Keeping the Sabbath tells people Who you Worship

[Hobie]

The weekly Sabbath tells people who you worship and why because the 4th commandment says:

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is the only one of the ten that tells you who you are worshipping and why. Take out the 4th commandment as many seem to want, and the Ten Commandments might as well have been written by Warren Buffet or whoever is being followed these days in the investing circles.

 

[Zachariah.]

The weekly Sabbath tells people who you worship and why because the 4th commandment says:

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is the only one of the ten that tells you who you are worshipping and why. Take out the 4th commandment as many seem to want, and the Ten Commandments might as well have been written by Warren Buffet or whoever is being followed these days in the investing circles.

Didn't Jesus come to do away with the old law?

 

[Spyder]

Didn't Jesus come to do away with the old law?

While it may sound weird to some, Jesus came to fulfill the law. He gave two great commandments.

Mt 22:37–40 And Jesus said to him, ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding— this is a first and great command; and the second is like to it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself; on these—the two commands—all the law and the prophets do hang.’

Jesus also said:

Mk 2:25–28 And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”


And the Apostle Paul made claims about the old law rules, too.

Col 2:13–23 And you—being dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh—He made alive together with him, having forgiven you all the trespasses, having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross; having stripped the principalities and the authorities, he made a shew of them openly—having triumphed over them in it. Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and in worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, and not holding the head, from which all the body—through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together—may increase with the increase of God. If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? -thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle— which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body—not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Might have to let God interpret these things for you.

 

[RedFan]

Jesus also said:

Mk 2:25–28 And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

This is a bit off point from the OP, but it is noteworthy that Mark (or Jesus, if Mark's quote is accurate) got this one wrong. 1 Samuel 21:1-6 is explicit that Ahimelech, not his son Abiathar, was high priest at the time.

 

[Cassandra]

While it may sound weird to some, Jesus came to fulfill the law. He gave two great commandments.

Mt 22:37–40 And Jesus said to him, ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding— this is a first and great command; and the second is like to it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself; on these—the two commands—all the law and the prophets do hang.’

Jesus also said:

Mk 2:25–28 And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”


And the Apostle Paul made claims about the old law rules, too.

Col 2:13–23 And you—being dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh—He made alive together with him, having forgiven you all the trespasses, having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross; having stripped the principalities and the authorities, he made a shew of them openly—having triumphed over them in it. Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and in worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, and not holding the head, from which all the body—through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together—may increase with the increase of God. If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? -thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle— which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body—not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Might have to let God interpret these things for you.

The handwriting of ordinances is the ceremonial law.
God wrote the Ten Commandments with His finger into stone. Moses wrote the others. The Ten commandments are not man's law. They are God's.
Lev 19:18 “You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against any of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.”
Deut 6:5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

What Jesus said was taken directly from the Old Testament
Love the Lord--1st 4 commandments
Love thy neighbor-- 2nd 6

Bet you keep all of the other commandments.
And have you ever wondered if the Sabbath is ceremonial, why did God put a ceremonial law into the 10 Commandments?



"which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,"
Yes, it was man who changed the day, in honor of the resurrection, so they say. The only memorial Christ added was to remember His death was communion. He never asked us to remember His resurrection.

Might have to let God interpret these things for you.

 

[BarneyFife]

This is a bit off point from the OP, but it is noteworthy that Mark (or Jesus, if Mark's quote is accurate) got this one wrong. 1 Samuel 21:1-6 is explicit that Ahimelech, not his son Abiathar, was high priest at the time.

Neither the Word nor the Word made flesh is ever wrong:

The arrangement where both Abiathar and Ahimelech potentially shared high priestly duties is reminiscent of similar setups seen elsewhere in biblical history. For instance, during the time of Eli, it appears that Eli's sons participated in his priestly responsibilities. Similarly, in the era of Christ, figures like Annas and his son-in-law Caiaphas both served as high priests concurrently. This suggests a pattern of shared or overlapping roles within the priesthood, which may have been the case with Abiathar and Ahimelech as well.

Abiathar had a closer association with David compared to Ahimelech. He was present when David visited the tabernacle, survived the massacre of the priests of Nob orchestrated by Doeg the Edomite, and demonstrated his loyalty to David by providing support and assistance, including overseeing the transport of the ark of the covenant to David. Abiathar served as a high priest for an extended period during David's reign, indicating a significant bond between them.

If Abiathar is referred to by Mark as the "high priest" in anticipation of his future title, it reflects a common practice of using later titles or designations to refer to historical figures based on their future roles or achievements. This practice allows for clarity and convenience in communication, even if the specific titles were not yet held during the events being discussed, e.g. "President Eisenhower, D-Day."

The Bible is not, in the strictest, technical sense, a law book, Counselor.


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[RedFan]

The arrangement where both Abiathar and Ahimelech potentially shared high priestly duties is reminiscent of similar setups seen elsewhere in biblical history

There is no evidence that Abiathar ever shared high priestly duties with his father Ahimelech. You are positing such an arrangement to shore up your presumption of inerrancy.

Are you going to do the same thing with Matt. 23:35, which confuses two Zechariahs, the prophet Zechariah who was the son of Berechiah (Zech. 1:1) and another who was the son of Jehoiada?

Therefore I send you prophets, sages, and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town, so that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar (NRSV).

Clearly it was not Zechariah the prophet, son of Barachiah, who was killed in the court of the temple, but as 2 Chron. 24:20-22 plainly states, Zechariah the son of Jehoiada. Matthew was mistaken. (Alternatively, I suppose we could conclude that Matthew accurately quoted Jesus’ words, and it was Jesus who was mistaken. That opens a different can of worms.)

Let me suggest that inerrancy should be a conclusion drawn from the Scriptures, not an axiom by which to assess the Scriptures. Your presumptions and mental machinations to avoid these errors just seems like desperation to me. Why not just allow for some human error?

 

[Zachariah.]

While it may sound weird to some, Jesus came to fulfill the law. He gave two great commandments.

Mt 22:37–40 And Jesus said to him, ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding— this is a first and great command; and the second is like to it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself; on these—the two commands—all the law and the prophets do hang.’

Jesus also said:

Mk 2:25–28 And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”


And the Apostle Paul made claims about the old law rules, too.

Col 2:13–23 And you—being dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh—He made alive together with him, having forgiven you all the trespasses, having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross; having stripped the principalities and the authorities, he made a shew of them openly—having triumphed over them in it. Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ; let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and in worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, and not holding the head, from which all the body—through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together—may increase with the increase of God. If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? -thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle— which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body—not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Might have to let God interpret these things for you.

No, I do agree with you. It was a general question.

 

[St. SteVen]

The weekly Sabbath tells people who you worship...

What?

This is the only one of the ten that tells you who you are worshipping and why.

Why?
That's ridiculous.

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[BarneyFife]

There is no evidence that Abiathar ever shared high priestly duties with his father Ahimelech. You are positing such an arrangement to shore up your presumption of inerrancy.

Are you going to do the same thing with Matt. 23:35, which confuses two Zechariahs, the prophet Zechariah who was the son of Berechiah (Zech. 1:1) and another who was the son of Jehoiada?

Therefore I send you prophets, sages, and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town, so that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar (NRSV).

Clearly it was not Zechariah the prophet, son of Barachiah, who was killed in the court of the temple, but as 2 Chron. 24:20-22 plainly states, Zechariah the son of Jehoiada. Matthew was mistaken. (Alternatively, I suppose we could conclude that Matthew accurately quoted Jesus’ words, and it was Jesus who was mistaken. That opens a different can of worms.)

Let me suggest that inerrancy should be a conclusion drawn from the Scriptures, not an axiom by which to assess the Scriptures. Your presumptions and mental machinations to avoid these errors just seems like desperation to me. Why not just allow for some human error?

You presume an awful lot, yourself. The common, garden variety "inerrancy" schtick bores me. I simply believe that the Bible is of an admittedly challenging 100% human and 100% divine character that is safer assumed to be accurate than mistaken.

And I'd venture with some degree of safety, I suppose, that if I countered your charge of seemingly desperate "mental machinations" with one of intellectual indolence you'd think yourself ill-esteemed.

Obviously, we see Titus 3:9 in different lights—in more ways than one, perhaps.


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[St. SteVen]

Didn't Jesus come to do away with the old law?

Most certainly.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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[Zachariah.]

Most certainly.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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Yes, and we may distinguish this by acknowledging that the Law Jesus tried to show us was the law of Morality. Found within the conscience of the heart. Not on physicle stone tablets (or paper as they do it today).

 

[BarneyFife]

Yes, and we may distinguish this by acknowledging that the Law Jesus tried to show us was the law of Morality. Found within the conscience of the heart. Not on physicle stone tablets (or paper as they do it today).

The Ten Commandments aren't moral?

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[BlessedPeace]

Didn't Jesus come to do away with the old law?

No. He didn't waste his time when he established it.

He fulfilled the law. Which is to say as a "man",a divine one, he examples perfection in keeping the law.

He reiterated the moral commands that show respect for God and one another. The 4th command need not be reiterated because ,as he said,he is Lord of the Sabbath.
It is he whom bestowed it as a gift for us. And in honoring ,remembering,that day we honor him and our covenant together.

Imagine moral guidelines being abolished.
Rather than thou shalt not,it is thou shalt do whatever?

God forbid. Oh,wait! He did.

 

[BarneyFife]

Why?
That's ridiculous.

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

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[Zachariah.]

The Ten Commandments aren't moral?

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Sorry, did I say that?

 

[BarneyFife]

Sorry, did I say that?

Nah, of course not

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[BlessedPeace]

Sorry, did I say that?

Yes,yes,you did

 

[BlessedPeace]

Nah, of course not

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True.

He wrote it down.

 

[Zachariah.]

Yes,yes,you did

No, no I didn't. Please go a read it again. Properly. Without just reading what you want to hear.