John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Yet, you continue to draw ludicrous conclusions while denying there actually is no Scripture that states what you claim. There is no Scripture that states 'Jesus Christ IS YHWH' or 'Jesus is eternally Almighty God.' The simple reason for this is because Jesus is not anyone but a servant of YHWH, our Father, Anointed by YHWH as the Son of God (which is emphatically NOT God the Son), meaning YHWH gave his servant all authority in heaven and Earth.

While we can admit a verse here or there COULD be interpretted the trinitarian way, you deny there are more valid, non-trinitarian ways to interpret unitarian text. It is highly peculiar that a story about apples, that the author says is about apples, is said to provide the basis to claim it is a story about oranges. The Sh'ma clearly states God is 1, not 3-in-1.

The 1C says to have no other gods (including the trinitarian god) before me (singular). And this begs the question of what is Biblically more important:
A. 1 Timothy 1:17 (NLT) All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He (singular) is the eternal King, the unseen one (singular) who never dies (proving he is not Jesus, who died); he (singular) alone (singular) is God. Amen. (emphasis added)
B. Divide glory, even among God’s servants (explicitly stated to include Jesus @ Acts 3:13)?

Here is a very simple but clear verse that says Jesus Christ is 100% COEQUAL with the Father and therefore Almighty God

John 5:23 that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn't honor the Son doesn't honor the Father who sent him.

No one who is not absolutely COEQUAL with God the Father can ever say what Jesus says here

End of

 

[Michiah-Imla]

COEQUAL

unbiblical

Yes, I agree.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

There are Christians and there are christians

Is that what the Bible says?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Is that what the Bible says?

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Yes, I agree.

Neither you nor those who have the same views as you, have been able to honestly show that this verse does not teach that Jesus Christ is clear that He is absolutely COEQUAL with the Father

Now show that this is not the case

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

Precisely.
There are only Christians.
Or,unbelievers.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Precisely.
There are only Christians.
Or,unbelievers.

There are many who say Lord Lord who are professing "Christians", but they actually deny what the Bible actually teaches especially on God

The Jehovahs Witnesses call themselves christian as do Mormons, etc but they are not

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Neither you nor those who have the same views as you, have been able to honestly show that this verse does not teach that Jesus Christ is clear that He is absolutely COEQUAL with the Father

You want me to “honestly” show that this verse DOESN’T teach what it DOESN’T teach?

 

[RLT63]

Sorry, no Jewish encyclopedia is enough proof. Go FIND the Acrostic written in God's Word.


For those not aware of what an 'acrostic' is, here's a basic definition...

"A poem, word puzzle, or other composition in which certain letters in each line form a word or words." (from Oxford Reference)

God's Name is hidden as an acrostic in The Old Testament. And because of the POMPOUS attitude of those who 'THINK' they know here, I will not divulge just which Old Testament Book is where the acrostic appears. But I will say this, it is in an Old Testament Book where His Name is not mentioned in the outward text of the Book. There is only 1 Old Testament Book where God is not mentioned in Scripture reading. I will even go so far as to say it is a post-captivity Book. So even though God is not mentioned in the Scripture reading, because of Judah's rebelliousness against Him and thus He sent them into captivity to Babylon, He still included His Name in an acrostic within the Book.

I don't think God intended for us to have to use a secret decoder ring to figure out His name.

 

[Wrangler]

You continue to argue your unbiblical nonsense on here even though I have shown MANY TIMES that you are WRONG

No. You keep demanding dubious, trintarian tactic of imposing your doctrine onto unitarian text. Not the same thing.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

You want me to “honestly” show that this verse DOESN’T teach what it DOESN’T teach?

Yeah have a go

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

No. You keep demanding dubious, trintarian tactic of imposing your doctrine onto unitarian text. Not the same thing.

Take a look at my personal study site

trinitystudies.org

 

[Wrangler]

Here is a very simple but clear verse that says Jesus Christ is 100% COEQUAL with the Father and therefore Almighty God

John 5:23 that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn't honor the Son doesn't honor the Father who sent him.

No one who is not absolutely COEQUAL with God the Father can ever say what Jesus says here

End of

Totally foolish interpretation. Just because we honor people does not mean we do not also honor God. For instance, we have (had) holiday's for Washington, Lincoln, Columbus and MLK Jr. This does not make them God.

 

[RLT63]

Totally foolish interpretation. Just because we honor people does not mean we do not also honor God. For instance, we have (had) holiday's for Washington, Lincoln, Columbus and MLK Jr. This does not make them God.

Do we honor them even as we honor the Father?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Totally foolish interpretation. Just because we honor people does not mean we do not also honor God. For instance, we have (had) holiday's for Washington, Lincoln, Columbus and MLK Jr. This does not make them God.

look at the exact words of Jesus Christ here, and not what you want it to say.

Jesus says that to Honor Him, is to Honor the Father, and not to Honor Him, is not to Honor the Father.

Now, show ONE person in the entire 66 Books of the Holy Bible, that can say this? Name just ONE person who you know of in the entire history of this world, who can say, "Honor me in the same way (just as) you honor God, because if you don't honor me, then you cannot Honor God"???

ANY human being that said this, would be rightly called a blasphemer and a lunatic!

This verse alone is beyond any doubt one of the strongest on the absolute, essential unity of Jesus Christ and the Father, and their complete coequality.

There is no way that this verse can be understood in any other way!

I challenge anyone on here to try

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Totally foolish interpretation. Just because we honor people does not mean we do not also honor God. For instance, we have (had) holiday's for Washington, Lincoln, Columbus and MLK Jr. This does not make them God.

What Jesus says in John 5:23, is exactly what we read in Revelation chapter 5;

"And ALL of the Creation, which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things that are in them, heard I saying, to Him Who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be "ALL The Blessing, and ALL The Honor, and ALL The Glory, and ALL The Might, for ever and ever. And the four living creatures said, Amen. And the elders fell down and worshiped." (verses, 13-14, so emphasized in the Greek)

Here it is very clear, that, “ALL The Blessing, and ALL The Honor, and ALL The Glory, and ALL The Might”, that is for “Him Who Sits on the Throne”, here being God the Father, is EQUALLY for “the Lamb”, Who is Jesus Christ. The Greek conjunction, “kai (and)”, is used to denote “equality and sameness”. Note in this passage, where we read, “to kratos”, which is also translated in the NWT, as “the might”, means, ALL the Might that there is. It can hardly mean, that only “some”, or the “majority” of Mighty belongs to “Him Who Sits on the Throne”, but must mean, “ALL-MIGHTY”. This, and the rest, ALSO is true of Jesus Christ. And, BOTH the Father and Jesus Christ are here WORSHIPPED. This passage is the best description as to what WORSHIP of God really is, “ALL The Blessing, and ALL The Honour, and ALL The Glory, and ALL The Might”. ALL The BLESSINGS in this world, ALL The HONOUR in this world, ALL The GLORY in this world, and ALL The MIGHT in this world, belongs to God the Father, and God the Son.

ONLY if Jesus Christ is 100% Almighty God, can He be given the SAME BLESSINGS, and HONOUR, and GLORY, and MIGHT, as the Father! And then be WORSHIPED WITH the Father, as YHWH!

Note the emphasis in the Greek, where "THE" is used to denote "ALL THAT THERE EVER IS AND CAN BE". When we read, "ALL THE MIGHT", this makes Jesus Christ ALMIGHTY GOD, in the SAME WAY as the Father is ALMIGHTY GOD. There can be NO difference here!

 

[Wrangler]

Here it is very clear, that, “ALL The Blessing, and ALL The Honor, and ALL The Glory, and ALL The Might”, that is for “Him Who Sits on the Throne”, here being God the Father, is EQUALLY for “the Lamb”, Who is Jesus Christ.

Here is the problem. One does not define equality if 2 things are equal in 1 way but in every way.

Only YHWH, the Father, is God. Only Jesus is THE Son of God, resurrected into a glorified body so far. The Father never dies. Jesus died. Not equal.

 

[RLT63]

Totally foolish interpretation. Just because we honor people does not mean we do not also honor God. For instance, we have (had) holiday's for Washington, Lincoln, Columbus and MLK Jr. This does not make them God.

Phl 2:5

¶
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phl 2:6

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phl 2:11

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

What is the meaning of lord and God?


Lord is a reference to God or Jesus. An example of Lord is how a Christian would refer to God when speaking out loud during prayer.

 

[Wrangler]

Phl 2:9

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phl 2:11

1 COR 15:28 makes explicitly clear that when it says every thing under Jesus, God is the exception.

What is the meaning of lord and God?

God = YHWH.

The meaning of lord is master, someone you hold allegience to. There are dozens of lords in Scripture but only one true God, Jesus' God.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Here is the problem. One does not define equality if 2 things are equal in 1 way but in every way.

Only YHWH, the Father, is God. Only Jesus is THE Son of God, resurrected into a glorified body so far. The Father never dies. Jesus died. Not equal.

Yeah more of your own twist on what the Bible actually says.

There is NO WAY that Revelation 5.13-14 can mean anything other than God the Father as COEQUAL with Jesus Christ

What ascribed to the Father is EQUALLY ascribed to Jesus Christ. How can Jesus be a creature and be GLORIFIED with the Father. And HONOURED with the Father and PRAISED with the Father. And have equal MIGHT with the Father?

Explain that