John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

1 COR 15:28 makes explicitly clear that when it says every thing under Jesus, God is the exception.



God = YHWH.

The meaning of lord is master, someone you hold allegience to. There are dozens of lords in Scripture but only one true God, Jesus' God.

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 And the Eternal Reign of Jesus Christ

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

1 COR 15:28 makes explicitly clear that when it says every thing under Jesus, God is the exception.



God = YHWH.

The meaning of lord is master, someone you hold allegience to. There are dozens of lords in Scripture but only one true God, Jesus' God.

Yahweh Says to Adoni

 

[RLT63]

1 COR 15:28 makes explicitly clear that when it says every thing under Jesus, God is the exception.



God = YHWH.

The meaning of lord is master, someone you hold allegience to. There are dozens of lords in Scripture but only one true God, Jesus' God.

When it says every knee shall bow and every tongue confess I don't think that is voluntary, what I mean is it will apply to everyone.

 

[Angelina]

Does the Holy Spirit know?

1 Corinthians 2:9-10

 

[BeyondET]

1 Corinthians 2:9-10

So yea the Holy Spirit knows.

 

[Wrangler]

When it says every knee shall bow and every tongue confess I don't think that is voluntary, what I mean is it will apply to everyone.

Are you ignoring the explicit Scripture of 1 Cor 15:23-28 the makes God - in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature - an exception to who is under Jesus’ authority?

It is precisely such juxtapositions of Jesus from God - in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature that repeatedly make clear they are not the same Being and Jesus is not part of the Supreme Being in a literal sense. Otherwise, there would be no such verses.

 

[Wrangler]

There is NO WAY that Revelation 5.13-14 can mean anything other than God the Father as COEQUAL with Jesus Christ

See above comments above regarding 1 Cor 15:23-28.

 

[RLT63]

Are you ignoring the explicit Scripture of 1 Cor 15:23-28 the makes God - in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature - an exception to who is under Jesus’ authority?

It is precisely such juxtapositions of Jesus from God - in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature that repeatedly make clear they are not the same Being and Jesus is not part of the Supreme Being in a literal sense. Otherwise, there would be no such verses.

I never said The Father would bow to Jesus or be under his authority.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Jesus said that God the Father is Spirit, but the Holy Spirit has limitations imposed upon Him (if I'm understanding Christ). Jesus said that He, the Holy Spirit, is One like Him, but takes of what is His (Christ's) and gives it to us and that all that is the Father’s is His. I think that this covers the trinity pretty clearly. In that relationship, the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Lord, yet Jesus is called the Son of God because he was begotten of the Holy Spirit. This order of subordination of Spirit to Son to Father is functional in each having their own role or purpose (if you can say that of God), but Jesus acknowledged that the Father is greater than Him if for no other reason than Jesus taking on the limitations of the "Son of Man" and suffering temptation. It is impossible that the Father suffer temptation as He can do whatever He wills.
I believe that the Holy Spirit is the Father, but with the imposed limitation of interacting with us in time. Time is part of creation, but the Father exists apart from creation in eternity. How can He who exists outside of His creation, interact with that creation except by taking on the limitations of creation and entering it in the person of His Son and His Holy Spirit?

The Trinity is not nearly as complicated as people imagine when you understand that time is part of creation and this truth is revealed in the very first chapter of genesis, when the Lord created the first day. How could there be time without the first night and the first day? I would think that the Revelation of God would be utterly impossible if there were no Trinity (if you hold scripture to be true.)
The problem is that the carnal mind remains "veiled" to scripture until the Holy Spirit lifts the veil and allows us to see His Christ.

I think also that one can understand the trinity as being Source, Word and Power unified in the same action.

 

[farouk]

When it says every knee shall bow and every tongue confess I don't think that is voluntary, what I mean is it will apply to everyone.

Philippians 2.........

 

[Wrangler]

I never said The Father would bow to Jesus or be under his authority.

No sir! Don't be intellectually dishonest.

The text does not say 'the Father' but God in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature. The text says God - in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature - is not under Jesus' authority.

And the text does not say God is not under Jesus' authority but an exception to everything being under Jesus' authority BECAUSE God in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature gave Jesus his authority. Not equal, not co-equal. Not trinitarian supporting text.

Have you ever considered what set of words would go against the trinity? Be honest. If you do not allow for rejection criteria, you are not really approaching the subject with objective analysis.

 

[RLT63]

No sir! Don't be intellectually dishonest.

The text does not say 'the Father' but God in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature. The text says God - in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature - is not under Jesus' authority.

And the text does not say God is not under Jesus' authority but an exception to everything being under Jesus' authority BECAUSE God in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature gave Jesus his authority. Not equal, not co-equal. Not trinitarian supporting text.

Have you ever considered what set of words would go against the trinity? Be honest. If you do not allow for rejection criteria, you are not really approaching the subject with objective analysis.

When John said No man has seen God how could he say that when God spoke to Moses face to face and God visited Abraham?

 

[michaelvpardo]

The King James Bible is all I use.

No god-man in there…

I'll pray that the Lord fixes your eyes.

 

[Wrangler]

When John said No man has seen God how could he say that when God spoke to Moses face to face and God visited Abraham?

No man has seen God = literal

God spoke to Moses face to face = figurative.

When we say today, "we saw eye to eye" it is a figure of speech.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Did God convict that one,anyone, who states Jesus was not God? When they already profess to know God.

I'm not sure that I understand the question, but maybe chapter 5 of the book of Zechariah will answer it. It gives a vision of a flying scroll that expels all perjurers, liars, and those who swear falsely in God's name.

 

[RLT63]

No man has seen God = literal

God spoke to Moses face to face = figurative.

When we say today, "we saw eye to eye" it is a figure of speech.

So Moses didn't see anyone when he met with God? Abraham didn't either?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

See above comments above regarding 1 Cor 15:23-28.

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 And the Eternal Reign of Jesus Christ

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

No man has seen God = literal

God spoke to Moses face to face = figurative.

When we say today, "we saw eye to eye" it is a figure of speech.

More RUBBISH

Just because you don't like what the Bible teaches , that Moses actually SAW and SPOKE with Yahweh, you TWIST its meaning to be "figurative"!. Typical corrupting of the Bible.

God No One Has Seen At Any Time

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So Moses didn't see anyone when he met with God? Abraham didn't either?

Moses actually SAW and SPOKE with Yahweh

God is not temporal.

He is eternal.

“While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

So no.

No one has seen the eternal God literally.

@Wrangler is correct in his analysis.

 

[Wrangler]

So Moses didn't see anyone when he met with God? Abraham didn't either?

You have to stop trying to make Scripture and me say what is not being said.

By figuratively meeting Moses face to face, I did not mean they did not meet. Rather, God being Spirit does not have a body which includes a face. Of course, God who is Spirit met with Moses and Abraham and/or send Angels, Elohim, heavenly beings to convey his message, as he did with the prophets. Both prophets, like Jesus, and angels speak the word of God. It does not make them God.