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John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. *What happened to baptism?Faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
@mailmandan John 3.16 is so simple; and yet so profound....John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. *What happened to baptism?
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized shall be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 8:36 - Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” *Water baptism "follows" believing unto salvation.
John 20:31 - but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. *What happened to baptism?
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. *What happened to baptism?
It’s right there! Belief in Him, His words such as Mk 16:16 and Matt 28:19
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized shall be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
no!
Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!
It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?
So don’t negate the word of God or Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by “faith alone”! Rom 13:11
Or that we died with Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we put in Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we are in the church by “faith alone”!
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 8:36 - Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” *Water baptism "follows" believing unto salvation.
no both are required and it’s justification then a whole life of sanctification then salvation when we die in sanctifying grace Matt 24:13
John 20:31 - but these are
Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!
It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?
So don’t negate the word of God or Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by “faith alone”! Rom 13:11
Or that we died with Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we put in Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we are in the church by “faith alone”!
, and that believing you may have life in His name. *What happened to baptism?
I do believe all God revealed. I just don't believe your misinterpretation of scripture or Roman Catholic heresy.you have to believe all God revealed!
The Bible clearly states in many passages of scripture that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8; 2 Timothy 3:15; Philippians 3:9; 1 John 5:13 etc..). Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus baptism? Plus works? NO. So then it's faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE.The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?
That's not the context of Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus in John chapter 3.Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”John 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)
John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)
Jesus said born of water and the Spirit and not born of baptism and the Spirit. Elsewhere, what does the Bible say about water in regards to becoming born again and receiving eternal life? In John 4:10, Jesus said, "..If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In verse 14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life." *Jesus connects this living water with everlasting life and living water is not water baptism.John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)
By the time you get all the way down to verse 22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing.. You are getting out of context. So why did you conveniently skip over John 3:14-18 and end up all the way down to verse 22? Because you needed to accommodate your biased church doctrine.John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. (Baptism/water)
Out of context again.John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
False. That is Roman Catholic heresy.Born again means Baptismal regeneration!
I do believe all God revealed. I just don't believe your misinterpretation of scripture or Roman Catholic heresy.
The Bible clearly states in many passages of scripture that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8; 2 Timothy 3:15; Philippians 3:9; 1 John 5:13 etc..). Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus baptism? Plus works? NO. So then it's faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE.
In regards to James 2:24, how about a little context. In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. *So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)
*So James is talking about an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. Not to be confused with authentic faith that trusts in Jesus Christ "alone" for salvation and not in works. (Romans 4:5-6) Authentic faith that is alive in Christ does not remain alone in producing good works AFTER one has been saved by grace through faith. (Ephesians 2:5-10)
That's not the context of Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus in John chapter 3.
Jesus said born of water and the Spirit and not born of baptism and the Spirit. Elsewhere, what does the Bible say about water in regards to becoming born again and receiving eternal life? In John 4:10, Jesus said, "..If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In verse 14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life." *Jesus connects this living water with everlasting life and living water is not water baptism.
In John 7:37, we read - On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. *I also find it interesting that in 1 Corinthians 12:13, the apostle Paul says, "drink into one Spirit."
If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If that sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.
In Scripture we also see that "water" is used as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the miracle of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)
*So to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted
By the time you get all the way down to verse 22, Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing.. You are getting out of context. So why did you conveniently skip over John 3:14-18 and end up all the way down to verse 22? Because you needed to accommodate your biased church doctrine.
Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus leads us right into John 3:14-18. Let's read it together - "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Out of context again.
False. That is Roman Catholic heresy.
What a lot of profound truth there is in John 3.16!
The verse combines a simple Gospel presentation with deep theology.
@Marilyn C Good verse linkage there; thank-you.Hi farouk,
Yes the key to God`s heart. Then I do like the big picture of God`s purpose through Christ -
`And He made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the time He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth - in Him.` (Eph.1: 9 & 10)
@Marilyn C So do you have a 'favorite' Bible verse?