Bible describes God send his only-begotten son. Churchianity has Him/Them coming himself/theirselves.
The Bible describes Jesus as dying. Churchianity him LIVING those 3 days.

And, there is MUCH much more.

The Bible that you use is teaching you LIES

 

[Wrangler]

their "essence" is different

Yes, there essence most certainly is different. Jesus is flesh who died. God is Spirit who does not change ... the more you know ...

 

[GEN2REV]

"distinct", because they are not "identical" as Persons. To say the are "separate", would mean that their "essence" is different, as the heretic Origen taught

I agree with you there.

Unfortunately, the problem is that the Catholic Church ITSELF defines them AS Separate and states so clearly in their own documentation.

Trinity/Godhead

Catholic Doctrine

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes the Trinity as the following: “The mystery of the one God in three Persons ..."

"God can reveal himself as three separate beings (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) while still being God in “one essence, ..."
Trinity Godhead Catholic LDS Christianity | Catholic Roots Mormon Harvest

That is the biggest problem with this doctrine for me, among other things.

 

[theQuestioneer]

The Bible that you use is teaching you LIES

Name one.
Again~

The Bible describes God as ONE. Churchianity has him 'Three-in-One'.
The Bible describes God as Almighty. Churchianity as 'Three Co-Equal' ('Co-Almighty').
The Bible describes God as creating Adam as living soul. Churchianity has Him putting a "Immortal Soul" in him.
The Bible describes God saying they would DIE. Churchianity has them going to Heaven or Hellfire.
The Bible describes God send his only-begotten son. Churchianity has Him/Them coming himself/theirselves.
The Bible describes Jesus as dying. Churchianity him LIVING those 3 days.

 

[Wrangler]

Separating personhood from being is a Catholic invention.

It is no mystery. It is nonsense.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Separating personhood from being is a Catholic invention.

It is no mystery. It is nonsense.

You are still spouting your rubbish on here

 

[theQuestioneer]

Answering no questions while shouting "RUBBISH"....

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Answering no questions while shouting "RUBBISH"....

You are blind to the Truth as taught in the Bible so no one here can help you

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Name one.
Again~

The Bible describes God as ONE. Churchianity has him 'Three-in-One'.
The Bible describes God as Almighty. Churchianity as 'Three Co-Equal' ('Co-Almighty').
The Bible describes God as creating Adam as living soul. Churchianity has Him putting a "Immortal Soul" in him.
The Bible describes God saying they would DIE. Churchianity has them going to Heaven or Hellfire.
The Bible describes God send his only-begotten son. Churchianity has Him/Them coming himself/theirselves.
The Bible describes Jesus as dying. Churchianity him LIVING those 3 days.

You are not really interested in knowing what the Bible actually says because it will prove what you believe to be heresy

 

[Wrangler]

You are blind to the Truth as taught in the Bible so no one here can help you

The trinitarian delusion. The truth is the trinity is not in the Bible. It is so important, in 66 books, it is not mentioned or explicitly taught once. Saddest part is trinitarians cannot even admit it.

 

[Wrangler]

You are not really interested in knowing what the Bible actually says because it will prove what you believe to be heresy

LOL You are really only interested in imposing your trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text.

 

[theQuestioneer]

Like a child calling names...

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Like a child calling names...

Yes you are

 

[theQuestioneer]

Prov 4:19- The way of the wicked is like deep darkness; they do not know over what they stumble.