Keeping the Sabbath tells people Who you Worship

[BlessedPeace]

This is interesting. I thought of those who insist God's Sabbath he made for us, as well as his 10 commandments no longer hold for Christians.

This is a Romans account of Jesus back in 1st century.

Pliny the Younger (A.D. 62-11)

The writings of a Roman governor in Asia Minor, Pliny the Younger, establish that early Christians worshiped Jesus as a god. Here he is, summing up what he learned after interrogating Christians:

They (Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food, but of an ordinary and innocent kind... (Epistles 10.96).

 

[BlessedPeace]

Wow.
That's a remarkable observation!
Impressive work. Thanks.

Genesis 2:2-3 NIV
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;
so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy,
because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

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Genesis 1 describes God creating light,darkness,etc..
Therefore,on the 7th day there was night,day,darkness,light.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

10 commandments no longer hold for Christians.

No, 9 of the 10 are in the New Covenant as commandments.... but how we observe the sabbath is no longer a carnal effort done as a work to earn right standing with the Lord under the New Covenant as it was in the old covenant.

The Book of Hebrews tells us how the sabbath of kept under the New Covenant and it's not just a carnal work done on Saturday as some have been deceived in to believing which is not what the New Covenant teaches.

The Saturday peoples can never overcome the Counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15 where the Lord did NOT lead them to include observing Saturday sabbath... unless the Saturday peoples want to claim the Apostles were being led by devils in the Book of Acts and not being led by the Lord.

If they say the Apostles were being led by the Lord at the the Counsel of Jerusalem, then they must accept the Apostles teachings as being from the Lord.... and accept observing Saturday sabbath is not applicable under the New Covenant.

But, if they don't accept the Apostles teachings as being from the Lord at the Counsel of Jerusalem then the Saturday peoples must concede that they believe the Apostles were listening to devils which is why they did not teach the people about observing Saturday sabbath.

The Saturday peoples apparently do believe the Apostles in the Book of Acts were being led by devils.

 

[Ziggy]

Genesis 1 describes God creating light,darkness,etc..
Therefore,on the 7th day there was night,day,darkness,light.

Hugs

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:

Wow.
That's a remarkable observation!
Impressive work. Thanks.

Genesis 2:2-3 NIV
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;
so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy,
because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Genesis 1 describes God creating light,darkness,etc..
Therefore,on the 7th day there was night,day,darkness,light.

In the physical sense, yes.

But it is interesting that the 7th day in the creation week
differs in that there is no PHYSICAL parameters given as in
ALL the days of the creation week BEFORE rest.
(note: the 7th days was NOT a day of creation, but rest)

This begs the question about whether the reference to
the 7th day is spiritual rather then physical. Because it was not
a "day" of creation. It was rest that concluded six days of creation.

Was there an 8th day? Or any reference to week two after the creation week?
(the 8th day comes up later in reference to circumcision, feast marker (?) and Sunday)
The early church tied Jesus' resurrection day to the Sabbath by calling it the 8th day. ???

Anyway... sorry for the rant. - LOL

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[Behold]

The weekly Sabbath tells people who you worship and why because the 4th commandment says:

Keeping the sabbath (shabbat) is what unsaved Jews worry about, who have rejected Christ.

And its what carnal Legalists worry about, because they dont yet understand The Grace of God that is the Cross of Christ.

Are they born again? Well, time will tell.

They also don't understand that....

"Christ is the END... OF....THE...LAW for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes". = all Born again CHRISTians.

And if you try to tell a Commandment worshiping heretic that there is "No Moses Law, or 10 Commandments in Heaven" and all the born again are "seated in Heavenly Places".."IN CHRIST right now" .= "not under the law, but Under Grace".. then you have just spoken Chinese to a Horse.

 

[Ziggy]

St. SteVen said:

Wow.
That's a remarkable observation!
Impressive work. Thanks.

Genesis 2:2-3 NIV
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;
so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy,
because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

In the physical sense, yes.

But it is interesting that the 7th day in the creation week
differs in that there is no PHYSICAL parameters given as in
ALL the days of the creation week BEFORE rest.
(note: the 7th days was NOT a day of creation, but rest)

This begs the question about whether the reference to
the 7th day is spiritual rather then physical. Because it was not
a "day" of creation. It was rest that concluded six days of creation.

Was there an 8th day? Or any reference to week two after the creation week?
(the 8th day comes up later in reference to circumcision, feast marker (?) and Sunday)
The early church tied Jesus' resurrection day to the Sabbath by calling it the 8th day. ???

Anyway... sorry for the rant. - LOL

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So what is circumcision? It is a cutting off.
Removing the stoney heart and replacing it with a heart of flesh.
Blind and deaf being given sight and sound.

It is a double edged sword.
It can cut both ways. It is the last day but it is also the first day.

God created Light and he called the Light Day. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
I am Alpha and Omega the first and the last.

On the first day of the week Jesus rose from the dead.
Jhn 7:37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Where did Jesus go between the last day and the first day?

Luk 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Psa 31:5
Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

Ecc 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

hugs

 

[Grailhunter]

A little background on early Christianity.

As with the scriptures and also with history….circumstances and the timeline and sequence of events and eras confound a lot of people, ya got to keep it straight because if you don’t it gets confusing.

The era of the biblical period was a transitional period and like all of history things did not change like flipping a switch. From the start of Christ’s ministry to essentially the end of the 1st century the scriptures record the start of Christianity, around 70 years. To say that it was volatile is an understatement. The first Christians, the Apostles were Jewish-Christians and they had a strained relationship with the Jews. And after the Apostle Paul started his ministry to the Gentiles the Jewish-Christians had issues with Paul and the Gentile-Christians. At the same time the Romans were persecuting the Jews, the Jewish-Christians, and the Gentile-Christians.

In this thread we are insisting that the Old Testament Laws and customs do not apply to Christianity. Then again there is always a BUT…..

The Apostles were Jewish and for what we know of them they were practicing a form of Jewish Christianity ….and even at that we do not know exactly how they were doing that. It appears that the Jewish-Christians were still observing the Jewish Saturday Sabbath and at least some of the Laws and customs of the Old Testament. Laws like circumcision. Circumcision is a big deal because it is like baptism in Christianity, it is the ritual entry into the religion. The Jewish-Christian position was that you had to be indoctrinated into the Jewish religion first to be a Christian. The Apostle Paul’s ministry challenged that.

The Jews were still practicing polygamy and concubinage….We do not have a good read read in the scriptures if the Jewish-Christians and Gentile-Christians were practicing polygamy and concubinage but Paul stipulated that a church leader had to be the husband of one wife. 1st Timothy 3:2

All of the Apostles were Jews and Christ was a Jew and apparently the Apostle Paul was the most educated Jew of the bunch.....Apostles. And during Christ’s ministry they were still in the Old Covenant and required to observe the Mosaic Laws. And for the Jewish-Christians not a lot changed after the cross and resurrection except there was path to Heaven….Salvation. In one way or another the Jewish-Christians were observing the Mosaic Law….but to what extent we do not exactly know, but it was different enough that the Jews took exception to them and felt that their belief in Yeshua as a God was Idolatry. In the beginning the Jewish-Christians were attempting to convert the Jews….and the Jews took exception to this also. So the Jewish-Christians met resistance to this and were only having minimal success.

The conversion of Paul is a story in itself. He initially joins in with the Jewish-Apostles with their attempt to convert Jews but when this becomes too hostile he turns to the Gentiles…..And when they resisted and blasphemed, he shook out his garments and said to them, “Your blood be upon your own heads! I am clean. From now on I shall go to the Gentiles.” Acts 18:6

Did Christ intend for Paul to start a ministry to the Gentiles? .... But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; Acts 9:15

Did Yeshua tell Paul to start a ministry to the Gentiles? ... And He said to me, ‘Go! For I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’” Acts 22:21

Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. “For so the Lord has commanded us, ‘I HAVE PLACED YOU AS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THAT YOU MAY BRING SALVATION TO THE END OF THE EARTH.’” Acts 13:46&47

Unworthy of eternal life….Paul’s ministry taught that Christians were not under Law and Gentile-Christians did not observe the Mosaic Law….that is the Laws and customs of the Old Testament. The Jews and the Jewish-Christians took exception to this. Eventually Peter joins Paul’s ministry. . The scriptures below outlines the hostilities between the Jews and Jewish-Christians and Paul’s ministries. Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” Acts 15:5 This is where the term Judaizers comes from.

Eventually Paul, Peter, and Barnabas confront the Jewish-Christians at a meeting in Jerusalem. Acts 15:6-41 and the ruling was…. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Acts 15:28-29

So the Gentile-Christians did not observe the Mosaic Laws nor the Saturday Jewish Sabbath….the Gentile-Christians were not allowed in the Temple anyway. Keep in mind that the Gentile-Christians were worshipping in hiding. They worshipped in catacombs and out in the wilderness and eventually in house churches so as not to be harassed by the Jews or the Romans.

As it turn out the Gentiles-Christian sect is the sect that survives. The Jewish-Christian sect dies out shortly after the destruction of the Temple by the Romans in 70 AD. Shortly after….No one knows exactly when they ceased to exist but no Jewish-Christian writings exist after the 1st century. The Gentile-Christians take the helm of the Church and designate Sunday as the Christian day of worship and rest….Called the Lord’s Day in reference to Christ’s resurrection. And these are the beliefs that we have today.

So this is why there is opposition to the claim that Christians should observe the Saturday Jewish Sabbath in this thread.


Act 7:57-58 The martyrdom of Stephen
57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

Act 8:1-3
On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. 2 Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him. 3 But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison.

Act 13:44-52
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: “‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’” 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. 49 The word of the Lord spread through the whole region. 50 But the Jewish leaders incited the God-fearing women of high standing and the leading men of the city. They stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51 So they shook the dust off their feet as a warning to them and went to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

Acts 14:1-7
At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed. 2 But the Jews who refused to believe stirred up the other Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers. 3 So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders. 4 The people of the city were divided; some sided with the Jews, others with the apostles. 5 There was a plot afoot among both Gentiles and Jews, together with their leaders, to mistreat them and stone them. 6 But they found out about it and fled to the Lycaonian cities of Lystra and Derbe and to the surrounding country, 7 where they continued to preach the gospel.

Acts 14:19=20
19 Then some Jews came from Antioch and Iconium and won the crowd over. They stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, thinking he was dead. 20 But after the disciples had gathered around him, he got up and went back into the city. The next day he and Barnabas left for Derbe.

Act 15:5
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Act 15:5
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

Go ahead and finish the story about how the Apostle got together in Acts 15 at the Counsel of Jerusalem to seek the Lord concerning

The Saturday peoples can never overcome the Counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15 where the Lord did NOT lead them to include observing Saturday sabbath... unless the Saturday peoples want to claim the Apostles were being led by devils in the Book of Acts and not being led by the Lord.

If they say the Apostles were being led by the Lord at the the Counsel of Jerusalem, then they must accept the Apostles teachings as being from the Lord.... and accept observing Saturday sabbath is not applicable under the New Covenant.

But, if they don't accept the Apostles teachings as being from the Lord at the Counsel of Jerusalem then the Saturday peoples must concede that they believe the Apostles were listening to devils which is why they did not teach the people about observing Saturday sabbath.

The Saturday peoples apparently do believe the Apostles in the Book of Acts were being led by devils.

 

[BlessedPeace]

St. SteVen said:

Wow.
That's a remarkable observation!
Impressive work. Thanks.

Genesis 2:2-3 NIV
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;
so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy,
because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

In the physical sense, yes.

But it is interesting that the 7th day in the creation week
differs in that there is no PHYSICAL parameters given as in
ALL the days of the creation week BEFORE rest.
(note: the 7th days was NOT a day of creation, but rest)

This begs the question about whether the reference to
the 7th day is spiritual rather then physical. Because it was not
a "day" of creation. It was rest that concluded six days of creation.

Was there an 8th day? Or any reference to week two after the creation week?
(the 8th day comes up later in reference to circumcision, feast marker (?) and Sunday)
The early church tied Jesus' resurrection day to the Sabbath by calling it the 8th day. ???

Anyway... sorry for the rant. - LOL

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The 7th day rest was after 6 days of creating all that is. Light,dark,earth,etc...When God was finished ,he looked on all he'd created and called it good. Then he rested on the 7th day.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Hugs

Yes, King David praised all God created in Genesis 1.

 

[Grailhunter]

Go ahead and finish the story about how the Apostle got together in Acts 15 at the Counsel of Jerusalem to seek the Lord concerning

I did and posted the scriptures.

 

[St. SteVen]

The 7th day rest was after 6 days of creating all that is. Light,dark,earth,etc...When God was finished ,he looked on all he'd created and called it good. Then he rested on the 7th day.

Still interesting that the 7th day is of unspecified length, start time and end time.
Sabbath is observed from sundown on the 6th day to sundown on the 7th day. ???

Genesis 2:2-3 NIV
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;
so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy,
because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

/

 

[BlessedPeace]

Still interesting that the 7th day is of unspecified length, start time and end time.
Sabbath is observed from sundown on the 6th day to sundown on the 7th day. ???

Genesis 2:2-3 NIV
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing;
so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy,
because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

/

Sabbath runs from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

Which is why Jesus would not have resurrected on Easter Sunday when scripture says he was in the tomb three days and three nights.

 

[Ziggy]

Yes, King David praised all God created in Genesis 1.

I figured it was easier to post the video than to copy paste the entire chapter.
It sounds better with the music too.

Hugs

 

[St. SteVen]

Which is why Jesus would not have resurrected on Easter Sunday when scripture says he was in the tomb three days and three nights.

That's very controversial.
The early church recognized the Lord's Day as the queen of days, the 8th day, the day that Jesus rose from the dead. (Sunday)

Lord's Day - Wikipedia

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[Grailhunter]

That's very controversial.
The early church recognized the Lord's Day as the queen of days, the 8th day, the day that Jesus rose from the dead. (Sunday)

Lord's Day - Wikipedia

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No what you are saying is not only very controversial....it is dead wrong.

 

[Ziggy]

Sabbath runs from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

Which is why Jesus would not have resurrected on Easter Sunday when scripture says he was in the tomb three days and three nights.

I don't understand the calendar. The Passover was kept on a numbered day not a named day. I think the 14th of Abib.
There were 30 days in a calendar month or by moon to moon.
Now we have 30 days, 31 days, and 28 days except leap year which has 29 days
So how is it good Friday always falls on Friday and Easter Sunday always falls on Sunday.

Even Christmas always falls on the 25th day. Regardless the name of the day.
And then you have the day of Atonement that falls in the seventh month.


Lev 16:29
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 16:30
For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.
Lev 16:31
It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
Lev 16:32
And the priest, whom he shall anoint, and whom he shall consecrate to minister in the priest's office in his father's stead, shall make the atonement, and shall put on the linen clothes, even the holy garments:
Lev 16:33
And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation.
Lev 16:34
And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.

Interesting:
Exo 29:33
And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger shall not eat thereof, because they are holy.

Lev 25:9
Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

Num 15:25
And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance:
Num 15:28
And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

Rom 5:6
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7
For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Calendar:
Beginning of the year:
April, May, June, July, August, September, October..... 7th month.
Still have 20 days left in it..
October, November, December, January, February, March, April ... 1st month.

1st month is April and the 7th month is October.. The Day of Atonement
Beginning in 7th month October to the 1st month is April ... the Passover.

Both of these were kept on the same day.

HOW?

I am the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega....

First Day Light, Seventh Day Rest.


Isa 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 48:12
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Rev 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Passover: Saved from the world
Day of Atonement: Saved from ourselves.

I don't "keep" any days because I can't make heads or tails out of them.
I just try to keep my eye on the grand plan.

Hugs

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday, the first day of the week.
See Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1, John 20:1

 

[Grailhunter]

Just a funny.
For centuries people have been trying to explain certain things that are not intended to be explained. Like the sons of God and Giants thing…the Do not boil a kid in it mother’s milk thing, and the three days and three not nights thing.

All these have been tripping people up for centuries and there is no general consensus even among scholars. Its funny but the three days and three nights thing is fun to listen to some of the explanations….

Some change the storyline or the days of the week but the best one was a guy that was trying to explain scientifically that the sun was revolving around the earth faster back then. Flat earth theory.